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TrueTexan wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:33 pm Now we are also seeing the wackos of QAnon saying the bleach solution they have will cure the Corona virus. You are to mix it with water and drink it. It is chlorine dioxide. Not good for your health. Just need to say to them drink your Kool-Aide
You'd do better just taking some lime with your Corona. At least it has vitamin C and won't kill your mucus membrane cells. :beer2:

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TrueTexan wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:33 pm No doubt that Trump or his minions will do just that.

Now we are also seeing the wackos of QAnon saying the bleach solution they have will cure the Corona virus. You are to mix it with water and drink it. It is chlorine dioxide. Not good for your health. Just need to say to them drink your Kool-Aide.

Crazy, guess they want to kill off their followers which doesn't make much sense.
There are now at least 162 dead from Wuhan coronavirus in China’s Hubei province – the epicenter of the outbreak – and a total of 4,586 confirmed cases in the province by the end of Wednesday, according to Hubei’s provincial health authority. The case count for the province has gone up by 1,032, and death toll has gone up by 37 from the previous day. This brings the number of cases for mainland China to over 7,000 and the death toll for mainland China to 170.
https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coro ... index.html

That's a 2% fatality rate if the Chinese are reporting real numbers.
Finland's National Health and Welfare Institute confirmed the first case of coronavirus in the country, according to CNN's affiliate MTV3 Finland.

The 32-year-old woman from Wuhan arrived in Finland on Thursday, traveling on the same day to Ivalo, a village in the northern Lapland region.

She developed respiratory symptoms and fever on Sunday, and went to the emergency room yesterday, MTV3 Finland reports.
https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coro ... index.html
Passengers on a flight from Wuhan to California who don’t have symptoms of coronavirus are requested to stay in housing at March Air Reserve Base "to allow CDC medical officers to perform more thorough screening and to better understand each individual’s exposure,” according to the statement today from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The statement did not indicate how long evacuees would be asked to remain in housing. For those who do show symptoms, CDC said it will work with the California Department of Public Health and Riverside County Public Health to transport them to a hospital to be evaluated.

Earlier today: A team of CDC medical officers met the flight after landed this morning in southern California, carrying more than 200 Americans evacuated from the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak. The plane departed Wuhan on Tuesday and stopped in Anchorage, Alaska, to refuel. According to the CDC, passengers were screened before takeoff, during the flight, during the refueling and after arriving. The agency maintains it believes the risk of coronavirus to the US public is low.
https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coro ... index.html

March is a reserve base so there is base housing available and federal or local police agencies can provide security.
An expert from the World Health Organization said the peak of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak can't be predicted. "There is no scientist nor sage on the planet that will tell you when the peak of this epidemic will occur," Dr. Michael Ryan, executive director of the WHO Health Emergencies Programme, told reporters today. The peak will occur as soon as we put together a package of interventions that are designed to stop the virus," Ryan added. "So we need to focus not on where the peak is; we need to focus on our actions in the coming days and weeks."

Ryan's comments come the day after Zhong Nanshan, the director of China’s National Clinical Research Center for Respiratory Disease, told China’s State News Agency Xinhua that he expects the novel coronavirus outbreak to possibly reach its peak in one week or around 10 days from now. Previously, professor Gabriel Leung, chair of public health medicine at University of Hong Kong, predicted that the peak would come between mid-May and mid-April for major city clusters in mainland China.
https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coro ... index.html
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The Coronavirus Is an Exciting Opportunity for Conspiracy Theorists
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/pkea ... -theorists
It’s not surprising that conspiracy theories and hoaxes have begun circulating about the coronavirus. Conspiracy peddlers make their money and retain their audiences by selling panic, and they’ve leaped onto this new epidemic with glee, using it to sell all kinds of bullshit theories, market questionable products, and—in a particularly depressing twist—push the Trump administration to impose new, xenophobic travel bans.

