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The omicron variant of COVID-19 is spreading rapidly throughout the United Kingdom and is likely to become the dominant strain of the virus there by the middle of this month, the U.K. Health Security Agency said Friday.

Early data and estimates released by the agency found omicron is more easily transmissible than other variants, the agency said in its latest variant technical briefing.

Other studies suggest that both the AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccines are less effective in preventing symptomatic infections in people exposed to omicron, though preliminary data released by the agency showed that effectiveness appears to rise to between 70% and 75% after a third booster dose.

The latest data show 568 confirmed or probable omicron infections as of Dec. 8, up from just two one week earlier. If current trends continue, the U.K. will exceed 1 million omicron infections by the end of December, the health security agency said.

“Once again, we urge everyone who is able to get a booster jab to come forward and do so,” Dr. Jenny Harries, the agency’s chief executive, said in the briefing paper.

While underscoring earlier warnings about the risks posed by the omicron variant, the agency said the data should be treated with caution because the findings are based on early analysis of a small number of cases.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/hea ... 455186001/

Future pandemics could be more lethal than the current Covid crisis, one of the creators of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine has warned. Professor Dame Sarah Gilbert, delivering the 44th Richard Dimbleby Lecture, said there needed to be more funding for pandemic preparedness to prevent the advances made from being lost.

She also warned vaccines could be less effective against the Omicron variant. Dame Sarah added that people should be cautious until more was known about it. She said: "This will not be the last time a virus threatens our lives and our livelihoods. The truth is, the next one could be worse. It could be more contagious, or more lethal, or both.

"We cannot allow a situation where we have gone through all we have gone through, and then find that the enormous economic losses we have sustained mean that there is still no funding for pandemic preparedness," she added. "The advances we have made, and the knowledge we have gained, must not be lost."

"But there are additional changes that may mean antibodies induced by the vaccines, or by infection with other variants, may be less effective at preventing infection with Omicron.

"Until we know more, we should be cautious, and take steps to slow down the spread of this new variant."

However, Dame Sarah said reduced protection against infection and mild disease would not necessarily mean reduced protection against severe illness and death.

She also called for the rapid progress seen in delivering vaccines and medicines during the pandemic to become the norm.

There was no reason why a universal flu jab could not be developed in order to wipe out the threat from influenza, she said.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59542211

Professor Gilbert's team at Oxford University created the Oxford/AstraZeneca COVID vaccine, it's the most widely administered vaccine in the world.
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The emergence of COVID-19 variants such as delta and omicron have sent scientists scrambling to determine whether existing vaccinations and boosters are still effective against new strains of SARS-Cov-2.

A new response to the rapidly mutating virus might be found right at the door to our lungs, says Yale’s Akiko Iwasaki, the Waldemar Von Zedtwitz Professor of Immunobiology. In a new study, she and her colleagues found that intranasal vaccination provides broad-based protection against heterologous respiratory viruses in mice, while so-called systemic immunization, which uses an injection to elicit body-wide protection, did not.

Their findings are published today (December 10, 2021) in the journal Science Immunology.

“The best immune defense happens at the gate, guarding against viruses trying to enter,” said Iwasaki, senior author of the study.

Mucous membranes contain their own immune defense system that combat air- or foodborne pathogens. When challenged, these barrier tissues produce B cells which in turn secrete immunoglobin A (IgA) antibodies. Unlike vaccines which elicit a system-wide immune response, IgA antibodies work locally on mucosal surfaces found in the nose, stomach, and lungs.

While the protective role of IgA-producing cells had been well established in combatting intestinal pathogens, Iwasaki’s lab wondered if triggering IgA response might also produce a localized immune response against respiratory viruses.

Working with researchers at Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York, they tested a protein-based vaccine designed to jump start an IgA immune response, administering it to mice through injections, as is commonly done with systemic immunizations, and also intranasally. They then exposed mice to multiple strains of influenza viruses. They found that mice that had received vaccine intranasally were much better protected against the respiratory influenza than those that received injections. Nasal vaccines, but not the shot, also induced antibodies that protected the animals against a variety of flu strains, not just against the strain the vaccine was meant to protect against.

