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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#101 Post by K9s » Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:37 pm

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Bloomberg has said taxes should be raised to force poor people to make better decisions. We all support that, right? Taxes on anything unhealthy, and "free" healthcare in return.
I think his plan is to get control and become president, then use taxes to take the wealth away from the american population for their own good. Disarm the population so they can't fight back.
I think he actually can purchase what he wants. Not this presidential election, but the next. This is setting up a foundation nationwide for future rule.
That is a false choice. I don't know any candidate who wants to tax sodas and tobacco for free healthcare. It wouldn't work. Sales taxes hurt the poor and would never raise enough money, and they know that. Literally "no one ever" suggested that.

Bloomberg isn't trying to "take control" of America to screw the poor with sales taxes and disarm the populace. GOP does that (but they don't disarm most white people). The GOP also likes to spin conspiracy theories about Jewish billionaires with nefarious motives (e.g. Soros), so be vigilant.
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#102 Post by SubRosa » Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:01 pm

Ah, Buffoonberg.

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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#103 Post by lurker » Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:09 pm

what does bloomberg have? money, and with money comes privilege, entitlement and a sense of superiority. what more do you need, except possibly more money?
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#104 Post by NegativeApproach » Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:13 pm

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i dont see any merit to bloomy except... he's not donald trump. if he's the nominee, i'll hold my nose and pull the lever. meanwhile, i'm not hearing any buzz, but then i don't run in those circles. i think a centrist could win here, but antigun is not centrist.
Bloomberg is to the right of Trump on many issues. He's for the school-to-prison pipeline, he blames the poor for being poor, and he has no interest in the right for people to defend himself. Just like Trump, he's in this for himself.

Trump is the worst president we've ever had. Bloomberg would be worse.

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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#105 Post by K9s » Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:09 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html
Mike Bloomberg was presiding over his inaugural Bloomberg New Economy Forum in Singapore in 2018 when, to the surprise of some in the audience, he gushed about one of China’s top government officials.

Vice President Wang Qishan was “the most influential political figure in China and in the world,” Bloomberg said, breaking from a prepared text that had said the keynote speaker was “one of” the most influential. Bloomberg noted that he and Wang had first met at Bloomberg’s home 15 years earlier, when he was mayor of New York and Wang was mayor of Beijing, and he praised the vice president for helping lead China “through a period of extraordinary growth.”

Then in September, amid mass pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong and human rights activists decrying China’s imprisonment of Muslim minorities, Bloomberg seemed to go out of his way to defend Beijing, saying in a television interview that President Xi Jinping “is not a dictator.” Bloomberg said Xi “has to satisfy his constituents or he’s not going to survive.” Pressed by the interviewer, Bloomberg said Xi “has a constituency to respond to . . . they really are responsive.”

If President Trump’s unprecedented decision to retain ownership of his global real estate business has tested the limits of America’s ethics laws and traditions, sparking lawsuits and allegations of influence by foreign interests, a Bloomberg presidency could present a whole new level of overseas entanglements — with China as a prime example.

Tensions have grown between Washington and Beijing in recent years amid trade disputes, clashes over democracy and human rights, and disagreements over China’s efforts to expand its influence around the world. Yet Bloomberg, who is spending tens of millions of dollars of his own money to compete for the Democratic presidential nomination, has deepened his entanglements with that key U.S. adversary — forging close financial ties there while showering praise on the Communist Party leaders whose goodwill is required to play a role in that fast-growing market.

The billionaire, whose core business sells financial information to investors, has led efforts since 2015 to make it easier for U.S. companies to trade in Chinese currency, a move embraced by China’s largest banks. He expanded one of his company’s financial indexes, which could steer $150 billion into China while earning his firm an undisclosed amount in fees.
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#106 Post by senorgrand » Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:19 pm

It’s sickening...kiss a dictator’s ass in public...just like our current bafoon from nyc
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#107 Post by VodoundaVinci » Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:37 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... e=emb_logo

Posting this for a friend....friends don't let friends support Bloomberg.

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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#108 Post by K9s » Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:35 pm

He started off telling us that no one was better than him. He knows more than those with experience. He is the only path to victory. He has close ties to foreign money. Sound like Trump or Bush? We never needed another billionaire in the race.
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#109 Post by lurker » Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:02 pm

VodoundaVinci wrote:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... e=emb_logo

Posting this for a friend....friends don't let friends support Bloomberg.