The slightly more mainstream peddlers of xenophobia and conspiracy theorists have had a different focus. Both Jack Posobiec, the former Game of Thrones blogger turned right-wing media star, and Ann Coulter, a desiccated racist who’s prone to promoting a variety of utterly false theories (including claiming that the U.S. has “taken in one-fourth of Mexico’s population”), have suggested that the coronavirus means that China should be subject to a travel ban because, as Posobiec scientifically pointed out, “This is how the plot of World War Z began in the book.”

Accusations that the government isn’t doing enough to stop the spread of the disease have also been met by accusations that they’ll soon be doing too much. A site called Twisted Truth was among those spreading the claim that the government would soon impose martial law on Americans to contain the outbreak.
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Here is a good article on the virus debunking three of the falsehoods being spread faster than the disease.
Since it was first detected in December, in Wuhan, China, the number of known people infected with the coronavirus has ballooned to nearly 6,000, with new cases quickly turning up in Asia, the Americas, and Europe. As of Tuesday, 100 people have died from the illness in China, where the government is scrambling to detect it and contain the spread—speedily erecting hospitals and putting cities on shutdown mode. Other countries are curtailing international travel to China, which has agreed to allow specialists from the World Health Organization to assist in disease mitigation.

As the public health crisis becomes more serious, so too has the desire for news about the virus. Enter now, a high volume of unsourced and often inaccurate information feeding that appetite. Some of the traffic focuses on the speed of how the illness is spreading, or the response in China, but some of the most active chatter has been around potential, albeit unproven, treatments for the illness, which, because it is a virus, is unresponsive to antibiotics.

Some stories reported that Chinese doctors have discovered a cure for the coronavirus in a class of HIV drugs called protease inhibitors. Reuters reported that an HIV medication was being tested to treat coronavirus symptoms, but that is a far cry from any kind of cure. But then the story escalated and dubious publications like the New York Times Post and the UK-based tabloid the Express carried this claim further, saying that an HIV “wonder drug” called Nelfinavir was being used according to the Express, “‘somewhat successfully’ to tackle coronavirus.” Nelfinavir was not one of the HIV medications that was being tested, according to Reuters. Nonetheless, the internet seized on the information.

Even though these publications are far from the mainstream, both of the articles supported their stories with apparent insights from experts in the field. One of them was Dr. Michael Mina, an epidemiologist and assistant professor at Harvard School of Public Health. The Express article said he “revealed experts…are using protease inhibitors ‘somewhat successfully’ to tackle coronavirus.” I called Dr. Mina to find out more about this research to see how his work squares with other stories about possible coronavirus treatments mentioned in other articles.

First of all, Dr. Mina was surprised to see that he had been quoted as one of the sources for this information, since he knows that the coronavirus has no confirmed cure. In fact, during a recent conversation with a reporter at WebMD, he explicitly discussed what he described as the “unsubstantiated claims on Twitter that [protease inhibitors] were being used.” Protease inhibitors may have been used to treat SARS, a related but distinct illness, he says, but there is no evidence that these could be used for the coronavirus.

I told Dr. Mina that he had been quoted in the Express. “I really want to know where these are coming from,” he says, adding that the conversations he’s seen on Twitter show “there’s lots of fearmongering going on about global pandemic, a catastrophe happening or about to happen.” He suggests that at this point, the only message that seems to emerge from the “tremendous amount of information being thrown around,” is that the coronavirus “is distinct from any virus from the past.”

So I asked Dr. Mina, about teasing out fact from fiction in the onslaught of information. How does one determine the seriousness of the infection, much less the cure? Officially, more than 5,900 individuals are infected with coronavirus, though some experts suspect underreporting. But, I told him, one professor at Imperial College in the United Kingdom told the Guardian that 100,000 people could have coronavirus. That number has not yet been confirmed, but Mina says that if it turns out to be true, this could be good news. A fatality rate of 100 in 100,000 is significantly lower than 100 in 2,500. “If we find out that the virus has infected many more than we know, that means it’s even less pathogenic than we think,” he says. “It would be more like seasonal flu is every year.”