The Yale team is currently testing nasal vaccine strains against COVID strains in animal models.

While both vaccine injections and nasal vaccines increased levels of antibodies in the blood of mice, only the nasal vaccine enabled IgA secretion into the lungs, where respiratory viruses need to lodge to infect the host, Iwasaki said.

If the nasal vaccines prove to be safe and efficient in humans, Iwasaki envisions them being used in conjunction with current vaccines and boosters that work system wide in order to add immune system reinforcements at the source of infection.

Reference: “Intranasal priming induces local lung-resident B cell populations that secrete protective mucosal antiviral IgA” 10 December 2021, l Science Immunology.
DOI: 10.1126/sciimmunol.abj5129

Other co-first-authors of the study are Ji Eun Oh, Eric Song, and Miyu Moriyama, all from Yale.
https://scitechdaily.com/nasal-vaccine- ... -variants/
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Prime Minister Boris Johnson warned Sunday that Britain faces a “tidal wave” of infections from the omicron coronavirus variant, and announced a huge increase in booster vaccinations to strengthen defenses against it.

In a televised statement, Johnson said everyone age 18 and older will be offered a third shot of vaccine by the end of this month in response to the omicron “emergency.” The previous target was the end of January.

He said cases of the highly transmissible variant are doubling every two to three days in Britain, and “there is a tidal wave of omicron coming.”

”And I’m afraid it is now clear that two doses of vaccine are simply not enough to give the level of protection we all need,” Johnson said. “But the good news is that our scientists are confident that with a third dose – a booster dose – we can all bring our level of protection back up.”

He announced a “national mission” to deliver booster vaccines, with pop-up vaccination centers and seven-day-a-week getting extra support from teams of military planners and thousands of volunteer vaccinators.

Johnson’s Dec. 31 target applies to England. The other parts of the U.K. — Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland — are also expected to speed up their vaccination campaigns.

The U.K. Health Security Agency says existing vaccines appear less effective in preventing symptomatic infections in people exposed to omicron, though preliminary data show that effectiveness appears to rise to between 70% and 75% after a third vaccine dose.

More than 80% of people age 12 and up in Britain have received two doses of vaccine, and 40% of adults have had three doses. Giving the rest a booster in the next three weeks will be a huge challenge, requiring almost 1 million doses delivered a day. Johnson acknowledged that many routine medical procedures would have to be postponed to meet the goal.

Johnson’s announcement came hours after the government raised the country’s official coronavirus threat level, warning the rapid spread of the omicron variant had pushed the U.K. into risky territory.

The chief medical officers of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland said the 1of the highly transmissible new strain “adds additional and rapidly increasing risk to the public and health care services” at a time when COVID-19 is already widespread. They recommended raising the alert level from 3 to 4 on a 5-point scale. The top level, 5, indicates authorities think the health care system is about to be overwhelmed.

The doctors said early evidence shows omicron is spreading much faster than the currently dominant delta variant, and that vaccines offer less protection against it. British officials say omicron is likely to replace delta as the dominant strain in the U.K. within days.

“Data on severity will become clearer over the coming weeks but hospitalizations from omicron are already occurring and these are likely to increase rapidly,” they said.
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus- ... 1013e16bab
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TrueTexan wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:54 am Good article in how Sars-Covid 2 evaded our immune system. The discovery was made at Texas A&M School of Medicine.

https://scitechdaily.com/covid-19-break ... ne-system/
Although the introduction of COVID-19 vaccines, such as the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, can lower an individual’s chance of contracting the virus, there is currently no permanent therapy that can entirely prevent a human from contracting SARS-CoV-2.

“We hope that this new discovery will allow us to develop a new drug that can block this gene so our immune system will be able to fight off the coronavirus for good,” de Figueiredo said.
Yes, a very good article.
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The Supreme Court turned away two emergency requests Monday from health care workers, doctors and nurses in New York to block the state's vaccine mandate. Justices Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch and Clarence Thomas dissented.

