“To Most Idahoans, A Plague of Locusts Is Californians.”

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“To Most Idahoans, A Plague of Locusts Is Californians.”

#1 Post by highdesert » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:37 am

BOISE, Idaho — This city sure knows how to roll up the welcome mat — that is, if you happen to move here from California. Just consider last week’s mayoral election. It was the most competitive race in recent memory, a referendum on growth in the rapidly expanding capital of Idaho. And candidate Wayne Richey ran on a very simple platform: Stop the California invasion. His basic plan to fulfill that campaign promise? “Trash the place.”

Richey figured that would be the best way to keep deep-pocketed Golden Staters from moving to his leafy hometown. He blames them for pushing home prices and rents up so high that Boiseans can’t afford to live here on the meager wages most Idaho jobs pay.At a candidate forum in late October, he had a terse answer for the question: “If you were king or queen for the day, what one thing would you do to improve Boise?”

“A $26-billion wall,” he said, laughing, drawing out each word for maximum emphasis. As in build one. Around Idaho. California bashing is a cyclical sport with a long history in the heart of Idaho’s Treasure Valley. Growth spurts have more than doubled Boise’s population since the 1980 census. Four months before federal counters hit the streets here that year, a Washington Post headline crowed, “To Most Idahoans, A Plague of Locusts Is Californians.”

In this current wave, California concerns have made their way into a heated mayor’s race. They have taken up residence on Nextdoor social networks. And they erupted into a recent tweet storm that swirled around two beloved institutions, Boise State University and football. The electronic uproar caused residents all the way up to Mayor David Bieter to defend their city’s welcoming nature and insist that they like Californians, really they do, despite evidence to the contrary. The Twitter squall started in late September, when former Boise State University football player Tyler Rausa went out to his car one day. There he found a professionally printed card, white with an elegant charcoal gray and gold border. It had a nicely centered, two-line message in all capital letters.

GO BACK TO CALIFORNIA

WE DON’T WANT YOU HERE

He posted it online with a very short response: “Hmmmm didn’t think I’d ever find this on my car in Boise. #ThankYou.” Rausa was a talented kicker for the Broncos in the 2015 and 2016 seasons. He scored 219 points for the team then. He is now an NFL free agent. He still lives in Boise. But he kept his California license plates.

The response to his tweet was swift, voluminous and mostly open-hearted. “I hope they are ashamed of themselves,” wrote @NitroJen. “Idaho: The PNW’s Mississippi,” posted @AbsoluteKit, referring to the Pacific Northwest. “Screw them!” @someone tweeted. “You are more than welcome here!” Then Bieter chimed in. “@T_Rausa, I hope you take all of the positive comments you received here as the real spirit of Boise and #BoiseKind,” the mayor wrote. “We are glad you are here and part of our great community.”

One bit of advice Rausa got during the online fracas was that he should change those California plates — and fast. That’s been a longtime refrain from friendly Boiseans to their newest neighbors. The Rev. Bill Roscoe, chief executive of the Boise Rescue Mission Ministries, heard it from his Realtor when he moved to Boise from Redding in 2002. He keeps a sign on his desk that says, “I am not from Idaho but I got here as fast as I could.” “If you come here and love it, everything’s fine,” Roscoe said. “If you come here and fly that California flag in your driveway and have stickers on your car that say, ‘Santa Cruz,’ there’s going to be some hard feelings.”
So where did all the hostility come from? Sheer numbers, for certain. A January report from the Idaho Department of Labor said that the Gem State was tied with Nevada as the fastest growing in the nation. The agency also reported that more Californians are moving here than transplants from any other state.

Boise Regional Realtors countered with its own report that softened the California blow a little. Of the top 11 counties sending new residents to the Boise area, six were from other parts of Idaho, and only three — Riverside, San Bernardino and Orange — were from California. Which brings us to the heart of the problem: Income inequality. Anyone moving to Boise from another part of Idaho is still saddled with the same bottom-of-the-barrel minimum wage, an anemic $7.25 an hour. So it’s most likely not the Idahoans who are driving up home prices and filling up rental properties, because they can’t afford to.

The median home price in Ada County, where Boise is located, has risen 19.3% since February 2018, according to the Idaho Statesman. It is now a whopping (for Idaho) $349,994. Conversely, the vacancy rate for apartments in the price range of the county’s lowest-income residents was 0.45% as of Oct. 18, according to housingidaho.com. Boise needs 1,000 new housing units each year for the next decade, according to officials in this city of 228,000. That’s just not happening.