What about how rapidly the coronavirus is spreading? Yet another source of misunderstanding. Across Twitter, users following the disease have paid close attention to what is known as the “r-nought”—often expressed at “R0.” That’s a data point representing the rate by which a disease spreads. To understand this better, I turned to Dr. Angela Hewlett, an infectious disease specialist at the University of Nebraska Medical Center and member of the Infectious Diseases Society of America. She explained, “It’s essentially the number of transmission events of a disease per infected person.” An r-nought of three, for example, means “one infected person is likely to infect three people.” Hewlett says that actual r-nought of this coronavirus outbreak isn’t clear. When I asked Mina, he said he thought it was somewhere between 1.5 and 3. Though, it’s important to note than the r-nought doesn’t take the severity of an illness into consideration.

In the Twitter universe, however, users are using the r-nought to calculate possible trajectories of the spread of the virus, envisioning a global pandemic, while it’s still uncertain whether the coronavirus will turn out to be more comparable to a seasonal illness like the flu in terms of mortality rates.

Not only is over-speculating on how quickly the illness is spreading unproductive and potentially fear-mongering, even a high r-nought needs to be properly contextualized. “We don’t know how many people are being infected and staying perfectly healthy throughout the process,” says Mina. Hewlett points to other prominent deadly diseases that have much higher r-noughts than coronavirus. “It’s important to put all of this in context,” Hewlett says. “Someone with measles has an r-nought of 18. Lots of diseases are much more contagious than it looks like this novel coronavirus will be.”

The bottom line is that epidemics such as the coronavirus can often bring out the worst in social media. When tools from the science or medical worlds enter the public discourse without being fully understood, or put in context, they can be misused. “Social media allows buzzwords to enter the layperson domain,” Mina says, “which leads to a tremendous amount of misunderstanding and, frankly, fear.”
https://www.motherjones.com/environment ... -are-fake/
Coronaviruses are a group of viruses that cause diseases in mammals and birds. In humans, the viruses cause respiratory infections which are typically mild including the common cold but rarer forms like SARS and MERS can be lethal. In cows and pigs they may cause diarrhea, while in chickens they can cause an upper respiratory disease. There are no vaccines or antiviral drugs that are approved for prevention or treatment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus

So we have all been exposed to the Coronaviruses in one form or another since we all have had the common cold at on time or another.

This outbreak may run its course like Swine Flu or the Avian Flu did years ago.

I asked my resident expert, my wife. about all this. She has a Phd in Molecular Biology and taught Microbiology at the college level for twenty years. She said these facts are true and just as I remembered from all my years nursing what we were taught about disease prevention. Good hand washing is a must. also if you are using a hand sanitizer it must have at least 60 precent alcohol to be effective.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
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The pre-eminent British medical journal The Lancet published are article written by doctors at Jinyintan Hospital in Wuhan about the first 99 patients they saw.
All of the 99 patients taken to the hospital had pneumonia - their lungs were inflamed and the tiny sacs where oxygen moves from the air to the blood were filling with water.

Other symptoms were:
82 had fever
81 had a cough
31 had shortness of breath
11 had muscle ache
nine had confusion
eight had a headache
five had a sore throat
The first two patients to die were seemingly healthy, although they were long-term smokers and that would have weakened their lungs. The first, a 61-year-old man, had severe pneumonia when he arrived at hospital. He was in acute respiratory distress, meaning his lungs were unable to provide enough oxygen to his organs to keep his body alive. Despite being put on a ventilator, his lungs failed and his heart stopped beating. He died 11 days after he was admitted.

The second patient, a 69-year-old man, also had acute respiratory distress syndrome. He was attached to an artificial lung or ECMO (extra-corporeal membrane oxygenation) machine but this wasn't enough. He died of severe pneumonia and septic shock when his blood pressure collapsed.
As of 25 January, of the 99 patients:

57 were still in hospital
31 had been discharged
11 had died
This does not mean the death rate of the disease is 11%, though, as some of those still in hospital may yet die and many others have such mild symptoms they do not end up in hospital.
Live animals sold at the Huanan seafood market are thought to be the source of the infection, called 2019-nCoV.