The dispute arose when three nurses and a group called We the Patriots USA, Inc, challenged the mandate, arguing that it allowed exemptions for those with medical objections but not for people with religious objections. The rule, which is currently in effect, covers workers in hospitals and nursing homes, home health agencies, adult centers as well as hospices. Several doctors who say they have treated many patients with Covid filed a separate request with the justices.

So far, the justices have allowed state mandates from Indiana, Maine and New York to go forward suggesting a tolerance for state efforts to fight Covid-19 in the midst of a surge of the Delta variant.

Gorsuch wrote that he would have granted the requests, noting that the doctors and the nurses "have gone to great lengths to serve their patients" during the pandemic. He said that two of the doctors are not "anti-vaxxers who object to all vaccines," but that the sincerity of their religious beliefs should be respected. Gorsuch noted that only recently had New York indicated that religious exemptions would not be accepted and he stressed the fact that the state did accommodate those with non-religious objections to the mandate.

"Even if one were to read the State's actions as something other than signs of animus, they leave little doubt that the re vised mandate was specifically directed at the applicants' unorthodox religious beliefs and practices," Gorsuch said wrote. He said that most every other state "has found that it can satisfy its COVID-19 public health goals without coercing religious objectors to accept a vaccine."

Some of the health care workers said they objected to the vaccines because of the distant relation to fetal cell lines developed from abortions in the 1970s and 1980s. The Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith said last December in a note approved by Pope Francis that receiving the shot was morally permitted.

"It is morally acceptable to receive Covid-19 vaccines that have used cell lines from aborted fetuses in their research and production process," the Vatican note said. The nurses said they are "devout Christians" who "object to deriving any benefit -- no matter how remote -- from a process involving abortion."

Gorsuch noted the fact that the Pope has encouraged vaccination. He asked, rhetorically, "if so many other religious persons are willing to be vaccinated, it is tempting enough to ask: What can be so wrong with coercing the few who are not?" Answering his own question, Gorsuch said, "We should know the costs that come when this Court stands silent as majorities invade the constitutional rights of the unpopular and unorthodox."

New York Attorney General Letitia James urged the Supreme Court to deny the request, arguing that the emergency rule requiring vaccinations for certain health care workers is necessary to combat the spread of the virus, which can lead to a "vicious cycle of staff shortages and deterioration of patient care."

In briefs, James said that the vaccines do not contain aborted fetal cells. She said that some cell lines "which are currently grown in a laboratory and are thousands of generations removed from cells collected from a fetus in 1973" were used in the "testing during the research and development phase of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines." She added that the use of fetal cell lines for testing is "common" including for the rubella vaccination.

She said that the "narrow grounds" for an exemption based on medical issues is "largely temporary," such as a "severe or immediate allergic reaction" after a previous dose of the vaccine, and added that in the nursing home sector 88.7% of workers are fully vaccinated.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/13/politics ... index.html

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Texas Medical Board takes 'corrective action' against Trump-loving 'Alien DNA' doctor

The Texas Medical Board has taken a "corrective action" against Dr. Stella Immanuel, the infamous Trump-loving Houston doctor who has in the past spouted theories about demons impregnating human women during their sleep and about physicians using "alien DNA" to treat their patients.

The Houston Chronicle reports that the board took the action in response to Immanuel prescribing hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19 "without adequately explaining the health consequences" to her patients.

"In an Oct. 15 decision, the medical board ordered Immanuel to submit proof of informed consent — or permission given by a patient who understands the possible health outcomes — for all off-label treatments she provides," writes the Chronicle. "She must adopt policies that require all consent documents to be reviewed and signed by the patient for off-label treatment. She also must pay $500 to the medical board."

Immanuel first came into the national spotlight last year after Trump promoted a video she produced that touted hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19, despite the fact that multiple studies have shown that the anti-malarial drug is not effective at fighting the disease.

