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K9s wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:25 pm Looks like the new thing to do is to use convention centers in areas with outbreaks. Our "reported' numbers are not really high, but mobile morgues and convention center hospitals make me wonder if they are holding back something.

Georgia to convert Atlanta convention center to temporary hospital
https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/georg ... VLazbRsjP/

Mobile morgues suggest Georgia’s coronavirus crisis is far from over
https://www.ajc.com/news/mobile-morgues ... pNo5oJplO/
Remember that it was thanks to Donald Trumps guidance and prescience that we will get through this crisis with the millions of deaths that science said would happen. It is because he was smart enough to guide us that we were saved from what the scientists predicted.
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sig230 wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:28 pm
K9s wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:25 pm Looks like the new thing to do is to use convention centers in areas with outbreaks. Our "reported' numbers are not really high, but mobile morgues and convention center hospitals make me wonder if they are holding back something.

Georgia to convert Atlanta convention center to temporary hospital
https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/georg ... VLazbRsjP/

Mobile morgues suggest Georgia’s coronavirus crisis is far from over
https://www.ajc.com/news/mobile-morgues ... pNo5oJplO/
Remember that it was thanks to Donald Trumps guidance and prescience that we will get through this crisis with the millions of deaths that science said would happen. It is because he was smart enough to guide us that we were saved from what the scientists predicted.
Luckily, the economy is roaring back, too. Just as Trump predicted. I cannot wait to see the unemployment statistics drop by the millions!

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45 is a fucking man-child. He needs spanked hard (upside the head).

Problem with reported numbers is we aren’t doing enough testing to know the unverified walking (and not-so walking) cases of Covid-19. That was the scandal in Italy, where people who died in their homes (among family?) rather than in hospitals (separated from family) were not tested and therefore not added to the Covid-19 death count.

The count is not accurate. All scientists and doctors admit it is undercounted due to lack of testing. The number is only a guesstimate and indicator of how much this disease is spreading and killing within the community. And it’s all because of lack of leadership to prepare with adequate test capabilities as they did in Asia. And money of course. In this case, with the entire economy shut down, this lack of leadership and investment into tests are truly the epitome of the saying, “Penny-wise but pound-foolish.”

It’s a damned scandal.
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Borris Johnson was released from the hospital today. He publicly thanked and praised the NHS doctors and nurses for saving his life from Covid-19.

45 also needs to have such a come to jesus moment. But of course the US has no socialized medicine system to heap praises upon.
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Bisbee wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:54 pm Borris Johnson was released from the hospital today. He publicly thanked and praised the NHS doctors and nurses for saving his life from Covid-19.

45 also needs to have such a come to jesus moment. But of course the US has no socialized medicine system to heap praises upon.
Actually, the President does use socialized medicine. Walter Reed is a Naval Tri-Force medical facility fully supported and paid for by ... the Government.
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Bisbee wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:54 pm Borris Johnson was released from the hospital today. He publicly thanked and praised the NHS doctors and nurses for saving his life from Covid-19.

45 also needs to have such a come to jesus moment. But of course the US has no socialized medicine system to heap praises upon.
Yes, BoJo was discharged and is recovering at the PMs country residence Chequers (like our Camp David). He praised the National Health Service and in particular two nurses, one from New Zealand and one from Portugal who watched over him for a critical 48 hours.

Yes, the lack of testing at the start and even today is embarrassing. Abbott came out with their 15 minute COVID-19 test that is FDA approved, but it still hasn't rolled out nationally. The test uses the existing testing units that facilities currently use to test for seasonal influenza and there are over 18,000 units nationwide but Abbott is slow at getting them converted for COVID-19 testing. And with so many new tests being approved by FDA, we don't have testing data on their false positives and false negatives. A case in an LA paper pointed out a 39 yr old elected official in the metro area who is fighting for his life in an ICU with COVID-19, even though he initially tested negative to the virus.

CDC had a plan for mass testing and never followed it.
A weeks-long testing delay that effectively blinded public health officials to the spread of the coronavirus in the US might have been avoided had federal agencies fully enacted their own plan to ramp up testing during a national health crisis.

The plan, which is spelled out in an April 2018 agreement between the Centers for Disease Control and three of the biggest associations involved in lab testing, called for boosting the capacity of public health labs, bringing big commercial labs into the testing process early, and making sure labs would have whatever they needed to mount a rapid, large-scale response. But over January and February, agencies within the Department of Health and Human Services not only failed to make early use of the hundreds of labs across the United States, they enforced regulatory roadblocks that prevented non-government labs from assisting, according to documents obtained by CNN, and interviews with 14 scientists and physicians at individual laboratories and national laboratory associations.

