Hog Hunting in the North?

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Feral Pigs Roam the South. Now Even Northern States Aren’t Safe: The swine have established themselves in Canada and are encroaching on border states like Montana and North Dakota.

“It’s not natural dispersion,” Dr. Nolte said. “We have every reason to believe they are being moved in the backs of pickup trucks and released to create hunting opportunities.”

In the United States, their stronghold is the South — about half of the nation’s six million feral pigs live in Texas. But in the past 30 years, the hogs have expanded their range to 38 states from 17.

Many experts thought the pigs couldn’t thrive in cold climates. But they burrow into the snow in winter, creating so-called pigloos — a tunnel or cave with a foot or two of snow on top for insulation. Many have developed thick coats of fur.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/16/scie ... e=Homepage
HELENA, Mont. — Ranchers and government officials here are keeping watch on an enemy army gathering to the north, along the border with Canada. The invaders are big, testy, tenacious — and they’ll eat absolutely anything.

Feral pigs are widely considered to be the most destructive invasive species in the United States. They can do remarkable damage to the ecosystem, wrecking crops and hunting animals like birds and amphibians to near extinction.

They have wrecked military planes on runways. And although attacks on people are extremely rare, in November feral hogs killed a woman in Texas who was arriving for work in the early morning hours.

“Generally an invasive species is detrimental to one crop, or are introduced into waterways and hurt the fish,” said Dale Nolte, manager of the feral swine program at the Department of Agriculture. “But feral swine are destructive across the board and impact all sectors.”

Wild pigs occupy the “largest global range of any nondomesticated terrestrial mammal on earth,” researchers in Canada recently concluded. They have roamed parts of North America for centuries.

But in recent decades, the pigs have been expanding their range — or more accurately, people have been expanding it for them.

“It’s not natural dispersion,” Dr. Nolte said. “We have every reason to believe they are being moved in the backs of pickup trucks and released to create hunting opportunities.”

In the United States, their stronghold is the South — about half of the nation’s six million feral pigs live in Texas. But in the past 30 years, the hogs have expanded their range to 38 states from 17.

Eurasian boar first arrived in Canada in the 1980s and 1990s, imported as livestock or for hunting. They escaped or were released, and sometimes mated with domestic pigs. Their descendants have become common across the Canadian prairie.

Many experts thought the pigs couldn’t thrive in cold climates. But they burrow into the snow in winter, creating so-called pigloos — a tunnel or cave with a foot or two of snow on top for insulation. Many have developed thick coats of fur.

Now they are poised to invade states along the border, threatening to establish a new beachhead in this country.

“It’s concerning that Canada isn’t doing anything about it,” said Maggie Nutter, one of 80 concerned ranchers and farmers who met recently near Sweet Grass, Mont., to discuss the potential swine invasion. “What do you do to get them to control their wild hog population?”

States and federal agencies are monitoring the border. Should the pigs advance, wildlife officials plan an air assault, hunting the pigs from planes with high-tech equipment like night-vision goggles and thermal-imaging scopes. They’re testing waterways for pig DNA, and turning to more traditional approaches — hunting dogs and shotguns.

Why the worry? The harm caused by snuffling, gobbling wild hogs is the stuff of legend. The damage in the United States is estimated to be $1.5 billion annually, but likely closer to $2.5 billion, Dr. Nolte said.

They are very smart and can be very big — a Georgia pig called Hogzilla is believed to have weighed at least 800 pounds — and populations grow rapidly. Each female is capable of birthing at least two litters a year of six or more piglets.

“Nature’s rototillers,” experts have said. Feral pigs don’t browse the landscape; they dig out plants by the root, and lots of them. Big hogs can chew up acres of crops in a single night, destroying pastures, tearing out fences, digging up irrigation systems, polluting water supplies.

“Pigs will literally eat anything,” said Dr. Ryan Brook, a professor of animal science at the University of Saskatchewan in Canada.

“They eat ground-nesting birds — eggs and young and adults,” Dr. Brook said. “They eat frogs. They eat salamanders. They are huge on insect larvae. I’ve heard of them taking adult white-tailed deer.”

A recent study found that mammal and bird communities are 26 percent less diverse in forests where feral pigs are present. Sea turtles are an especially egregious example.

“Feral swine dig up nests and eat the eggs or consume the baby turtles,” Dr. Nolte said. “We have taken feral swine and in necropsies shown their entire stomach and intestines are full of baby sea turtles.”

Feral swine have caused extensive damage to cultural and historical sites. The invaders cause $36 million a year in damage to vehicles alone.

“Hitting a two- or three-hundred-pound pig on a highway is not that much different than hitting a two- or three-hundred-pound rock,” Dr. Nolte said. Two F-16 fighter jets have crashed after they hit pigs on the runway.