Despite Immanuel's wild theories about women being impregnated by demons, Trump last year said he was "very impressed" with her and thanked her for promoting hydroxychloroquine.
https://www.rawstory.com/stella-immanue ... 3#cxrecs_s

Well we can expect to see changes to the Texas Medical Board since they aren't supporting a supporter of TOT's wild ass treatments for COVID.

As a healthcare professional (RN Retired) they should pull her license to practice medicine just for her theories about demons impregnating women. Maybe she is correct and the half demon half human is really a MAGA supporting TOT follower.
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The omicron variant appears to cause less severe disease than previous versions of the coronavirus, and the Pfizer vaccine seems to offer less defense against infection from it but still good protection from hospitalization, according to an analysis of data from South Africa, where the new variant is driving a surge in infections.

The findings released Tuesday are preliminary and have not been peer-reviewed — the gold standard in scientific research — but they line up with other early data about omicron’s behavior, including that it seems to be more easily transmitted.

Still, some experts cautioned that it’s too soon to draw conclusions about the outcomes from omicron since the variant is still quite new and hospitalizations can lag weeks behind infections.

According to an analysis conducted by Discovery Health, South Africa’s largest private health insurer, and the South African Medical Research Council, a two-dose Pfizer-BioNTech vaccination appeared to provide just 33% protection against infection during South Africa’s current omicron-fueled wave, but 70% protection against hospitalization.

The study did not look at booster shots, which are not yet prevalent in South Africa but which data from elsewhere has indicated improves protection.

The analysis in South Africa was based on examining more than 211,000 COVID-19 test results that date from Sept. 1 to Dec. 7 — 41% of which were for adults who had received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine, which is the most commonly used one in South Africa.

The study split the samples up into two periods: those taken before Oct. 31, when omicron was likely not very prevalent in South Africa, and those from after Nov. 15 when it was gaining ground. The latter group was used as a proxy for measuring the effects of the omicron variant.

Experts now say that omicron accounts for more than 90% of all new infections in South Africa, according to Discovery Health chief executive Dr. Ryan Noach, and it is also picking up steam in other countries.

Researchers around the world are rushing to figure out what the variant will mean for the coronavirus pandemic now well into its second year. More information came Tuesday from Pfizer, which announced that its experimental pill to treat COVID-19 — separate from it its vaccine — appears effective against omicron.

In the weeks since the variant was detected, South Africa has experienced rapid spread of the virus — concentrated in its most populous province, Gauteng. The seven-day rolling average of daily new cases in the country rose over the past two weeks from 8.07 new cases per 100,000 people on Nov. 29 to 34.37 new cases per 100,000 people on Dec. 13, according to Johns Hopkins University. The death rate hasn’t increased during that same period.

Many are now looking to South Africa for clues about what the world could be in for.

“The omicron-driven fourth wave has a significantly steeper trajectory of new infections relative to prior waves. National data show an exponential increase in both new infections and test positivity rates during the first three weeks of this wave, indicating a highly transmissible variant with rapid community spread of infection,” Noach said.

Although case numbers are rising, hospital admissions for adults diagnosed with COVID-19 are 29% lower compared to the wave that South Africa experienced in mid-2020, after adjusting for vaccination status, according to the analysis.

It shows that people who received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine had 33% protection against infection in the first weeks of South Africa’s current omicron-driven wave. That’s a significant drop from the 80% protection against infection afforded during earlier periods.

In addition, the study showed that people fully vaccinated with Pfizer had 70% protection against hospital admission during the omicron surge. That’s a drop from the 93% protection seen in South Africa’s delta-driven wave.

The study indicated significant protection against hospital admission even among older age groups, with 67% in people aged 60 to 69 and 60% for people aged 70 to 79.

But some say there’s still not enough data to draw broad conclusions about hospitalizations and the severity of disease caused by omicron.

“Their analyses covers just three weeks of data. Thus, it is important to avoid inferring too much right now,” Dr. Michael Head, Senior Research Fellow in Global Health, University of Southampton, wrote of the study.

Although South Africa’s findings indicate that omicron may cause milder disease, reports from Denmark show the opposite, he wrote. There are many variables that can affect the findings, including any previous infection, potentially waning immunity and the age range of people infected so far.

