crossbow. not a firearm. but questions

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was talking with a neighbor the other day and he showed me his kid's non-functioning bb gun. rather than offer to try to fix it, i offered him my romanian break-barrel air rifle. while we were discussing it he brought out this:
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i think dad is a prohibited person, due to some past misdeed. i believe he's put that behind him and is trying to raise his kid so he has a chance in life. i assume that since neither crossbows nor air rifles are firearms i'm not breaking any laws here?
i may yet try to fix the bb gun.
i'm retired. what's your excuse?

Re: crossbow. not a firearm. but questions

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I don't know about North Carolina, but in California anyone can buy a crossbow and walk out the store in one second. There are regs about who can hunt with one (I think only disabled, but unsure). No other regs. He's not going to get very far with that one, as it has no string. Also he'll need a cocking machine of some sort or a rope cocker. Looks like a simple spring rather than a compound. The speed would depend on what the bow part is made of. Looks fun.

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In NJ, a cross-bow, I believe, is considered a firearm:
"Firearm or firearms" means any handgun, rifle, shotgun, machine gun, assault firearm, automatic or semi-automatic rifle, or any gun, device or instrument in the nature of a weapon from which may be fired or ejected any solid projectile, ball, slug, pellet, missile or bullet, or any gas, vapor or other noxious thing, by means of a cartridge or shell or by the action of an explosive or the igniting of flammable or explosive substances. It shall also include, without limitation, any firearm which is in the nature of an air gun, spring gun or pistol or other weapon of a similar nature in which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, compressed or other gas, or vapor, air or compressed air, or is ignited by compressed air, and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person.
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YankeeTarheel wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:14 pm In NJ, a cross-bow, I believe, is considered a firearm:
"Firearm or firearms" means any handgun, rifle, shotgun, machine gun, assault firearm, automatic or semi-automatic rifle, or any gun, device or instrument in the nature of a weapon from which may be fired or ejected any solid projectile, ball, slug, pellet, missile or bullet, or any gas, vapor or other noxious thing, by means of a cartridge or shell or by the action of an explosive or the igniting of flammable or explosive substances. It shall also include, without limitation, any firearm which is in the nature of an air gun, spring gun or pistol or other weapon of a similar nature in which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, compressed or other gas, or vapor, air or compressed air, or is ignited by compressed air, and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person.
"air or compressed air, or is ignited by compressed air, and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person"

That definition seems to include spitwads and peashooters. Am I wrong?

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lurker wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:18 am next time i see him i'll ask to look at it again. maybe get a better pic.
According to the interwebs:
Yes, a crossbow would be legal. The prohibition is against ownership of a firearm by a convicted felon, and crossbows (along with certain types of antique guns like black powder muzzle=loaders) are not covered by the law or otherwise exempted.
In certain counties in North Carolina, identified by State statute, it is unlawful for any parent or guardian to knowingly permit his child under the age of 12 years to use, possess, or have custody of an air rifle, air pistol, or BB gun.1 Additionally, North Carolina prohibits any person from causing, encouraging, or aiding a minor who is less than 18 years old to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any BB gun, stun gun, air rifle, or air pistol.2 North Carolina has no other law regulating non-powder guns.
https://nccriminallaw.sog.unc.edu/air-guns/
None of these weapons are firearms, because they do not use gunpowder explosions to propel their projectiles. See G.S. 14-409.39(2) (defining a firearm as a weapon that “expels a projectile by action of an explosion”); G.S. 14-415.1 (defining a firearm as a weapon that “expel(s) a projectile by the action of an explosive”). See also G.S. 14-269.2 (prohibiting the possession of weapons on school grounds, and distinguishing between “any gun, rifle, pistol, or other firearm,” a Class I felony under subsection (b), and a “BB gun . . . air rifle, [or] air pistol,” a Class 1 misdemeanor under subsection (d)). Therefore, possession or use of these weapons cannot support charges such as possession of a firearm by a felon, G.S. 14-415.1, or assault by pointing a gun, G.S. 14-34. See In re N.T., __ N.C. App. __, 715 S.E.2d 183 (2011)
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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K9s wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:30 pm
YankeeTarheel wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:14 pm In NJ, a cross-bow, I believe, is considered a firearm:
"Firearm or firearms" means any handgun, rifle, shotgun, machine gun, assault firearm, automatic or semi-automatic rifle, or any gun, device or instrument in the nature of a weapon from which may be fired or ejected any solid projectile, ball, slug, pellet, missile or bullet, or any gas, vapor or other noxious thing, by means of a cartridge or shell or by the action of an explosive or the igniting of flammable or explosive substances. It shall also include, without limitation, any firearm which is in the nature of an air gun, spring gun or pistol or other weapon of a similar nature in which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, compressed or other gas, or vapor, air or compressed air, or is ignited by compressed air, and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person.
"air or compressed air, or is ignited by compressed air, and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person"

That definition seems to include spitwads and peashooters. Am I wrong?

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I'd like to say no, but yes, they and other things like paint-ball guns aren't considered guns. The odd thing is, the guy who built our house and lived in it for 8 or 10 years, lost his partner and older brother to a freak paint-ball accident. It hit him in the throat in exactly the wrong way, and he fell down, dead!
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Most Muzzle Loaders are not considered firearms. I knew a guy that worked for Gander Mountain (when they were still a thing), He would sell Cap and Ball revolvers all day long with out back ground checks. That said, newer models are starting to have threaded the barrels. I am told that these are serialized and if it has a serial number, it requires a back ground check.

Just throwing that into the mix.
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And while we're at it, there is a crossbow upper that will fit onto an AR15 lower
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Couple years back we had the link about a guy who tried to shoot a dog with a crossbow. Missed, killed a neighbor through the front door.

Crossbows shoot a lot like rifles. The ballistic drop is a lot more rainbow-y and a lot harder to reload, but much easier to learn than a longbow.

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