And 49 out of the 99 patients had a direct connection to the market: 47 worked there, either as managers or manning the stalls two were shoppers who had only popped in
Most of the 99 patients were middle-aged, with an average age of 56 - and 67 of them were men. However, more recent figures suggest a more even gender split. The China Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said 1.2 men were infected for every 1.0 women.

There are two possible explanations for the difference:

Men could be more likely to become severely ill and need hospital treatment. Men, for social or cultural reasons, may have been more likely to be exposed to the virus at the beginning of the outbreak Dr Li Zhang, at the hospital, says: "The reduced susceptibility of females to viral infections could be attributed to the protection from X chromosome and sex hormones, which play an important role in immunity."
Most of the 99 had other diseases that may have made them more vulnerable to the virus as a "result of the weaker immune functions of these patients":

40 had a weak heart or damaged blood vessels due to conditions including heart disease, heart failure and stroke A further 12 patients had diabetes
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51214864

Not everyone who is ill is in a hospital, like the flu and other respiratory viruses those with pre-existing medical conditions are most at risk and smokers.


The Wuhan virus has spread to all regions of China.
More people have now been infected in China than during the Sars outbreak in the early 2000s, but the death toll remains far lower. Sars, also a coronavirus, caused acute respiratory illness.
Yes as TT and SG said, wash your hands which is basic public health. And try not to touch your eyes, nose and mouth and let germs in your body.

New viruses provide unique challenges. “What’s tricky about something like this is that you’re sort of starting from ground zero,” Baumgaertner said. “So, it’s hard to make predictions on anything when a virus is novel.”
“Californians should wash their hands,” Baumgaertner said. But that basic tenet of hygiene is about all that’s required of us, at least at this point.

“The vast majority of Americans will not be exposed to this virus. If you are not an old person or a person with a compromised immune system, there’s no reason you should be as worried about coronavirus as you should be about the winter flu.” Healthcare workers who are working with the two patients in California are, of course, at increased risk. Hospitals will need to work to ensure that their institutions don’t become places where the infection spreads.

But, she continued, “the average person is more than welcome to go to the grocery store without fear.”
https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... newsletter
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Coronavirus could ‘help’ bring jobs to U.S., Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross says, as firms address affected operations in China

Ross expressed sympathy for the victims and told Fox Business that he didn't "want to talk about a victory lap." But he said the deadly virus would be a consideration by businesses that might move operations away from affected areas in China.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... irus-jobs/
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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K9s wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:11 pm Coronavirus could ‘help’ bring jobs to U.S., Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross says, as firms address affected operations in China

Ross expressed sympathy for the victims and told Fox Business that he didn't "want to talk about a victory lap." But he said the deadly virus would be a consideration by businesses that might move operations away from affected areas in China.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... irus-jobs/
It will definitely affect China's economy which is already in a down phase and this virus is in all regions of China. Xi needed a drastic move and quarantining cities is drastic. The Chinese health official saying it would peak in 10 days was trying to reassure the public but it's not true according to experts it would take months. Though this will shake China's establishment it won't topple the police state.

I think ole Wilbur is blowing smoke, I'd say that any industries moving out of China would go to Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Taiwan, Korea and other southeast Asian countries first with cheaper labor and few miles to move their equipment.
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highdesert wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:31 pm
K9s wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:11 pm Coronavirus could ‘help’ bring jobs to U.S., Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross says, as firms address affected operations in China

Ross expressed sympathy for the victims and told Fox Business that he didn't "want to talk about a victory lap." But he said the deadly virus would be a consideration by businesses that might move operations away from affected areas in China.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... irus-jobs/
It will definitely affect China's economy which is already in a down phase and this virus is in all regions of China. Xi needed a drastic move and quarantining cities is drastic. The Chinese health official saying it would peak in 10 days was trying to reassure the public but it's not true according to experts it would take months. Though this will shake China's establishment it won't topple the police state.

