Trump adds ‘formal objection’ to his impeachment antics

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He says the House can't have impeachment because they did vote to start the investigation.
The White House is preparing to formally object to Democrats’ impeachment inquiry as soon as Friday, saying it won’t cooperate with the probe because it was initiated without a vote of the House.

The White House Counsel’s Office was preparing to send a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi objecting to the form of the impeachment investigation, a person familiar with the matter said late Thursday, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the letter before its dissemination.

Pelosi last week announced that the House was beginning the formal inquiry but didn’t seek the consent of the full chamber, as was done for impeachment investigations into former Presidents Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton.

Rudy Giuliani, the president’s personal attorney, confirmed that the letter was forthcoming.

Trump allies have suggested for days that without a formal vote, the House is merely conducting standard oversight, entitling lawmakers to a lesser level of disclosure from the administration. The Justice Department raised similar arguments last month, though that was before Pelosi announced the impeachment investigation.

In a letter Thursday to House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, Pelosi argued, “There is no requirement under the Constitution, under House Rules, or House precedent that the whole House vote before proceeding with an impeachment inquiry.”

There’s no clear-cut procedure in the Constitution for launching an impeachment inquiry, leaving many of these questions about obstruction untested in court, said Allan Lichtman, a history professor at American University.

“There’s no specification in the Constitution in what does and does not constitute a more formal impeachment inquiry or investigation,” he said. “One can argue if they’re in an impeachment investigation, they’re in an impeachment.”

Giuliani dismissed the entire premise of the impeachment inquiry, which is centered on Trump asking Ukraine to investigate his possible political rival, former Vice President Joe Biden.

“The president was not tasking Ukraine to investigate a political opponent,” Giuliani told The Associated Press on Thursday. “He wanted an investigation into a seriously conflicted former vice president of the United States who damaged the reputation of the United States in Ukraine.”

Democrats have sought to use their declared impeachment investigation to bolster their case to access all sorts of documents from the administration, most recently secret grand jury information that underpinned special counsel Robert Mueller’s report on Russian interference in the 2016 election. They have also threatened to use the administration’s refusal to turn over documents and make witnesses available to potentially form an article of impeachment over “obstruction” of the congressional inquiry.

Where courts have generally required congressional oversight requests to demonstrate a legitimate legislative purpose, impeachment requests could be wide-ranging.

It is unclear if Democrats would wade into a lengthy legal fight with the administration over documents and testimony or if they would just move straight to considering articles of impeachment.

Pelosi has sought to avoid a vote on the impeachment probe for the same reason she resisted, for months, liberal calls to try to remove the president: It would force moderate House Democrats to make a politically risky vote.

The White House, meanwhile, is trying to force the question on Democrats, as it seeks to raise the political cost for their impeachment investigation and to animate the president’s supporters ahead of the 2020 election.
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Now he can scream FAKE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. Gives Moscow Mitch an out to stop the trial if the House vote to impeach.
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Re: Trump adds ‘formal objection’ to his impeachment antics

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CDFingers wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:57 am I don't think the plan actually is to impeach this schlubb. I think the House will just keep exposing shit up until, say, next November. The approval of the R party and this skivvie-stain will hover in the single digits, locking them out of power for decades.

Yeah, I'm an American optimist. So shoot me. :-)

CDFingers
Unfortunately the Dems thought that same result would happen after Bush left office in 2008.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

Re: Trump adds ‘formal objection’ to his impeachment antics

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CDFingers wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:57 am I don't think the plan actually is to impeach this schlubb. I think the House will just keep exposing shit up until, say, next November. The approval of the R party and this skivvie-stain will hover in the single digits, locking them out of power for decades.

Yeah, I'm an American optimist. So shoot me. :-)

CDFingers
That too is what I think Pelosi's strategy is, she knows that in an election year even if Trump shoots someone on 5th Ave, Senate Republicans won't vote to convict and remove him. A wounded and bleeding Trump over scandal and abuse of power is more vulnerable. Then we need to start cutting the wings of the US presidency so no future WH occupant has this much power.

The glass is half full not have empty.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Re: Trump adds ‘formal objection’ to his impeachment antics

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CDFingers wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:57 am I don't think the plan actually is to impeach this schlubb. I think the House will just keep exposing shit up until, say, next November. The approval of the R party and this skivvie-stain will hover in the single digits, locking them out of power for decades.

Yeah, I'm an American optimist. So shoot me. :-)

CDFingers
Pelosi is trying to keep her "moderates" from getting successfully primaried by DSA and Justice Democrats. Without impeachment, these folks were sitting ducks in 2020. This isn't about what is right, or they would have hauled people into jail or court for ignoring subpoenas and lying to Congress.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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I think this is another "Lucy and the Football" and the Dems can't fall for it.

Now, it's they need a "formal vote on Impeachment Inquiry" to respect the subpoena.
So what happens if they actually vote?

Trump will move the goal posts: "Oh, that's not a REAL Impeachment Inquiry. You must have Articles of Impeachment."

So, say they're dumb enough to fall for it it again and vote for Articles of Impeachment?
Then it will be: "Oh, you've established Articles of Impeachment. We can't give you anything until the trial in the Senate!"

Then they'll refuse to turn it over again, and the Senate acquits for lack of evidence.

All BULLSHIT!
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

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I think everyone sees that. We also know his main goal is to delay things. Like a 10-year-old, he just needs stern warnings, real consequences, and concrete actions to be taken.

Trump/GOP problem is that they keep using the same tricks over and over. Everyone knows what they are doing and almost every move can be predicted. In the past, it was shocking. Now, it is old news. For example, some GOP Reps left the hearings early yesterday, lied to the cameras, and told Trump something. Trump immediately publicly invites Ukraine and China to investigate Biden. Anyone paying attention knew... we were about to find out about China now and he was putting this out ahead of time.

If the Dems keep things moving and ignore his noise, they can make something happen. No one knows if any of it will mean anything in 2020, but they cannot just keep putting up with the same stuff and expect voters to vote for them again.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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