The Liberal Gun Club Forum

lurker wrote: Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:59 pm that doesn't look good.

sikacz wrote: Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:06 pm

wings wrote: Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:12 pm 1. My podunk village got its first case this week.

We're all gonna die!

We are all in the process of dying pretty much after 20.

lurker wrote: Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:23 pm imo, they might as well just go ahead and cancel school for the fall at least.

lurker wrote: Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:23 pm imo, they might as well just go ahead and cancel school for the fall at least.

sikacz wrote: Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:41 pm Would be prudent to not have physical school. The biggest problematic is connectivity. The wealthy can afford it, the poor can not. Even if devices could be given to low income families they might not be able to afford the internet charges.

lurker wrote: Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:52 pm

sikacz wrote: Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:41 pm Would be prudent to not have physical school. The biggest problematic is connectivity. The wealthy can afford it, the poor can not. Even if devices could be given to low income families they might not be able to afford the internet charges.

i understand your point. if we as a nation had the political will we could deal with that, just like we could deal with people not going to work.

The growth of known coronavirus cases in Ohio is occurring across the state, with more cases being reported in the last two weeks than the two weeks before that in 62 of the 88 counties.

Overall, Ohio has added 9,779 cases in the last two weeks, according to reporting by the Ohio Department of Health. This is up 23% from 5,660 fr the the two earlier weeks ending June 16, cleveland.com found in reviewing the day-by-day reports.

Overall, 62 Ohio counties had more newly reported cases the last two weeks than in the earlier two-week period, five had the same number, and 21 had fewer.

You may think that the coronavirus and COVID-19, the disease it causes, are frightening enough. But Arizona has just activated a rulebook for rationing hospital care that is truly terrifying.

In brief, the rules allow hospitals to deny critical healthcare resources such as ventilators to patients based on medical judgments about their likelihood of living even five more years despite surviving COVID-19.

In practical terms, that means that on average, older adults are more likely to be denied care than younger persons. Those with medical conditions other than COVID-19 would be more vulnerable to denials than those judged to be healthier, whatever their age. Under the rules, doctors making triage judgments that deprive patients of necessary care will be immune from legal liability.

States other than Arizona have similar rulebooks to be dusted off in a major emergency. Arizona, however, is the only state that has activated its crisis standard of care procedures — so far.

sig230 wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:44 am Barr in a Bikini

CDFingers wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:14 am

sig230 wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:44 am Barr in a Bikini

Totally frightening.

CDFingers

YankeeTarheel wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:18 am

CDFingers wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:14 am

sig230 wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:44 am Barr in a Bikini

Totally frightening.

CDFingers

Sig230's cruel streak...now we're all stuck with that hideous image living in our heads.

YankeeTarheel wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:47 am Is it any surprise that a Republican-run state like Arizona would rather practice virtual euthanasia than spend the resources necessary to save lives?
Ducey is another stupid cold-blooded soulless ignorant jackass like Abbot, Kemp, DeSantis, and, of course, Trump.

Arizona is "the other Florida" for retirees--warm but drier, and Ducey is cutting that state's throat saying "We really don't give a shit about you retiree seniors--we just want your money!"

Gov. Gavin Newsom on Wednesday ordered tougher restrictions for much of the state, requiring 19 counties experiencing increased spread of coronavirus to halt visits to indoor restaurants, wineries and tasting rooms, entertainment centers, movie theaters, zoos, museums and card rooms.

The governor is imposing the restrictions on indoor activities in advance of the July 4 holiday weekend, when officials fear disaster if Californians continue to ignore safety guidelines and businesses remain open in areas already experiencing significant spikes in COVID-19 infections. Newsom is also recommending the cancellation of all fireworks shows on the Fourth of July in the affected counties, and is urging all Californians to rethink having large get-togethers with friends and neighbors to celebrate the holiday.

Under new standards to reverse reopening at the local level, a county is flagged and placed on the state’s watch list if it reports an elevated transmission of the disease, defined as two-week average of more than 100 cases per 100,000 residents, or more than 25 cases per 100,000 residents and a weekly average positivity rate of at least 8%. A hospitalization rate increase of an average of more than 10% over three days, or a drop in hospital capacity to fewer than 20% of beds or fewer than 25% of ventilators available could also result in a county landing on the watch list.

The governor’s mask order also faced backlash in some parts of the state almost immediately. Sheriffs in Orange, Riverside, Fresno and Sacramento counties, among others, said they would not enforce the Newsom administration’s mask order despite the fact that violating the mandate is a misdemeanor and could financial penalties.

Trump's aides debate a new virus approach as President claims it will 'disappear'

(CNN) — A divide has emerged inside President Donald Trump's inner circle over whether he should turn his attention back to the coronavirus pandemic or continue to focus on reopening the economy, sources familiar with the matter tell CNN.