I think ole Wilbur is blowing smoke, I'd say that any industries moving out of China would go to Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Taiwan, Korea and other southeast Asian countries first with cheaper labor and few miles to move their equipment.
Wilbur Ross is a sick f**k. He is also a lying sack of s**t, but mostly a sick & psychopathic piece of s**t for saying that.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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featureless wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:21 pm First person to person transmission confirmed in Chicago.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/30/coronav ... dates.html
Apparently the husband has underlying medical problems so he's hospitalized along with the wife who visited Wuhan. Glad WHO finally declared it a wold health emergency, it's spreading fast and we need more actual data on infection rates and fatality rates. Prof Neil Ferguson a public health expert at Imperial estimated a few days ago that from their data that there are 100,000 cases in China and not the 8000 being reported. To data no cases reported of the Wuhan virus in the UK.
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The epidemic triangle is essentially an equation. It posits that every outbreak, regardless of its specific traits, is dependent on the interplay between three factors: the pathogen (the agent causing infection), the host (the organism at risk of infection) and the environment (the setting where the infections occur). Every single epidemic — be it the flu, cholera or even behavioral epidemics like drunken driving — is the result of a dynamic shift in one of these points of the epidemic triangle, which then causes a domino effect leading to a sudden explosion of new cases.

In one classic example of this phenomenon, we have an environmental shift to thank for the emergence of the global flu pandemic. In the mid-16th century, ducks were introduced to Chinese rice paddies to feed on the insects that were destroying crops. That meant ducks joined another common feature of Chinese farms: pigs. The duck’s unique biology makes it a generous reservoir for a vast number of viruses, while pigs are uncannily efficient at mixing different viruses together into new strains and passing them to humans. Breeding these two animals in proximity quickly led to the combination and transmission of new viral strains. Novel and highly virulent pathogens — hybrid pig-duck influenza strains — then crossed the species barrier and have been tormenting humanity ever since.
As the Wuhan outbreak continues to expand, applying the calculus of the epidemic triangle remains the most reliable way to chart an effective public health response while avoiding a descent into hysteria.

First, we need to know how much of a shift this new pathogen is from previous coronavirus strains, based on its infective potential and virulence. Judging from the rapid rise in cases since the first cluster was reported on Dec. 31, the new Wuhan strain could very well be highly infective. For perspective, SARS has a relatively low basic reproductive ratio (or R0) of 0.5, meaning that every two cases of SARS results in only one additional infection. Very early estimates shared by the W.H.O. suggest the Wuhan strain’s R0 is 1.4 to 2.5, producing roughly two secondary cases for each initial infection, which places it slightly higher than the seasonal flu (for perspective, measles has a R0 of 12 to 18).
Where the environment has truly shifted, though, is in China’s connections to the rest of the world. In 2005, two years after the first SARS outbreak, there were only 233 international air routes from mainland China. By 2016, international routes had more than tripled to 739, meaning there were far more routes for the virus to take out of the country. During the same period, the number of international air passengers traveling in and out of China exploded from around three million to over 51 million. In short, China’s increasingly outward-facing stance has greatly expanded the environment within which the Wuhan coronavirus can propagate. This, among all three of the points of the epidemic triangle, makes predicting the scope of the current outbreak exceedingly complex.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/30/opin ... demic.html
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Unfortunately this winner-takes-all capitalism mentality encourages the worst in humanity for short-term gain at the cost of long-term stability. It is immaturity, pure and simple.
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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lurker wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:47 pm
K9s wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:11 pm Coronavirus could ‘help’ bring jobs to U.S., Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross says, as firms address affected operations in China
i'm ashamed to admit that i am beginning to wish ill on some of these people who seek to benefit from the misfortunes of others.
We are human. I wish all neo-Nazis would get salmonella every time they drink beer or eat pork rinds. I hope Wilbur Ross stubs his big toe every time he gets out of his slippers. Am I a bad person?
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

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China's National Health Commission has announced that as of the end-of Thursday January 30, the total number of confirmed Wuhan coronavirus cases in mainland China had risen to 9,692.