Critics of the way the city has handled the explosive growth have become more vocal in recent years. That discontent has fueled one of the more competitive mayor’s races in memory. Bieter, who is running for his fifth term, faced six competitors, including Richey, the head of the Ada County Highway District Commission, a former mayor who resigned in disgrace and was jailed on corruption charges, and the president of his own City Council. Bieter declined to comment about growth and the mayor’s race. Critics argue that he has embraced development at any cost. Voters gave him a stiff rebuke Tuesday, forcing him into a Dec. 3 runoff against City Council President Lauren McLean.

The most recent Treasure Valley Survey, conducted by the Idaho Policy Institute at Boise State University, does not bode well for anyone who would run this city in coming years. It was conducted in late 2018 and released in June. More than 70% of respondents said the region is growing too fast, compared with only 50% with that view in 2016.
“It’s really, really hard to swallow,” he said, “when somebody sells their house in California for $700,000, comes here, buys any house they want in cash and still has money in the bank. “Their kids get to go to college,” he continued. “They drive nice cars. And they get to enjoy everything we built over the years. We don’t get to enjoy it, because we’re working 40 hours a week and doing craft shows and doing yard sales.”

One salvo in Richey’s battle against newcomers was his property tax proposal, which he called Proposition Zero One Two Three. His basic tenet: The longer you live here, the less you pay. Sixty-year residents would pay no property taxes, while newcomers would shoulder the burden. “This gives much needed relief to longtime residents and forces new people to pay their share,” he said on his Facebook page. “Maybe it just might make them think twice about moving here. It would also discourage out-

Probably the same thing that Floridians think of New Yorkers when they retire in FL.
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#2 Post by TrueTexan » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:29 am

They're just now having that problem? Here in Texas we have had that problem for decades it has just become worse in the last few years. Unfortunately many of the Californians moving here are of the conservative side of the house. They are the ones that voted for the likes of Devin Nunes. Come on we already have enough of those type of voters. I have a plan to correct the issue. For every conservative that moves here from California we require three liberal Californians to also move here or we send you two batshit crazy conservative Texans or the likes from other states that have moved here. The alternative plan is to give our homeless population in Austin and the DFW metro area a one way non-refundable bus ticket to their choice of two cities in California, ether LA or San Fransisco.

I feel this would be a fair balance.
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#3 Post by VodoundaVinci » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:50 am

The Conservative Texans I know see just the opposite - Crazy Liberals bringing "Socialism" and Gun Control with them by fleeing California resulting in (nearly - with Beto) turning the state Blue. Many Texans on the Conservative/Right Wing plagued gun forums see Texas going Blue as Virginia did earlier this week.

Fascinating watching this from both perspectives having family in Texas - both sides think they are screwed. Guess what?

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#4 Post by highdesert » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:56 am

For every conservative that moves here from California we require three liberal Californians to also move here or we send you two batshit crazy conservative Texans or the likes from other states that have moved here.
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From an earlier LAT article I didn't post, sorry TT.
The Volkswagen SUV whizzed past the Texas state line, a U-Haul trailer in tow, as it made its way toward Amarillo. “Yay!” Judy Stark cried out to her husband, Richard, as they officially left California. The pair bobbed their heads to ’50s music playing on the radio. Like many voters who lean to the right in California, the retired couple have decided to leave the state. A major reason, Stark and her spouse say, is their disenchantment with deep-blue California’s liberal political culture. Despite spending most of their lives in the Golden State, they were fed up with high taxes, lukewarm support for local law enforcement, and policies they believe have thrown open the doors to illegal immigration.

Just over half of California’s registered voters have considered leaving the state, according to a UC Berkeley Institute of Governmental Studies poll conducted for the Los Angeles Times. Republicans were nearly three times as likely as their Democratic counterparts to seriously have considered moving — 40% compared with 14%, the poll found. Conservatives mentioned taxes and California’s political culture as a reason for leaving more frequently than they cited the state’s soaring housing costs.

