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I dunno if he's right: If the Ukraine thing is worse than:
Rigging the 2016 election with the help of a foreign HOSTILE power
or
Totally undermining the separation of powers
or
Working hard to be an autocratic dictator with no accountability.

But I do agree Trump's gotta go.
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

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Shep Smith,
Chris Wallace
Andrew Napolitano
Juan Williams all openly hostile to Trump

Even some of the more reliable ones like Cavuto and even Ingraham are openly uneasy with Trump and Giuliani.
"Off the Record" even Hannity is worried though on the air he's still a staunch supporter.

Since Roger Ailes left and died, Fox is not nearly as determined to have all reporters and analysts follow in lock-step (other than the designated token house liberals).
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

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Collectively, Republicans want to keep Trump popular so they can keep winning elections. In our era of increasingly nationalized politics, most Republicans can’t run independently of the president, even if they want to. Perhaps recognizing this, many have instead tied themselves more closely to him. Trump defines the Republican Party brand as president, so if Trump is unpopular, the Republican Party is unpopular, which would likely spell steep electoral losses for the party.

The only way this dynamic changes is if the entire Republican Party apparatus (not just politicians, but also media commentators and surrogates) turns on Trump en masse. But for this to happen, somebody still has to speak up first, and others have to follow. But it could happen. Let’s use political scientist Timur Kuran’s classic work, “Private Truth, Public Lies: The Social Consequences of Preference Falsification,” as a guide to understanding major political transformations. He argues that political regimes can persist despite being unpopular, which is why a government overthrow, when it does come, can often seem so sudden.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/if ... l-at-once/

All at once, bless their hearts.

CDFingers
Neoliberals are cowards

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YankeeTarheel wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:26 am Shep Smith,
Chris Wallace
Andrew Napolitano
Juan Williams all openly hostile to Trump

Even some of the more reliable ones like Cavuto and even Ingraham are openly uneasy with Trump and Giuliani.
"Off the Record" even Hannity is worried though on the air he's still a staunch supporter.

Since Roger Ailes left and died, Fox is not nearly as determined to have all reporters and analysts follow in lock-step (other than the designated token house liberals).
Some Republicans have come out in favor of the House Intel investigation, but not in favor of impeachment. One is the Republican House member in NV. I can't see establishment Republicans being overjoyed with the Trumpization of their party, even with his religious ties Pence is much more to their liking. I agree, Ailes was much more of an ideologue than Rupert Murdoch who is running Fox now. He seems more pragmatic.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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Reading the comments of the Crazy Rightwing Event Organizers (tm) on social media more and more are denouncing Trump, largely because of his bumpstock ban. Not a majority, but the trend is interesting. And we've noticed lately that the organizers for neo-fascist Latinos for Trump are setting up alternative organizations.

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JohnNewell wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:36 pm Reading the comments of the Crazy Rightwing Event Organizers (tm) on social media more and more are denouncing Trump, largely because of his bumpstock ban. Not a majority, but the trend is interesting. And we've noticed lately that the organizers for neo-fascist Latinos for Trump are setting up alternative organizations.
I think Latinos for Trump is a sham/shadow organization (like Jexodus) and the rest to allow Trump voters to believe they weren't in a white nationalist party.

Any "Latino" who would fear "taco trucks on every corner" is not really an American patriot. Sounds like a whacko or mercenary. Who doesn't want "taco trucks on every corner"??
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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The main strip street passing my subdivision, running from 410 to 1604 has approximately 4 taco vendors per block on average - approx. 9 mi. in length.

FDT/ABT
"Being Republican is more than a difference of opinion - it's a character flaw." "COVID can fix STUPID!"
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In a sign that the right-wing media's relentless defense of President Donald Trump may be cracking, Fox News host Tucker Carlson published an op-ed with Daily Caller co-founder and publisher Neil Patel zinging Trump for his call with Ukraine's president. "Donald Trump should not have been on the phone with a foreign head of state encouraging another country to investigate his political opponent, Joe Biden," Carlson and Patel wrote. "Some Republicans are trying, but there's no way to spin this as a good idea."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/05/media/tu ... index.html

And on Friday, Mitt Romney criticized Trump,
"By all appearances, the President's brazen and unprecedented appeal to China and to Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden is wrong and appalling."
And of course Trump attacked Romney today with his usual vulgar language. Utahans will take Romney over Trump. https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/04/politics ... index.html

And we wait and see if others criticize the vulgar loudmouth in the WH. More Donnie Drama on the horizon or as a foreign newspaper said the Trump Circus is in town.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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The 538 article gets it right. If / When Trump's support on the right collapses, it will be very sudden and obvious in hind site. The fact of the matter is that the House Democrats need to through hearings make it easier for Republicans to make that jump. If I was in the House's Democratic leadership, I'd strongly consider making sure that Rep. Justin Amash is on the committee investigating Trump's actions with regards to Ukraine.

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DavidMS wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:34 pm The 538 article gets it right. If / When Trump's support on the right collapses, it will be very sudden and obvious in hind site. The fact of the matter is that the House Democrats need to through hearings make it easier for Republicans to make that jump. If I was in the House's Democratic leadership, I'd strongly consider making sure that Rep. Justin Amash is on the committee investigating Trump's actions with regards to Ukraine.
And if they WH just refuses to cooperate (like they have all along)? Will GOP actually vote to impeach on the obvious "Obstruction"?
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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DavidMS wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:34 pm The 538 article gets it right. If / When Trump's support on the right collapses, it will be very sudden and obvious in hind site. The fact of the matter is that the House Democrats need to through hearings make it easier for Republicans to make that jump. If I was in the House's Democratic leadership, I'd strongly consider making sure that Rep. Justin Amash is on the committee investigating Trump's actions with regards to Ukraine.
I agree, Dr Drutman's 538 article hits some good points we just have to wait and see if senators from solidly red states start questioning Trump's actions. So far Carlson and Romney are saying that Trump was wrong, not that he should be impeached or removed from office. Baby steps.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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I think we are a long way from Trump support collapsing on the right-wing media and in Trump supporter crowds. If Fox abandons him, Info Wars and OAN will not.

Remember that Fox didn't support Trump and his supporters stopped watching in 2016 (they pushed Bush then Rubio). The supporters moved to Breitbart. They came back to Fox when Fox became Trump TV.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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Wino wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:26 pm The main strip street passing my subdivision, running from 410 to 1604 has approximately 4 taco vendors per block on average - approx. 9 mi. in length.

FDT/ABT
Sounds like you are in my neighborhood. PM me. Let's hangout and go shooting down here in San Antonio.
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K9s wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:40 pm
JohnNewell wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:36 pm Reading the comments of the Crazy Rightwing Event Organizers (tm) on social media more and more are denouncing Trump, largely because of his bumpstock ban. Not a majority, but the trend is interesting. And we've noticed lately that the organizers for neo-fascist Latinos for Trump are setting up alternative organizations.
I think Latinos for Trump is a sham/shadow organization (like Jexodus) and the rest to allow Trump voters to believe they weren't in a white nationalist party.

Any "Latino" who would fear "taco trucks on every corner" is not really an American patriot. Sounds like a whacko or mercenary. Who doesn't want "taco trucks on every corner"??

They drew 40 at their "national convention". A Houston newspaper rightfully pointed out that two (2) extreme right wing groups had events scheduled at the same time and place as Latinos for Trump. One of them was Texas Patriot Network and of those goons 2/3rds of them at a recent event were members of Soldiers of Odin, which is a seriously nazi group. We found coded nazi symbols on many of their social media accounts.

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