That's a jump of 1,982 from the previous day, with the total figure now far exceeding the number of cases associated with severe respiratory syndrome (SARS) in 2003 -- previously among Asia's worst outbreaks.

The death toll in mainland China has now reached 213, with 42 new deaths occurring in Hubei province -- the epicenter of the outbreak, and one in the northeastern province of Heilongjiang.
https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coro ... index.html

China’s Supreme People’s Court has often been at the forefront of the country’s crackdown on “rumors.” In 2013, it introduced sentences of three years for “libelous” posts, including those deemed to be “damaging the national image.” Now, in the midst of the coronavirus outbreak, it’s sending a more tempered message.

Chinese newspaper Beijing News this week (link in Chinese) published the story of a local doctor who said he had been summoned by Wuhan police because of information he shared in a medical school alumni group on Dec. 30. He had told the group there were seven cases of pneumonia in a hospital from SARS, a virus that caused an epidemic in China in 2003. He later clarified that the virus in question was still being identified, according to the South China Morning Post. Police made the doctor sign a letter promising not to disclose further information about the outbreak, the Post said, adding that the doctor later became infected himself. On Dec. 31, the city disclosed the presence of 27 pneumonia cases of unknown origin.

On Tuesday (Jan. 28), an article by a judge published on the top court’s social media account (link in Chinese) noted that if law enforcement hadn’t been so quick to take action to quell those rumors, China might be in a better position in its battle against the new virus. The virus has infected (link in Chinese) more than 9,700 people in the country—more than SARS—and killed at least 213. The article said that while some of the information in the messages about the pneumonia cases was inaccurate, on the whole the information was not a fabrication:

If the public listened to this ‘rumor’ at that time, and adopted measures such as wearing a mask, strict disinfection, and avoiding going to the wildlife market based on panic about SARS, this may have been a better way to prevent and control the new pneumonia … As long as the information is basically true, the publishers and disseminators are not intentionally malicious, and the behavior objectively has not caused serious harm, we should maintain a tolerant attitude towards such ‘false information.’

While not a ruling or an official statement, the article offers clues to the court’s thinking on the topic.
Rumors are stopped by transparency. Based on their anxiety about their own safety, there is a certain degree of panic in the face of public health emergencies, which is normal and should be understood. If, at such a moment, relevant information is made public in a timely and comprehensive manner, people’s doubts will naturally be reduced. However, if the information is not disclosed in a timely and transparent manner, it is often easy for the masses to listen to and spread various rumors based on their social interaction circles and their own life experiences… if the rumors are repeatedly confirmed by reality, the masses will naturally choose to believe the rumors in the face of emergencies.

Many have noted that the government in Beijing seems to be quite happy to direct rising public anger at local authorities in central Hubei province. Wuhan mayor Zhou Xianwang said in a TV interview this week that that he didn’t disclose information about the virus in a timely manner, adding that he needed authorization from higher up to do so. A health commission chief in another city in the province with a high number of infections was fired yesterday, after the state-run broadcaster aired footage of her stumbling over questions about availability of beds and test kits.

The court’s criticism of the Wuhan police’s handling of rumors may just be the latest example of deflecting anger. Meanwhile, it made it clear that the court still considers many kinds of rumors actionable. Deliberately sharing inflated numbers of deaths in order to sow panic, or “recklessly” casting aspersions on the national government’s handling of epidemics, should be punished as criminal offenses, the judge wrote.
https://qz.com/1793764/china-court-says ... ve-helped/
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From a hobby electronics site in China:
New update on Jan 31: As the New coronavirus outbreak is spreading in China(we are in Fujian Province), most of logistics company will NOT start the business before Feb 10, according to Chinese government’s latest regulation rules. So most of shipments will be delayed for some days. As it is in a special time, we are really sorry about this. Thank you.
https://elekitsorparts.com/product/ubit ... d-on-board