Stark and her husband decided it was time to put their Modesto home up for sale about six months ago. After doing some research online, she came across the website Conservative Move, which, as its name suggests, helps conservatives in California relocate from liberal states to redder ones, such as Texas and Idaho. Pulled over at a Pilot truck stop just outside Amarillo, Stark said she was excited to be hours from their final destination, Collin County, near Dallas. The pair purchased a newly constructed three-bedroom home in McKinney for about $300,000. In much of California, Stark said, a similar home would run about twice as much.
Between 2007 and 2016, California lost 1 million residents to domestic migration — about 2.5% of its total population, according to a 2018 report from the state Legislative Analyst’s Office. Texas was the most popular destination. A 2019 relocation study by Texas Realtors found that 63,175 Californians moved to Texas in 2017, while California was the top destination for Texans to move — nearly 41,000 relocated here. Despite overall out-migration from the state, California has been gaining people with higher incomes. The Bay Area has absorbed most of the influx of those residents.

Over the last decade, the Legislative Analyst’s Office report said, the state added about 100,000 residents with household incomes of $120,000 or higher. About 85% of these higher-income earners moved to the Bay Area counties of Alameda, Contra Costa, San Francisco, San Mateo and Santa Clara.
But California’s soaring real estate costs also have sent many residents fleeing to more affordable regions. The three-member Bailey family moved to Prosper, Texas, in 2017, seeking a reprieve from Southern California’s high price tags. Marie Bailey and her husband, Scott, owned a home in Orange County and rented a place in El Segundo to be closer to Scott’s workplace in Santa Monica.

“To buy a house there [El Segundo] is insane,” Marie Bailey said. “It’s like $1 million. Why are we working our butts off for a fixer-upper in El Segundo? We’re just working, working, working — and for what?” A Realtor, Bailey launched a Facebook group for others who were struggling with the same problems and looking to make a change. Her “Move to Texas From California!” group now has more than 14,000 members. Most, Bailey said, lean to the right, as she does — though not all.
“I wouldn’t be one to put up a Trump sign, even here,” Bailey, 40, said. “But in your town Facebook, people would be like, ‘We know who the Trump supporters are.’ I had friends who voted for Trump and went to work the next day and pretended they didn’t.”
“Actually moving is much more high-cost,” said Ryan Enos, a professor of government at Harvard University. “That doesn’t mean some won’t eventually move, but the evidence that people move solely based on politics is low.”

Most people, he added, care more about the quality of schools, affordable housing and the overall quality of life when they consider a move.

Clayton Nall, an assistant professor of political science at Stanford University, said it’s “very possible” that the Republicans who want to leave California may decide to move for the reasons Enos noted — such as affordability — while blaming Democrats for those problems they see in the state.

“But it’s important to put in context that they are not the only people who are leaving,” Nall said. “Their reason may not be the main reason people are leaving California.”

Indeed, the Berkeley IGS poll found that 82% of the 18- to 29-year-olds considering leaving the state cited housing costs as a reason, as did nearly 80% of 30- to 39-year-olds.
https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... ns-leaving

You have a good chance TT of getting some of those 18 to 29 year olds who are probably not died in the wool right wingers. Californian's are californicating everywhere.
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#5 Post by TrueTexan » Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:18 pm

Those 18 to 29 year olds won't be buying a house as the housing prices here have sky rocketed along with a building boom. What is interesting is the next census is projected to show Texas becoming a minority majority state with the majority of residents being people of color. This is causing a panic upheaval in the Reptilian conservative white population. Collin county was the county of white flight from Dallas starting in the 1980s. The county has seen a great boom in the housing market as more people have moved here. Give you an idea what the people see as important for their area. The new high school in Prosper, Collin County just got a new football stadium built for 48 million dollars. Frisco's school district gets to use parts of the Dallas Cowboys training area. McKinney has become the the middle class area while areas such as Prosper have become home too many of the Dallas Cowboys and other wealthy people. Collin county has seen a shift in voting becoming more blue. Dallas county is blue and Tarrant County, Fort Worth is going Purple. The rural areas of Texas will stay Red from now to doomsday. but their population is shrinking at a rapid rate because no jobs, no real future. The young move to the metro areas and the old die off. The metro areas are blue to purple and going more blue so Texas is in for a change. Going to be interesting what the legislature does after the 2020 census. I predict a big court fight over redistricting.
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#6 Post by YankeeTarheel » Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:47 pm

Without California, Oregon, and Washington, where are they gonna sell a signif % of their potatoes? Everything is fucking connected but those red-neck, MAGA-hatted pea-brains don't understand that.
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#7 Post by K9s » Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:24 pm

I remember being a kid and hearing the same argument in the 1970s. Californians came in with money to "take advantage" of low land and housing prices. In my pro-Nixon-even-after-impeachment area, it was just a way to blame someone else (e.g. Californians, Mexican immigrants) for rural poverty. I have lived in many US states and it's the same game everywhere.

