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BearCat with roof gunner used in ICE op in Queens
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:22 pm
by DispositionMatrix
Sparks Panic In Queens During Firearms Bust
An ICE spokesperson confirmed that one individual was taken into custody on an unspecified criminal arrest warrant. A spokesperson for Mayor Bill de Blasio said the agents were there as part of a federal investigation into a firearms suspect, who was allegedly found to have been hoarding "about 50 guns, including a machine gun, gun parts and ammunition."
People feel terrorized," said Raquel Namuche, an organizer with the Ridgewood Tenants Union. "This happened right across from a youth program for children as young as four-years-old and there seemed to be no safety protocols in place. For people to leave their homes early in the morning and see a tank out on the street is just wild."
Definitely overkill but certainly not a "tank."
Councilmember Antonio Reynoso also expressed frustration about the incident, pointing to constant fear in immigrant neighborhoods about the potential for raids and deportations. "I do not understand what necessitated ICE’s use of a tank other than the simple desire to instill fear amongst our community members," he said in a statement to Gothamist. "At this time, we must ensure that residents are connected to resources like the Immigrant Defense Project so that they are equipped to know their rights against ICE."
Again with the "tank" bit.
Re: BearCat with roof gunner used in ICE op in Queens
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:24 pm
by shinzen
Not a tank, but holy shit that's overkill.
Re: BearCat with roof gunner used in ICE op in Queens
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:54 pm
by ErikO
It would not be recoverable without using heavy equipment recovery methods, so 'tank' might just work here.
Re: BearCat with roof gunner used in ICE op in Queens
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:49 am
by CDFingers
This thread might take the prize for the title most likely to elicit multiple, multiple interpretations.
This has nothing to do with guns. Guy is trying to move the magnetic North pole. Duh. Or maybe a Game of Thrones thing? ;-)
In all seriousness, cops never know what they're going to encounter.
CDFingers
Re: BearCat with roof gunner used in ICE op in Queens
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:01 am
by lurker
i saw this thread late last night and wrote and deleted 3 different responses to it before i decided best not to reply at all.
i thought i was a collector with my ~ 20 guns, parts, ammo and accoutrements, but apparently i'm a hoarder-in-training.
armored personnel carrier, APC. tanks have tracks.
yes, seems like overkill but if i were one of those cops i'd want some backup on standby.
Re: BearCat with roof gunner used in ICE op in Queens
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:12 am
by Marlene
This is about terrorizing people, not about what’s necessary for some nominal task.
Re: BearCat with roof gunner used in ICE op in Queens
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:12 am
by DispositionMatrix
lurker wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:01 am
i saw this thread late last night and wrote and deleted 3 different responses to it before i decided best not to reply at all.
i thought i was a collector with my ~ 20 guns, parts, ammo and accoutrements, but apparently i'm a hoarder-in-training.
The narrative needs to be if you
own firearms, you are "hoarding" them.
lurker wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:01 am
armored personnel carrier, APC. tanks have tracks.
A BearCat is a downmarket version of an APC. But calling it a "tank" dovetails well with semi-automatic carbines being called machine guns and/or assault rifles by those who seek to maximize drama.
Re: BearCat with roof gunner used in ICE op in Queens
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:49 am
by MayhemVI
I'm OK with calling it a Tank. And I'd be pissed if I saw one in my neighborhood. And I'd be calling it a Tank too.
And when I read the title I was trying to understand "roof gunner", "ICE", and a Ruger single-action .22 in the same sentence.
Re: BearCat with roof gunner used in ICE op in Queens
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:12 am
by lurker
Marlene wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:12 am
This is about terrorizing people, not about what’s necessary for some nominal task.
after everything is said and done, this.
hi, sarcheer. stop by the new member intro thread and tell us about yourself!
Re: BearCat with roof gunner used in ICE op in Queens
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:27 am
by senorgrand
First, there is no conceivable reason ICE would need an armored vehicle, except to terrorize folks.
Second, unless the suspect is an illegal, why is ICE in on a firearms bust? Where is ATF??
Third, residents of this country are not the enemy and the police are not occupying soldiers. End the Drug War and end the militarization of our police.
Re: BearCat with roof gunner used in ICE op in Queens
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:55 am
by featureless
Why on earth would LEO (replace acronym as necessary) make an arrest on a suspected "gun hoarder" at the place they "hoard" those guns?
Re: BearCat with roof gunner used in ICE op in Queens
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:00 pm
by senorgrand
featureless wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:55 am
Why on earth would LEO (replace acronym as necessary) make an arrest on a suspected "gun hoarder" at the place they "hoard" those guns?
Because "tank".
What's the point if you can't play soldier?
Re: BearCat with roof gunner used in ICE op in Queens
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:01 pm
by JohnNewell
featureless wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:55 am
Why on earth would LEO (replace acronym as necessary) make an arrest on a suspected "gun hoarder" at the place they "hoard" those guns?
Got that one right. They probably could have picked the guy up when he went to work. Or ran out for milk or beer.
As an aside, the Florida Highway Patrol had these Vietnam-era armored vehicles decades ago --
- FHP armored vehicle.jpg (22.23 KiB) Viewed 1310 times
Re: BearCat with roof gunner used in ICE op in Queens
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:03 pm
by DispositionMatrix
JohnNewell wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:01 pm
featureless wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:55 am
Why on earth would LEO (replace acronym as necessary) make an arrest on a suspected "gun hoarder" at the place they "hoard" those guns?
Got that one right. They probably could have picked the guy up when he went to work. Or ran out for milk or beer.
As an aside, the Florida Highway Patrol had these Vietnam-era armored vehicles decades ago --
FHP armored vehicle.jpg
The same could be said of many no-knock raids.
Re: BearCat with roof gunner used in ICE op in Queens
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:09 pm
by featureless
DispositionMatrix wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:03 pm
The same could be said of many no-knock raids.
Precisely.
Re: BearCat with roof gunner used in ICE op in Queens
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:38 pm
by JohnNewell
featureless wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:09 pm
DispositionMatrix wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:03 pm
The same could be said of many no-knock raids.
Precisely.
Totally agreed. Too much violence.