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thanks for this. point taken. i guess i'll just have to decide if the time comes. hitler/stalin/moussolini?
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#111 Post by highdesert » Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:12 pm

CN is right about Bloomberg. Bloomberg gave a New York City answer, the South, Midwest and the West are not NYC he's out of touch. He can piss his money away as long as he likes, he's not going to win the WH.
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#112 Post by K9s » Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:28 pm

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CN is right about Bloomberg. Bloomberg gave a New York City answer, the South, Midwest and the West are not NYC he's out of touch. He can piss his money away as long as he likes, he's not going to win the WH.
I am not so sure he even realizes it. He is probably surrounded by people who make money off this, so they won't tell him how out of touch he is.
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#113 Post by senorgrand » Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:43 pm

K9s wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:28 pm
highdesert wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:12 pm
CN is right about Bloomberg. Bloomberg gave a New York City answer, the South, Midwest and the West are not NYC he's out of touch. He can piss his money away as long as he likes, he's not going to win the WH.
I am not so sure he even realizes it. He is probably surrounded by people who make money off this, so they won't tell him how out of touch he is.
Yup...political consultants get paid way more when they tell their clients what they want to hear...
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#114 Post by shinzen » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:58 am

For the money he is wasting on this run (over 100 million already), he could personally fund Ceasefire programs nationally and have a real impact on homicides. But the vanity of billionaires knows no bounds.
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#115 Post by K9s » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:28 pm

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For the money he is wasting on this run (over 100 million already), he could personally fund Ceasefire programs nationally and have a real impact on homicides. But the vanity of billionaires knows no bounds.
Or fund several candidates to flip the US Senate and flip some red state houses.

Oh, well.... ego.
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#116 Post by DispositionMatrix » Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:03 pm

PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES’ GUN CONTROL: AVERAGE AMERICANS CAN’T BE TRUSTED
“It’s the job of law enforcement to have guns and to decide when to shoot,” Bloomberg explained at a campaign stop in Montgomery, Ala. “You just do not want the average citizen carrying a gun in a crowded place.”

That’s telling for the guy who wants to take the oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution. Maybe his oath will include exception clauses that will negate the Second Amendment, or the 2008 Heller decision that affirmed the Second Amendment is an individual “right of the People,” not the police.

Bloomberg’s dismissal of fundamental rights goes beyond ignorance, but willfully dismisses the legal actions taken by at least six other parishioners who also drew their concealed firearms yet chose not to fire. Bloomberg’s fact-burying might be because it’s exactly what undermines his gun-grabbing argument. Here is a case of armed and trained citizens who were in a crowded place and didn’t fire their firearms.

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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#117 Post by K9s » Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:07 pm

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Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:03 pm
PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES’ GUN CONTROL: AVERAGE AMERICANS CAN’T BE TRUSTED
“It’s the job of law enforcement to have guns and to decide when to shoot,” Bloomberg explained at a campaign stop in Montgomery, Ala. “You just do not want the average citizen carrying a gun in a crowded place.”

That’s telling for the guy who wants to take the oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution. Maybe his oath will include exception clauses that will negate the Second Amendment, or the 2008 Heller decision that affirmed the Second Amendment is an individual “right of the People,” not the police.

Bloomberg’s dismissal of fundamental rights goes beyond ignorance, but willfully dismisses the legal actions taken by at least six other parishioners who also drew their concealed firearms yet chose not to fire. Bloomberg’s fact-burying might be because it’s exactly what undermines his gun-grabbing argument. Here is a case of armed and trained citizens who were in a crowded place and didn’t fire their firearms.
I am sure Trump would agree if the NRA wasn't backing him.
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#118 Post by senorgrand » Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:31 pm

Because cops never shot anyone who didn’t deserve it...
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#119 Post by highdesert » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:55 pm

US President Donald Trump and his would-be Democratic challenger Michael Bloomberg will air duelling Super Bowl ads, each costing about $10m (£7.6m). The deep-pocketed Bloomberg campaign has secured a 60-second slot next month targeting the president. The Trump campaign's Super Bowl purchase is also for a minute. The game on 2 February is America's biggest annual sporting event and is expected to be watched by more than 100 million people in the US alone. It boasts some of the most expensive television commercial slots of the year.

The National Football League final will be staged on the eve of the Iowa caucuses, the first in a series of state-by-state votes to pick the Democratic candidate who will eventually challenge Mr Trump, a Republican, for the White House in November's election. Mr Bloomberg is one of 14 candidates vying to be the Democratic standard-bearer. He has unleashed an onslaught of campaign spending since jumping into the presidential race relatively late, back in November.

He has spent more on digital and TV advertising than any other candidate so far, almost $170m, according to ad tracking firm Advertising Analytics. It predicts Mr Bloomberg may spend up to $400m on ads over the next crucial couple of months. In March, voters from 13 US states will pick their preferred Democratic White House candidate in an electoral bonanza known as Super Tuesday.