The swine are also reservoirs for at least 32 diseases, including bovine tuberculosis, brucellosis and leptospirosis. Outbreaks of E. coli in spinach and lettuce have been blamed on feral hogs defecating in farm fields.

There are reports that people have contracted hepatitis and brucellosis from butchering the animals after hunting.

“If an animal disease like African swine fever or hoof-and-mouth gets into these animals, it will be almost impossible to stop,” said Dr. William Karesh, a veterinarian who works for EcoHealth Alliance, an organization that studies animal disease. “It will shut down our livestock industry.”

Many countries are frantically trying to contain a global outbreak of African swine fever, which may necessitate the slaughter of a quarter of the world’s domestic pigs. Denmark has built a pig-proof fence along its border with Germany to keep wild boar from entering and infecting domestic pigs.

In the United States, pig hunting is a popular sport, but biologists caution that it is not always the solution to the nation’s feral pig problem.

In states where populations are not established, hunting creates an incentive for people to distribute feral pigs for sport. Hunting makes the animals warier and scatters sounders, or family groups, which go on to multiply in new family groups.

But where pigs are already well established, hunting can reduce their numbers. Gunning feral pigs from helicopters with semiautomatic weapons is a popular sport in Texas. (There are no hunting seasons for feral swine in the state; the animals, which cause $400 million in crop damage in the state annually, can be shot year round.)

Feral hogs are the descendants of swine brought by European explorers in the 16th century; Hernando De Soto, the Spanish explorer, is credited with introducing them to the New World.

Explorers released pigs as they traveled, and then hunted them for food when they returned to the area. Later, Eurasian wild boar were imported to North America for hunting. In many places the boar and the feral domestic hogs interbred.

This crossbreeding has resulted in a well adapted animal, Dr. Brook said: “It’s created a super pig.”
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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DispositionMatrix wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:21 am For years we have had them along the VT-NH border, and now they are in southeastern NH.
Huh. Raises the question of who exactly is the owner of a "wild" pig. "In New Hampshire, feral swine are considered escaped private property and may only be hunted with permission of their owner."

http://www.eregulations.com/newhampshir ... ral-swine/

And from this summer in Vermont:

https://www.ourherald.com/articles/fera ... -randolph/

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wooglin wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:53 am
DispositionMatrix wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:21 am For years we have had them along the VT-NH border, and now they are in southeastern NH.
Huh. Raises the question of who exactly is the owner of a "wild" pig. "In New Hampshire, feral swine are considered escaped private property and may only be hunted with permission of their owner."

http://www.eregulations.com/newhampshir ... ral-swine/

And from this summer in Vermont:

https://www.ourherald.com/articles/fera ... -randolph/
Well, ours all only understand French and eat poutine.

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In many places this is seen as a "rural" problem and until hogs get into urban areas and children and animals are threatened it won't get all the resources it needs.
From trampling fields to eating crops, wild hogs are tearing a path of destruction across southeast Texas. On an early November morning in Chambers County [greater Houston area], a pack of hogs attacked and killed 59-year-old Christine Rollins outside of the home where she worked as a caregiver. The Jefferson County Medical Examiner ruled her death as “exsanguination due to feral hog assault." She bled to death.

With a population in the millions and growing each year, the threat wild hogs bring to property and people is rising. “Damage to lawns is caused by pigs rooting for grubs underneath the grass,” said Mike Bodenchuk, the director of Texas Wildlife Services. “Watering your lawn to keep the grubs down will avoid pig damage.” Bodenchuk’s agency is tasked with protecting humans, agriculture and other natural resources by removing feral hogs.

“While feral hogs are considered a game animal in most places, nowhere in the world are they controlled by hunters," Bodenchuk said. Bodenchuk estimates Texas’ feral hog population is between 1.5 million and 3 million, and growing. “Wildlife services and many landowners use trapping, snaring or shooting to remove feral hogs,” Bodenchuk said. “While this is effective, it must be an intensive effort to get to the population control level.”
Wild hogs are nocturnal and are usually out in the early morning hours. That’s when Christine Rollins was attacked -- before the sun came up. Still, attacks on humans are extremely rare, and unprovoked attacks even rarer still.