When the CDC stumbled out of the blocks in early February, releasing a flawed test that took it weeks to correct, labs across the country had been effectively sidelined. Many public health labs were waiting for the revised CDC tests, while commercial and clinical labs were barred from conducting their own tests unless they went through a complex, slow process of applying for their own "emergency use authorization" from the US Food and Drug Administration. As a result, the government squandered a critical month during which aggressive and widespread testing might greatly have reduced the speed and scale of the pandemic.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/politics ... index.html
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Is anyone else seeing this in their own state?

https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regiona ... pr6ZGejzM/
Giant healthcare systems based in Atlanta refuse to say how many coronavirus patients they’re treating at their dozens of Georgia hospitals. They won’t reveal how many of their front-line workers have gotten sick or even died from the virus.

Nursing homes and assisted living facilities aren’t required to post information about outbreaks, and until Friday the state had not been revealing which homes have the most cases, leaving families and advocates in the dark about the conditions inside homes they’re now barred from visiting.

While the governors of New York and Ohio are giving detailed, daily briefings broadcast live, Georgia’s governor has only given periodic updates to the public. And while Louisiana details the race and underlying health conditions of victims, Georgia is in the dark about the extent of the coronavirus and who may be most affected, given a massive shortage of tests and limited information it receives on victims.
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Locally, SATX mayor and county judge doing a good job keeping area informed; Texas state top three stooges, not so much; and DJT is a frigging joke.
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sig230 wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:40 am
Bisbee wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:54 pm Borris Johnson was released from the hospital today. He publicly thanked and praised the NHS doctors and nurses for saving his life from Covid-19.

45 also needs to have such a come to jesus moment. But of course the US has no socialized medicine system to heap praises upon.
Actually, the President does use socialized medicine. Walter Reed is a Naval Tri-Force medical facility fully supported and paid for by ... the Government.
Typical of America: Socialism for the Rich and Connected. The poor can go pound sand.
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K9s wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:15 pm Is anyone else seeing this in their own state?

https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regiona ... pr6ZGejzM/
Giant healthcare systems based in Atlanta refuse to say how many coronavirus patients they’re treating at their dozens of Georgia hospitals. They won’t reveal how many of their front-line workers have gotten sick or even died from the virus.

Nursing homes and assisted living facilities aren’t required to post information about outbreaks, and until Friday the state had not been revealing which homes have the most cases, leaving families and advocates in the dark about the conditions inside homes they’re now barred from visiting.

While the governors of New York and Ohio are giving detailed, daily briefings broadcast live, Georgia’s governor has only given periodic updates to the public. And while Louisiana details the race and underlying health conditions of victims, Georgia is in the dark about the extent of the coronavirus and who may be most affected, given a massive shortage of tests and limited information it receives on victims.
CA is probably better than GA but there is still incomplete information. LA Times has a tracker updated daily, but they aren't able to get complete info - they know that 682 people died in CA but they've only been able to get the sex of 108 - 575 are unknown. They also haven't been given the age of 323. They're a major US newspaper so I'm sure they're trying.

And then a story about the Santa Clara Valley Medical Center - a county hospital in San Jose.
The first to get sick was a woman in the nurse staffing office, who died in mid-March after a girls’ trip to Las Vegas with some hospital colleagues. A nursing manager fell ill next, followed by a nurse on the night shift and then a day supervisor. A short time later, a day shift nurse went out and then a temp.

At the Santa Clara Valley Medical Center, the nurses on a second-floor medical-surgical unit kept the grim tally in furtive texts and emails: Six women who had worked on their ward or visited it in the course of their duties had developed symptoms of the coronavirus. Four reported testing positive, one had yet to be tested and one was dead. Yet from the hospital administration, the worried employees said they heard nothing about what appeared to be an outbreak of the virus within the hospital’s walls. There was no official acknowledgment of the cases, and nurses who shared phone headsets, computer keyboards and a tiny break room were not tested, according to interviews and correspondence reviewed by The Times.

The frustration boiled over this week with an anonymous whistleblower complaint to Santa Clara County, which runs the hospital. “Management is not communicating confirmed positive cases — information that would enable potentially-exposed/infected staff to take extra precautionary measures to not affect their loved ones at home and elsewhere,” stated a complaint signed, “employees not treated responsibly from within.” The hospital’s compliance office has now launched an investigation.