GOP oligarchy screws the workers and farmers and blames liberals and foreigners - and their voters believe them. It's an American tradition.
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#8 Post by TrueTexan » Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:21 pm

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I remember being a kid and hearing the same argument in the 1970s. Californians came in with money to "take advantage" of low land and housing prices. In my pro-Nixon-even-after-impeachment area, it was just a way to blame someone else (e.g. Californians, Mexican immigrants) for rural poverty. I have lived in many US states and it's the same game everywhere.

GOP oligarchy screws the workers and farmers and blames liberals and foreigners - and their voters believe them. It's an American tradition.
Heard some of the same when the Rustbelt manufacturing collapsed. It was those workers that demanded to much coming to take jobs from honest hard working Texans. Then the same when manually moved factories to the Mexican side of the border under NAFTA. Then it was Mexicans stealing jobs. Never would blame it on the corporate management wanting higher profits at the expense of the workers.
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#9 Post by YankeeTarheel » Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:34 pm

Yeah, "stealing jobs" (that nobody wants) while we have "The lowest unemployment rates in the history of the GALAXY!"
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#10 Post by K9s » Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:03 pm

When I lived in Europe (80s), it was the Pakistani immigrants that were "stealing jobs" from workers. Of course, that was based on far-right Soviet-backed propaganda. I knew no one who actually felt that way there. Same game to divide and conquer, different countries.
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#11 Post by Marlene » Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:34 pm

K9s wrote:
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When I lived in Europe (80s), it was the Pakistani immigrants that were "stealing jobs" from workers. Of course, that was based on far-right Soviet-backed propaganda. I knew no one who actually felt that way there. Same game to divide and conquer, different countries.
The Soviet Union backed far-right propaganda in Western Europe in the 1980s? That's an interesting story I've never heard before.

In California, douchey bro-grammers from Idaho come and earn zillions and drive locals out of all of our cities. Those locals are forced to relocate to dead suburbs and ex-urbs like Redding, marginally raising housing costs and making Idaho look attractive to white people from Redding. Predictably, when white people are forced to suffer the indignities of capitalism usually reserved for people of color, people in Idaho freak out and blame the jews.
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#12 Post by YankeeTarheel » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:59 pm

Marlene wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:34 pm
K9s wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:03 pm
When I lived in Europe (80s), it was the Pakistani immigrants that were "stealing jobs" from workers. Of course, that was based on far-right Soviet-backed propaganda. I knew no one who actually felt that way there. Same game to divide and conquer, different countries.
The Soviet Union backed far-right propaganda in Western Europe in the 1980s? That's an interesting story I've never heard before.

In California, douchey bro-grammers from Idaho come and earn zillions and drive locals out of all of our cities. Those locals are forced to relocate to dead suburbs and ex-urbs like Redding, marginally raising housing costs and making Idaho look attractive to white people from Redding. Predictably, when white people are forced to suffer the indignities of capitalism usually reserved for people of color, people in Idaho freak out and blame the jews.
Sheesh, Maureen, that really sucks. We stayed in Redding in May and it seemed nice.

K9, I was in Europe for a semester in 1976, 20 years old, in Bruges. I found it really disconcerting that EVERYONE was lily white, with an occasional, rare Asian. At the time I still saw myself as a New Yorker with its polyglot society. I had spent the previous 2 summers working as a "grip" (stage hand) on the New York Shakespeare Festival's Mobile Theater going all around to the City's worst neighborhood, and our crews were as mixed as the City itself. So Bruges, as much as I loved it (and still remember it fondly) was, how to put it, just "wrong". When I went into Brussels or to Paris, it was far more familiar as there were all kinds of people there.

Then I went to visit friends in Scotland on Spring Break, in and around Glasgow. For the first time I heard immigrants called "Pakis", as pejorative as the N-word, yet people had no problem calling Pakistani immigrants that. They saw these quiet people, running little shops (like bodegas here) as some kind of threat. It was, and still is sickening.
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#13 Post by K9s » Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:18 pm

Yes, the only real diversity I saw were the soldiers in winter training exercises there.

Marlene, I hadn't heard that term: bro-grammers. Very good term: "a male computer programmer who engages in stereotypically male-oriented activities and macho behavior."
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#14 Post by CDFingers » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:10 am

Why is it that repubs have to hide from other ideas? (Rhetorical question)

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#15 Post by lurker » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:17 am

because they're in denial. they may never be the rich planters, but at least they can be overseers, but they do have to respect the authoritarian hierarchy.
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