Bodenchuk warned that if you find feral hogs on your property, make loud noises to startle them away, but never walk into a pack of them. “Feral hogs, like all wildlife, can become habituated to people,” Bodenchuk said. “We recommend people don’t allow them on the property, scare them off to avoid that habituation.”
https://www.click2houston.com/features/ ... g-problem/
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Makes me wonder if they will cross breed with Javelinas in the southwest! Those are destructive as well. And they will chase you if your walking your dog. Not as big as russian boar.
Had a friend get tree'd after he stumbled upon a pack bedded down. He had to drop his rifle and run. If there's baby piggies around, run for your life.
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Yes, they will crossbreed. They have been crossbreeding in the wild and I cannot imagine why they wouldn't continue. That is (partially) how they adapt to the newer climates. Watch out for pigloos in the snow!
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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They are fairly close to the part of Mn I live in. North west Wisc has them and I suppose it is just a matter of time before they are sited in Mn. None of my neighbors raise pigs, so if I see any I will just assume they are feral. Also every pig that I raised years ago was either a sow or a barrow so if they ever escaped they would not breed in the wilds. I have heard of people who think it would be cool to raise pigs and let them keep their tusks and nuts, big mistake I know of one case where the big boar gutted an expensive horse, tough lesson for dumb people to learn. They can be extremely nasty.

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“It’s not natural dispersion...” Takes a special kind of evil to drive feral pigs north and release them to create a new hunting opportunity.
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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All this talk about Boar is making me hungry. You can buy Boar meat now on Amazon. Here little piggy.
Wild boar is a lean cut of meat with the great taste of wild pork without the fat found on your typical pork. They are not administered any antibiotics, hormones, or any chemicals or additives. Very hardy, unlike the pig, wild boar is not prone to illness or disease. Healthy animals become a healthy dinner for you.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,”

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Bisbee wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:33 pm “It’s not natural dispersion...” Takes a special kind of evil to drive feral pigs north and release them to create a new hunting opportunity.
Have you met Don Jr and his followers?
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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tonguengroover wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:56 pm All this talk about Boar is making me hungry. You can buy Boar meat now on Amazon. Here little piggy.
Wild boar is a lean cut of meat with the great taste of wild pork without the fat found on your typical pork. They are not administered any antibiotics, hormones, or any chemicals or additives. Very hardy, unlike the pig, wild boar is not prone to illness or disease. Healthy animals become a healthy dinner for you.
I used to feed dogs food made from wild boar. It is a little more expensive, but I wanted to help support the hunters.

They can't eat that stuff anymore, though. Special diets. Very old dogs.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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K9s wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:05 pm “It’s not natural dispersion,” Dr. Nolte said. “We have every reason to believe they are being moved in the backs of pickup trucks and released to create hunting opportunities.”
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tonguengroover wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:19 pm Makes me wonder if they will cross breed with Javelinas in the southwest!
Javelinas are very different species and only look piggish, TMK.
YankeeTarheel wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:07 pm Curiously, "Swimming With the Piggies" is a popular tourist attraction on one small cay.
Don't play with your food!
senorgrand wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:42 am Time to get a 44 or 454 wheelgun. The pigalypse is coming
The "Pig Bomb" went off in the 90s. Thought to be an effect of climate change with less harsh winters, but this would counter that thought.

Does anyone recall the recent twitterbacle over "30-50 feral hogs"?

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K9s wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:00 pm
Bisbee wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:33 pm “It’s not natural dispersion...” Takes a special kind of evil to drive feral pigs north and release them to create a new hunting opportunity.
Have you met Don Jr and his followers?
Those guys (Don Jr. and friends) are strictly trophy hunters, to hang heads on the wall. You don't think they actually eat the meat do ya?
Pick-up trucks hauling wild boars across state lines?? Doubt it. I'm kinda leaning toward those damned monsters travel a lot by themselves. And until someone proves people are hauling them north I'm not really on board with that. Boars are very prolific, and have taken over the south all by themselves.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,”

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tonguengroover wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:49 pm
K9s wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:00 pm
Bisbee wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:33 pm “It’s not natural dispersion...” Takes a special kind of evil to drive feral pigs north and release them to create a new hunting opportunity.
Have you met Don Jr and his followers?
Those guys (Don Jr. and friends) are strictly trophy hunters, to hang heads on the wall. You don't think they actually eat the meat do ya?
Pick-up trucks hauling wild boars across state lines?? Doubt it. I'm kinda leaning toward those damned monsters travel a lot by themselves. And until someone proves people are hauling them north I'm not really on board with that. Boars are very prolific, and have taken over the south all by themselves.
I agree that the pickup truck thing is probably just part of the problem. It has happened, though. They are tough creatures and may survive the apocalypse with roaches.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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K9s wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:05 pm I agree that the pickup truck thing is probably just part of the problem. It has happened, though. They are tough creatures and may survive the apocalypse with roaches.
Agreed. It's happened across the warmer states for areas to be "seeded" for private hunting opportunities. Kill 'em all. And make BBQ.

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In Wisc there has been some evidence of pigs being introduced for dog training purposes. You can legally use dogs for hunting bears there. There was also some guy from Texas who was a guide for pig hunting that was caught trying to plant hogs for future expansion to Wisc for his growing business. Hard to say what caused it but so far they have not yet reached Mn.