Tesla's car and battery production gigafactory in China is shut down.
It may ‘slightly’ affect the company’s profitability, the finance chief says
https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/29/2111 ... tory-china

The price of Bitcoin is climbing, though the spot price for gold is forecast to be lower tomorrow. I guess that's a mixed message from safe havens.
The outbreak of the coronavirus threatens to affect key sectors of the economy in an election year and in particular could spell trouble for President Trump's "Phase One" trade deal with China.
https://thehill.com/policy/finance/4807 ... mp-economy

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The nation’s top infectious disease doctor says a study published Thursday night shows people can spread the Wuhan coronavirus before symptoms set in. There’s no doubt after reading this paper that asymptomatic transmission is occurring,” said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases. “This study lays the question to rest.” In the study, which was published in the New England Journal of Medicine, German researchers described four business associates who became infected through asymptomatic transmission.

“They were in workshops together, they went to the company canteen together,” Dr. Camilla Rothe, an infectious disease specialist in Germany who co-authored the paper, told CNN. A woman from Shanghai met with German business associates at a company near Munich on January 20. The Chinese woman was healthy during her visit to Germany. Within eight days, four employees of that company were diagnosed with Wuhan coronavirus. None of them became seriously ill, but Fauci said there was concern that they would pass along the infection to someone who could develop life-threatening complications.

Chinese health authorities said earlier this week the Wuhan coronavirus could be spread while people were asymptomatic, but the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said it had not seen evidence of that.
https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coro ... index.html

Just like the flu, a person might show no symptoms but still spread the virus.

England's first two confirmed novel coronavirus patients have been transferred to a specialist infection unit in Newcastle [200 miles north of London], the UK's Department of Health and Social Care said in a Twitter thread.

The Department said the "risk to the public has not changed as a result" of the cases. flight transporting British nationals from Wuhan landed in the UK this afternoon. Those passengers will be transferred to a National Health Service accommodation facility, where they will stay in quarantine for 14 days.

In quarantine, they will be able to access a team of specialist medical staff, who will closely monitor their condition and will be regularly assessed for symptoms as a precaution. They will also have “fully furnished rooms, food, Wifi, toys and games for children, and laundry facilities” provided free of charge by the government.

"Our priority is to make sure the UK public is safe," the health department said, adding that the quarantine was a "precaution" and that health officials were working to "ensure their comfort and well-being."
https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coro ... index.html

Hong Kong's Polytechnic University has developed new face masks that could be reusable for up to 70 times, according to local reports. Lawmaker Felix Chung told CNN the project was led by both the university and the Hong Kong Research Institute of Textiles and Apparel. Researchers are working to develop a new antibacterial material that could be used in various textile products -- including face masks.

They are producing samples, which will hopefully be ready by Monday, Chung said. Once the samples are ready, the teams can gauge whether they are ready for public distribution. A different battle: The university may be at the forefront of the global fight against the outbreak -- but just a few months ago, it was a smoldering battleground, wrecked by fire and tear gas in a very different fight.

The university became a significant protest site during anti-government, pro-democracy unrest that rocked Hong Kong during the entire second half of 2019. Protesters in November occupied the university for more than a week, and fought off riot police laying siege to the campus. Images at the time showed building entrances on fire, petrol bombs, makeshift weapons like bows and arrows, and clouds of tear gas.

It also became a powerful symbol of the conflict: young, angry Hong Kongers on a school campus, some declaring they were ready to give their lives to win the city greater freedoms.
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The Experts are saying we need to be concerned about the Corona Virus but we really need to be concerned about the Flu viruses this year as we are seeing both Type A and Type B. Also many people aren't getting vaccinated this year. The CDC has said they expect at least 8,000 people to die from the flu. the largest number in a decade. If you haven't been vaccinated do so now. Not only does it help you fight the flu if exposed, but it boosts you immune system.
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