“Is omicron milder, or more severe than delta?” asked Head. “Time will tell. The world’s finest scientists, including many in the global south such as in South Africa, will find out. For now, national-level decision-makers have to consider that discretion is the better part of valor.”

The South African analysis supports an earlier assessment by U.K. authorities.

The U.K. Health Security Agency said Friday that new data from the U.K. confirm that omicron is more easily transmissible than other variants. Other studies suggest that both the AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccines are less effective in preventing symptomatic infections in people exposed to omicron, though preliminary data show that effectiveness appears to rise to between 70% and 75% after a third booster dose.
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus- ... 7c0470961b
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From December 15th to January 15th, CA DPH has mandated masks in all indoor public areas of the state.
California’s new mask mandate comes amid growing concerns that a winter surge in COVID-19 cases could once again strain hospitals.

Coronavirus infections are rising quickly in the state, although some officials remain hopeful that another winter spike in cases will be less severe than the devastating surge a year ago, which overwhelmed many hospitals.

Experts hope the new mask requirement for indoor public places will help keep the number of cases in check.

With the arrival of recent coronavirus variants, data suggest that people who become severely sick are doing so more quickly, said Dr. Mark Ghaly, California’s health and human services secretary. “So the impact on hospitals might be quicker,” he said. Also, with state officials not planning to reimpose stay-at-home orders this winter, hospitals will face challenges they did not last year, Ghaly said.

Ghaly said hospital capacity remains a challenge , particularly in San Bernardino and Riverside counties, across the Central Valley and in the eastern Sierra and the rural north. A number of hospitals throughout the state are busier than usual for this time of year, and staffs are exhausted from battling the nearly 2-year-old historic pandemic. Still looming is the pent-up demand for healthcare needs that have been postponed during the pandemic.

Dr. Regina Chinsio-Kwong, a deputy health officer for Orange County, said that even without factoring in the virus’ newly emerged Omicron variant, the county will need to brace for the possibility of a COVID-19 surge.

“Unfortunately, yes, our hospitals are having to relook at their surge plans with the staffing shortages that they have been experiencing to brace themselves again for a very, very busy winter,” Chinsio-Kwong said Friday.

In Los Angeles County, growing vaccination rates have helped to reduce the burden on hospitals; during last year’s surges, 15% to 20% of coronavirus cases led to hospitalizations, but for this summer’s Delta surge, about 5% to 6% of cases led to hospitalizations.

That “really reflects the power of those vaccines,” Los Angeles County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said recently.

“But we worry about a strain on the hospital care system. We have a really noted ongoing staffing shortage issue at many of our hospitals,” Ferrer said.

“So while I don’t anticipate us being hit anywhere near as hard as we were hit last winter, it’s all relative,” Ferrer said. “And our job is to really do our very best to make sure people know what they can do to try and avoid getting a serious illness associated with COVID.”

COVID-19 cases in California have risen by almost 50% in the last 2½ weeks, and hospitalizations for the virus are up by nearly 15%. County health officials across the state said they suspect those numbers could reflect the start of a winter jump in cases.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention ranks California as having a high level of transmission of the coronavirus, the worst classification on the federal agency’s four-tier scale.


California is approaching a statewide COVID-19 death toll of 75,000. The national death total is nearing 800,000.

Evidence makes it clear that masks help reduce transmission of the virus , Ghaly said. The coronavirus is airborne and can spread from infected people even if they are asymptomatic.

“Even a 10% increase in indoor masking can reduce case transmission significantly,” Ghaly said. “Wearing a mask is going to be one of the most important things to help us get through this period of uncertainty.”

California’s statewide mask mandate for indoor public spaces goes into effect on Wednesday.

The order will affect roughly half the state’s population, including San Diego and Orange counties, the Inland Empire, and swaths of the Central Valley and rural Northern California. The order is currently scheduled to last a month, expiring on Jan. 15.