As cases surge in dozens of states, Trump has remained mostly silent on the matter, focusing instead on protecting statues and stoking racial and cultural divisions. While others in his administration -- including Vice President Mike Pence -- make appeals for Americans to continue socially distancing and wear masks, Trump again suggested Wednesday the virus would "disappear."

That has led to concerns, even among some of his own aides, that Trump appears disengaged from a deadly crisis that continues to grip the nation.

Several of Trump's top aides, including chief of staff Mark Meadows and son-in-law Jared Kushner, have begun to worry about the President's chances to win reelection, advisers familiar with the matter said -- fears borne out by a steady stream of public polls showing Trump trailing his election rival, Joe Biden, by double digits. Both Meadows and Kushner have urged a focus on the economy over the public health emergency.

Some of Trump's political advisers believe he has suffered grave political damage due to the pandemic, which has caused widespread economic hurt and death. Even as Trump and others in the White House project optimism that the economy will surge closer to the election, Trump's handling of the pandemic has drawn rebukes -- particularly as cases begin to spike.

"There is a fair amount of concern," one adviser said, describing the President as "frustrated" by recent polling indicating Biden could win the November election by a wide margin.

"There is a lot of frustration," another Trump adviser said about how the President and those around him view his reelection prospects.

But the adviser said many around the President concede that Trump is often his own worst enemy.

Yet despite the clear signs of trouble, Trump and his aides appear split over whether the President should spend more time and energy in confronting the pandemic.

Trump himself suggested in an interview Wednesday the virus may take care of itself.
"I think we're going to be very good with the coronavirus. I think that at some point that's going to sort of just disappear," he said.

Meadows, Kushner and White House counselor Hope Hicks continue to recommend that Trump largely steer clear of the issue. Pence and trade adviser Peter Navarro are pushing the President to take on a more active role, warning the soaring number of cases could cause major disruptions across the country, according to one adviser as well as one other source close to the White House.

The divide inside the West Wing over the pandemic was made more apparent by Dr. Anthony Fauci's testimony before a Senate committee on Tuesday, during which the infectious diseases expert warned lawmakers that coronavirus cases could skyrocket over the coming weeks from approximately 40,000 a day to 100,000.

A separate source close to the White House described Fauci's testimony as "dropping bombs" on a disengaged Trump. Another administration official said Fauci was describing what can be seen as a "resurgence within the first wave." Trump and Fauci, who rarely speak, have frequently appeared at odds in their assessments of the crisis.

As cases began to increase again last month, the White House made a concerted effort to avoid the dramatic, national emergency-style optics that marked the first surge of coronavirus in the United States -- hoping to portray this latest surge to the public as far less alarming.

"We're pivoting away from the all four screens, nationally televised press conferences," one official said, claiming the first outbreak required more of an emergency response and public health education about how to mitigate the spread of this new virus. "Now we're at a point in the virus where we have outbreaks -- they're significant, we're monitoring them -- but we also feel like we have control over it."

The White House insisted Wednesday that Trump remains engaged on coronavirus.

"Any suggestion that the President is not working around the clock to protect the health and safety of all Americans, lead the whole-of-government response to this pandemic, including expediting vaccine development, and rebuild our economy is utterly false," White House deputy press secretary Judd Deere said.

After appearing on TV almost daily -- including on weekends -- during the earlier days of the pandemic, Trump himself has largely taken a visual backseat to the response now. His briefings on the topic eventually became venues for him to air grievances about the media and to muse about potential treatments -- including ingesting disinfectant -- which ultimately led to their demise.

Now, Trump is far more focused in private on getting the economy back up and running -- though over the past week, he has focused in meetings mainly on how to protect national monuments and statues that he believes have come to represent his ability to keep the country safe.

The race-baiting has concerned a number of Trump's allies, who believe he is harkening to a past that no longer exists -- and that most Americans have moved on from.

One major concern in recent days for the President's aides, according to the adviser who has sat in on recent White House meetings, was Trump's retweet of a video in which a Trump supporter is seen shouting "White power." The tweet was eventually deleted.

"It just sets us back worse," the adviser said about Trump's racially offensive tweets. "It makes it hard to win reelection."

"He's got to focus on what unites us and not divides us," the adviser said of the President.

Yet Trump has seemed insistent on continuing the push to protect monuments, even as the country is focused on coronavirus.

Trump has not appeared alongside public health experts in public in weeks and has made fewer remarks about the virus in public, though a senior administration official says the public messaging will begin to ramp up again next week.

The President will "lean in a bit more on public messaging" on the virus, the official said, with plans for him to highlight advancements in therapeutics and work to fulfill all requests from state governors during events next week.

California reimposes coronavirus restrictions for more than 28 million residents
His message, according to this official: "While there are outbreaks and we're tending to the needs of those outbreaks, we have the infrastructure in place to deal with them."

The White House is also planning to authorize more regular briefings at the Department of Health and Human Services by task force doctors and HHS Secretary Alex Azar, the official said.