A spokesman for the county health system, Maury Kendall, said in a statement that “some of our healthcare workers have tested or will test positive for COVID-19 and are out sick.” He said, though, that administrators were unaware of any deaths in the hospital ranks from the virus and declined to answer specific questions about the administration’s handling of the situation in the 2 Medical ward.
Silicon Valley has been one of the hardest-hit parts of California with Santa Clara County reporting more than 1,440 confirmed cases and 47 deaths. Of the confirmed cases, 109 have been healthcare workers, according to state data. Valley Medical Center, the region’s flagship public hospital [731 beds], has cared for a wave of COVID-19 patients.
https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... cal-center

Santa Clara County (San Jose) is second only to LA County in number of COVID-19 deaths in CA.
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something very definitely not right. after what looks like a significant downturn in new cases over the weekend, the two numbers for US confirmed cases are different by about 100k, 682.2 k for the days datapoint vs 581.7. i'm sure they'll sort it out one way or another in a day or so, but that big jump is disconcerting.
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featureless wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:55 pm The John Hopkins site does have occasional glitches. 588k or thereabouts for the day. Social distancing is showing in the curve, growth rate is slowing. Thank dog. Hopefully deaths will begin to flatten in a couple of weeks as well.

Then we get to do it again as Trump encourages stupidity.
Even a couple weeks at 2000 deaths a day is sad, but also fodder for Trump bragging.
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sig230 wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:57 pm
featureless wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:55 pm The John Hopkins site does have occasional glitches. 588k or thereabouts for the day. Social distancing is showing in the curve, growth rate is slowing. Thank dog. Hopefully deaths will begin to flatten in a couple of weeks as well.

Then we get to do it again as Trump encourages stupidity.
Even a couple weeks at 2000 deaths a day is sad, but also fodder for Trump bragging.
Oh, I'm not discounting the deaths, just relieved to see something less horrific in the curve.

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JHU-CSSE had another screwup tonight that they finally fixed. I noticed that their total number of cases had increase over an hour or so by about 101,000 cases, to about 682,000 for 581,000!
As I dug into their data, Florida had jumped past New Jersey going from 21,000 case to 123,000 in just an hour or two! I eMailed them, got a form letter response, but in another hour or two, they fixed it. A couple of days ago Worldometer had a similar glitch, and after I eMailed them, it was fixed.

Worldometer's numbers are always a bit higher than JHU, right now about 1% higher on cases, but only 32 more fatalities (over 23,600 for both). So I watch both for eye-opening discrepancies.
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South Dakota’s governor resisted ordering people to stay home. Now it has one of the nation’s largest coronavirus hot spots.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

Noem is one of five governors representing relatively rural states — North Dakota, Iowa, Nebraska and Arkansas are the others — still resisting such calls. All are Republicans, and all have used similar justifications for going against the national grain.

Noem has perhaps gone even further than others, however, citing the principle of individual liberty and the limitations of government to dictate people’s behavior — even when public health may depend on it.

Citing scientific modeling, the governor acknowledged this month that up to 70 percent of residents in her state may ultimately fall ill with covid-19. But, she suggested, it wasn’t up to government to tell them how to behave.
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From the University of Alberta Medical Faculty.
Study finds remdesivir effective against a key enzyme of coronavirus that causes COVID-19
Scientists have shown that the drug remdesivir is highly effective in stopping the replication mechanism of the coronavirus that causes COVID-19. The finding follows closely on research demonstrating how the drug worked against the Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) virus, a related coronavirus.
Götte's new paper demonstrates how remdesivir, developed in 2014 to fight the Ebola epidemic, works in detail. He likens the polymerase to the engine of the virus, responsible for synthesizing the virus' genome. "If you target the polymerase, the virus cannot spread, so it's a very logical target for treatment," Götte said.

The lab's work shows how remdesivir tricks the virus by mimicking its building blocks. "These coronavirus polymerases are sloppy and they get fooled, so the inhibitor gets incorporated many times and the virus can no longer replicate," Götte explained.
He said the evidence from his group, along with previously published studies in animal and cell culture models, means that remdesivir can be classified as a "direct-acting antiviral" against SARS-CoV-2, a term first used to describe newer classes of antivirals that interfere with specific steps of the hepatitis C virus (HCV) life cycle.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 144055.htm

The federal government is conducting a clinical trial at the University of Nebraska, Omaha. Developed for Ebola, other drugs worked better than remdesivir.
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lurker wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:24 am well this is encouraging. maybe. the daily rate of new cases has dropped to under 25,000, a level we haven't seen since the beginning of april. lets see how things play out. social distancing appears to work, with a 10 to 14 day lag.
Cautiously optimistic. Numbers are going up in the southern hemisphere which doesn't have advanced healthcare systems - South America, South Asia and Africa. The data we get from there will likely be incomplete, they have less testing than the US and Europe and many governments don't want to cause panic with high numbers AU and NZ are the exceptions.
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