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Trump’s new argument: He’s immune from all criminal investigation in Tax case

Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:11 am
by TrueTexan
Lawyers for President Trump argue that the president is immune from all criminal investigations in a new federal lawsuit seeking to block New York prosecutors from obtaining his tax returns.

Trump sued his longtime accounting firm Mazars USA and Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance on Thursday, after Vance's office subpoenaed the firm to demand eight years of the president’s personal and corporate tax returns.

Department of Justice guidelines say a president cannot be prosecuted while in office, as former special counsel Robert Mueller made clear. But Trump’s personal attorneys are now going well beyond that by arguing that he also cannot be “investigated … or otherwise subjected to the criminal process.”

The suit also quoted a decision by then-appeals court Judge Brett Kavanaugh, who wrote in 2009 that investigations are “distracting” to the president, even though Kavanaugh himself was part of a years-long criminal investigation of former President Bill Clinton.

Constitutional law scholars told The New York Times that Trump’s lawyers’ position, if accepted by the judge, would “set a sweeping new precedent” but added that the attorneys’ theory was “not based on established case law.” Of course, the Constitution does not actually say that a president cannot be indicted. When Mueller earlier this year said that his office was prohibited from bringing charges against the president, he cited only a memo from the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel as the reason a president could not be indicted. Mueller also said in May that the DOJ “explicitly permits” the investigation of a sitting president.

“I think there is some force to the argument that states can’t be allowed to hobble presidents with local prosecutions, but there is certainly no authority for the claim that they cannot at least investigate while a president is in office,” University of Missouri law professor Frank Bowmann III told The Times.

Paul Rosenzweig, who along with Kavanaugh was a member of special prosecutor Ken Starr’s investigation into Clinton, told Vice News that he does not expect the argument to hold up in court.

“I think it’s clear that the president is engaged in an effort to conceal and delay,” he said. “It’s hard to say whether that’s because there’s something bad there, or because his entire life indicates a general instinct to conceal and delay.”

Vance subpoenaed Trump’s tax returns as part of his investigation into Trump’s role in hush money payments made to porn star Stormy Daniels. Trump and his company both reimbursed former Trump fixer Michael Cohen for at least parts of the $130,000 he admitted to paying Daniels to stay quiet about an affair she claims she had with Trump. Cohen pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations, along with other crimes, in relation to the hush money payment. Vance is now looking into whether Trump’s reimbursements also violated state laws.

Vance previously subpoenaed the Trump Organization, but after Trump’s lawyers resisted, the DA issued a subpoena to Trump’s accounting firm, Mazars. Trump’s lawyers argue in their court filing that the subpoena should be blocked until after Trump leaves office and accused Vance of a “bad faith effort to harass the president by obtaining and exposing his confidential financial information.”

Trump also sued after Mazars was previously subpoenaed by House Ways and Means Committee chairman Richard Neal, D-Mass., whose committee has very slowly moved to try to obtain the president’s tax returns.

After Vance’s subpoena, Mazars said in a statement that it will “respect the legal process and fully comply with its legal obligations.”
https://www.salon.com/2019/09/21/trumps ... n-lawsuit/

I'm just waiting to hear him say "I am not a crook."

Re: Trump’s new argument: He’s immune from all criminal investigation in Tax case

Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:48 am
by highdesert
Trump sued his longtime accounting firm Mazars USA and Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance on Thursday, after Vance's office subpoenaed the firm to demand eight years of the president’s personal and corporate tax returns.
I just hope that Vance's reason is not overtly political, that just feeds into the Donnie narrative of it's just politics. He might feel that he's immune under federal law, but state laws may differ. The state law suits will probably get to New York's highest court before the House lawsuits work their way through the federal courts. When his taxes do come out he'll have a lot of spinning to do, so will Fox but it will be fodder for investigative reporters.

Re: Trump’s new argument: He’s immune from all criminal investigation in Tax case

Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:54 am
by YankeeTarheel
It's been the ReThuglican political mantra since the 1994 election:
Democratic Presidents MUST be investigated, indicted, impeached.
Republican Presidents are above the law and may not be.

And...if a sitting President cannot be sued, how come HE gets to sue?

Any one who doesn't believe Trump is a criminal and a traitor drank the Kool-Aid.
Any one who KNOWS he's a criminal and a traitor, like MoscowMitch, William Barr, and Giuliani, are also criminal and traitors.

Re: Trump’s new argument: He’s immune from all criminal investigation in Tax case

Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:12 pm
by Wino
If this dumb ass can't multi-task or walk and chew gum at the same time, why the fuck is he in office?? Whose next Louie Gohmert??? Zeus help us all. Considering where we're heading, I guess I need to netflix TWD complete series to see and prepare for our future.