A spokesman for the Bloomberg campaign told the New York Times the "biggest point" of the Super Bowl ad "is getting under Trump's skin".By "taking the fight to Trump", Michael Frazier said, "the ad is part of Mike's strategy of running a national campaign that focuses on states where the general election will be decided, parts of the country that are often overlooked". The Trump campaign's Super Bowl purchase, first reported by Politico, is expected to entail either a single minute-long advert, or two separate 30-second commercials.

"Super Bowl ad is an indicator that the @realDonaldTrump campaign is ramping up as 2020 begins," tweeted the Trump campaign's communication director Tim Murtaugh. "Also big plans to spend on outreach to women, blacks, Latinos & religious voters." The splurge represents just a fraction of Mr Trump and Mr Bloomberg's bulging campaign war chests.

Last week, the Trump campaign announced it had raised a combined $463m with the Republican National Committee last year. For Mr Bloomberg, his self-financed campaign's spending will barely make a dent in his personal fortune. The former New York City mayor's net worth is $52bn, according to Forbes - 17 times more than Mr Trump. Last month, Mr Bloomberg denied trying to buy the White House, telling CBS News of his Democratic rivals: "I'm doing exactly the same thing they're doing, except that I am using my own money. "Nobody gives you money if they don't expect something. And I don't want to be bought."

Announcing his candidacy, the businessman said he was standing to "defeat Donald Trump". Mr Trump taunted "little Michael", saying his fellow New York tycoon "doesn't have the magic" to make it to the White House.
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#120 Post by K9s » Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:55 am

I do wonder if this Superbowl ad and the Bloomberg ads will help drain GOP resources bit by bit. Every $10M ad buy for Trump's ego is that much less the GOP can spend on senate races. Every little bit helps.
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#121 Post by senorgrand » Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:16 am

Just remember which candidate spent the most in 2016. Unlimited money couldn’t save New Coke because no one wanted to drink it.
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#122 Post by highdesert » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:36 am

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Just remember which candidate spent the most in 2016. Unlimited money couldn’t save New Coke because no one wanted to drink it.
You're right, in 2016 Clinton outspent Trump in the campaign. However Bloomberg's big spending has him running in 5th place and he hasn't appeared in any debates. He's running 4th in FL, plenty of retired New Yorkers there. In one MI poll I saw Bloomberg was running second after Biden. Steyer has been running ads in SC and he's running 4th there. The battle of the billionaires.
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#123 Post by YankeeTarheel » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:48 am

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Just remember which candidate spent the most in 2016. Unlimited money couldn’t save New Coke because no one wanted to drink it.
You're right, in 2016 Clinton outspent Trump in the campaign. However Bloomberg's big spending has him running in 5th place and he hasn't appeared in any debates. He's running 4th in FL, plenty of retired New Yorkers there. In one MI poll I saw Bloomberg was running second after Biden. Steyer has been running ads in SC and he's running 4th there. The battle of the billionaires.
It's how you spend it. Clinton wasted hundreds of millions on constant TV ads when the money would have been far more effective on voter registration drives, arranging free transportation, and on legal teams to battle voter suppression.
But that's one of the MANY things wrong with the so-called Democratic "leadership".
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#124 Post by K9s » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:17 pm

YankeeTarheel wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:48 am
highdesert wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:36 am
senorgrand wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:16 am
Just remember which candidate spent the most in 2016. Unlimited money couldn’t save New Coke because no one wanted to drink it.
You're right, in 2016 Clinton outspent Trump in the campaign. However Bloomberg's big spending has him running in 5th place and he hasn't appeared in any debates. He's running 4th in FL, plenty of retired New Yorkers there. In one MI poll I saw Bloomberg was running second after Biden. Steyer has been running ads in SC and he's running 4th there. The battle of the billionaires.
It's how you spend it. Clinton wasted hundreds of millions on constant TV ads when the money would have been far more effective on voter registration drives, arranging free transportation, and on legal teams to battle voter suppression.
But that's one of the MANY things wrong with the so-called Democratic "leadership".
Absolutely true. I cannot tell you how many pro-Trump ads I see online. Does anyone watch TV ads or remember them (unless they are funny or clever)? It's like polling voters on landlines.

Democratic "machine" politics doesn't work so well anymore. We, the people, are going to have to save ourselves.
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Re: Michael Bloomberg 2020

#125 Post by highdesert » Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:48 pm

Another method of looking at candidates is betting odds, though I'll take polling over betting odds. The average is Biden first, Sanders second and Bloomberg third. Again all the Bloomberg money spent on ads might be having an effect.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elect ... omination/

I'm open to voting for whoever Democrats nominate, but I'd have a really hard time voting for Bloomberg.
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