The Liberal Gun Club Forum

...a 63-year-old man with a concealed carry license shot a 16-year-old boy who was trying to rob him in the South Chicago neighborhood. The boy was hit in the knee. Police said the boy's gun turned out to be a replica.


...a man from Mount Prospect was driving in the 700 block of North Clark Street in Chicago when he saw three people attacking a man. The driver got out, walked toward the attackers -- all wearing surgical masks -- and pulled out his gun to scare them away. The man had a CCL, according to police.


...Dave Thomas heard screams in his Oswego apartment building, grabbed his AR-15 rifle and ran down the hall. He confronted a man who was stabbing another man and scared him off. Thomas is a gun instructor with a CCL.


...a man pulled into a lot on the Far South Side. A person standing nearby pointed a gun at him and tried to rob the man, who held a CCL. The man drew his own gun, and shot and seriously wounded the robber, officials said.


...CCL holder Diane McIntire placed her gun in the center console as she parked her truck at a Moline mall where she planned to buy vitamins. Moments later, she was approached by a stranger with a knife who cut her and demanded she drive him to a rural area. After driving with the man for dozens of miles, she was able to grab her gun and the man ran off. She drove herself to a hospital, officials said.


...a man walked into an auto parts store in Dolton, pulled a gun and demanded money from two workers and a customer, police said. The workers began running and the robber began firing. As he turned to leave the store, the customer -- a CCL holder -- pulled his gun and seriously wounded the robber, police said.


...a man in his 20s was walking down the street on the South Side when a 19-year-old man pulled out a gun and tried to rob him, according to police. The man, a CCL holder, pulled out his own gun and shot the robber in the head, killing him, police said. The CCL holder was hit in the hip.

Antiquus wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:17 pm Michigan was similar, and must include an hour of instruction from a LEO, judge, or member of the bar about legalities of carrying and especially use of deadly force. It opens a lot of eyes.

Eris wrote:This is why I think CCL training needs to be better than it is.

DMac wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:10 pm

Eris wrote:This is why I think CCL training needs to be better than it is.

What training short of boot camp would be better? You need to take a 16hr course and qualify with a pistol already.

I hate to be that guy, but local newspapers here are kinda trash. The Sun Times and Tribune both like to cherry pick data and monger fear. The state just got concealed carry, so now they have a new attack victim.

I have lived in Chicago most of my life and studied PoliSci here; I will keep saying this: All of the problems with this city comes back to hyper poverty and segregation. Some of the suburbs have similar problems as the city, Dolton being one that used to be an affluent neighborhood, but it's more crime ridden.

Not guns, not gentrification, not spray paint (banned in Chicago), not whatever mayor we have. Poverty and the fallout fun it create gangs and idiots like this.

Also gun crime is down btw in the state, including Chicago since we got CCW. Not saying it's correlated, just saying.

VodoundaVinci wrote:FWIW I think Illinois 16 hour training and a 30 round proficiency is way better than most but could be improved. Mostly in the proficiency department - I'd like to more training hours in actually drawing the weapon from concealment and delivering accurate fire. We had an excellent trainer who gave us an hour of drawing from concealment training and it showed that 90% of the class could barely get it done.

VooDoo

VodoundaVinci wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:53 am FWIW I think Illinois 16 hour training and a 30 round proficiency is way better than most but could be improved. Mostly in the proficiency department - I'd like to more training hours in actually drawing the weapon from concealment and delivering accurate fire. We had an excellent trainer who gave us an hour of drawing from concealment training and it showed that 90% of the class could barely get it done.

VooDoo