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When Don Jr was still married he spent most weekends in the fall on their land upstate deer hunting. Butchering it himself and cooking it for his kids because he wanted them to grow up eating wild meat. His primary efforts at hunting are back pack hunting these days in the Canadian Rockies, I'm guessing for sheep or goats. He understands he has a very limited amount of time left when he will be physically able to do that type of hunting. Few are in good enough shape to do those hunts into their 40s. Currently he is very reticent about his hunting, and there are no photos or first hand accounts. Most recently he hunted in Mongolia as part of a very quick in and out in a few days type thing, the only remarks by guides etc were that they were impressed with his ability to cut up the animal. I doubt he is much more of a trophy hunter than anyone else.

I'm more a Bernie Sanders type voter, and don't like Trump or the kinds of people he or his kid hang out with (other than the guides probably), but as far as ethically, I've no reason to doubt he is a fairly ethical hunter.

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tagsoup wrote: Wed Dec 25, 2019 7:19 pm When Don Jr was still married he spent most weekends in the fall on their land upstate deer hunting. Butchering it himself and cooking it for his kids because he wanted them to grow up eating wild meat. His primary efforts at hunting are back pack hunting these days in the Canadian Rockies, I'm guessing for sheep or goats. He understands he has a very limited amount of time left when he will be physically able to do that type of hunting. Few are in good enough shape to do those hunts into their 40s. Currently he is very reticent about his hunting, and there are no photos or first hand accounts. Most recently he hunted in Mongolia as part of a very quick in and out in a few days type thing, the only remarks by guides etc were that they were impressed with his ability to cut up the animal. I doubt he is much more of a trophy hunter than anyone else.

I'm more a Bernie Sanders type voter, and don't like Trump or the kinds of people he or his kid hang out with (other than the guides probably), but as far as ethically, I've no reason to doubt he is a fairly ethical hunter.
Actually, there was a lot of coverage about his Mongolia hunt and he posted pictures on Instagram.

He illegally killed an endangered animal and got a retroactive permit afterwards - because his dad is POTUS.

https://www.propublica.org/article/trum ... ered-sheep
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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Great link K9, and thanks for posting it. Your link provided more info than the typical story which were all of a kind. Outrage and some old photos from Africa usually. I think the instagram photos were of someone else and were removed. The photos of Don Jr were all non hunting. Often photos are shared between hunters and the local hunters who guide. It's a shame that those who contribute the most to conservation are hounded and doxed by people who know nothing of the issues involved.

I missed the part where anyone said his hunt was "illegal", couldn't find it. It sounded not much different than how many hunts are conducted in foreign countries. A license is only issued for a successful hunt. They are controlling for the number and sex of species taken and for very specific bachelor groups. They might even have had a specific animal in mind. A license is needed for all of the permits to ship the hide and horns back to the US. The auction was from the non political side of the NRA and might well of cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Auctions are a common way to raise funds for specific species and is done throughout the Western US by state agencies, as well as by private groups such as the Mule Deer Association, Safari Club International, the Elk Foundation, etc. Wealthy people paying small fortunes to hunt trophies might rub against our egalitarian tendencies but more than anything else, it conserves species, for the most part it is the only thing conserving many species worldwide.

So four or five years ago, Jr, who was just getting into sheep hunting at the time, purchased a tag at auction. The tag was probably supplied to the NRA at cost by someone with connections to Mongolia and who could assure a hunt there. Someone in the article suggested that the only reason for permission was because of the Trump Sr connection. I'm sure the Mongolians liked it but I think fifty or so are taken in that country yearly, probably by people no one has ever heard of, more than likely rich Texans.

Argali are not listed as endangered in Mongolia, either by our USFWS or by the international rating agency IUCN https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/157 ... on-actions Worldwide they are listed as "Near Threatened" by the IUCN and in Mongolia we list them as "threatened". In general our govt only allows hunting of "endangered" under very specific circumstances. The USFWS has a very good write up about how and why hunting argali as practiced in Mongolia (and as was done by Don Jr) benefits the conservation of the species. https://www.fws.gov/news/blog/index.cfm ... gali-Sheep Ratings are shown for every species on their wiki page over on the right hand side. Though near threatened is the second from lowest (which is called "least concern"), species such as the argali populations should be carefully monitored. There is a continuing conflict between those who live in a species habitat and might well consider a species a threat or competition for grazing land, and between those who wish to conserve species. So far, regulated sport hunting is the only method able to bridge that divide.

The pro publica article was professionally reported, but it sounded as if they were continually fishing for negative things to say or an instance where Trump had done something wrong, and they found nothing. In tone Pro Publica set back the conservation of Argali if by nothing else than by framing it as something bad that was done. They had the opportunity to promote the conservation of this and other threatened species and they wiffed.

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