A number of California counties — including Los Angeles, Ventura and Sacramento — and most of the San Francisco Bay Area already have their own indoor mask mandates that were implemented in the summer and have no end dates.
https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... inter-wave


In my county San Bernardino only 55% of residents are fully vaccinated and in my town it's 45% fully vaccinated. The positive is most people do wear masks when they're out in my area and as of tomorrow everyone will be required to wear them.
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featureless wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 4:28 pm Cornell University's Ithica campus is closing due to a Covid spike. Just in time for finals.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/14/us/corne ... index.html

An Ivy League university closing its main campus and we aren't even into the worst month with the Omicron variant. Wonder how many other universities will end up closing their campuses and returning to fully online classes.
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My 16 y/o son just got diagnosed with COVID! I’m sure he got it from school or work. He wears a mask so who knows. Thankfully both he and the rest of us are all vaccinated (with the exception of my 3 y/o) son. He is quarantined at his moms house right n his room. Thankfully his mom and my oldest daughter (I have joint custody of my oldest 2 with my ex-wife) both tested negative. Screws up all our Christmas plans and he’s going to have to cancel a trip to AZ to see my “outlaws.” I won’t get to see him until after the 10 days.


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Hope your son does OK recovering from Covid without much lingering after-effects.

BTW, masks we don does little to prevent catching the virus, but everything to prevent spreading it.
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Bisbee wrote:Hope your son does OK recovering from Covid without much lingering after-effects.
Being 16 he’s the only one who either didnt get a booster or the shot within a month. We found out he was eligible for the booster exactly when he was diagnosed yesterday.

So I think the rest of us have likely better immunity with recent shots.


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INVICTVS138 wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:22 pm My 16 y/o son just got diagnosed with COVID! I’m sure he got it from school or work. He wears a mask so who knows. Thankfully both he and the rest of us are all vaccinated (with the exception of my 3 y/o) son. He is quarantined at his moms house right n his room. Thankfully his mom and my oldest daughter (I have joint custody of my oldest 2 with my ex-wife) both tested negative. Screws up all our Christmas plans and he’s going to have to cancel a trip to AZ to see my “outlaws.” I won’t get to see him until after the 10 days.


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Oof. Hope he recovers quickly and fully. And the rest of you remain free and clear.

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Hope your son recovers quickly Invictus. Being young with a strong immune system really helps vs us oldsters. Maybe a video camera could be rigged up so he could share in some of the celebrations. 6 days ago CDC did approve boosters for his age group, but it might not have been enough time for it to work.
Dr. Dan Barouch, director of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston, told ABC News that the body will start to increase antibodies within a few days of the shot.

But you will still need two weeks for peak immunity to return.

“There is a meaningful increase in antibody titers by one week and peak responses at two weeks following mRNA boosting,” Barouch said.
https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/202 ... ke-to-work

Did you really want him to go see the "outlaws"?
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highdesert wrote: Did you really want him to go see the "outlaws"?
Haha - I actually really like my ex-wife’s mom and step dad. I never had any issues with them, and they were reasonably ‘neutral’ during our divorce, and have been good grandparents all the way.

Heck - we used to shoot USPSA & Single stack together (haven’t shot with him since they moved to AZ.).

So yeah, I’m bummed he misses out on the trip. Step father “out-law” usually takes him shooting out there too.

Thankfully my ex is safe with Covid precautions & not a trumper. Could be a lot worse.


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Hoping for a speedy recovery, Invictvs. At least the vaccine should protect against serious illness, and hybrid immunity is reportedly the strongest. Protecting your youngest is a huge challenge - good luck. Just got the rest of my homestead shot up as far as the law allows.

CD- saw that graph yesterday. Probably reading the same sources. I am convinced the colors on that first wave were what convinced Donny to say "screw it," and let the pandemic run. Running up the death toll in NYC and NJ probably seemed like a great opportunity for him - never mind that it wasn't enough to touch his electoral math. The reversal of fortune in the second wave probably saved our bacon - I still don't understand how they motivated so many people to come out and join team demagogue, except culture wars, casual racism, and gun policy.

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