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Some people with guns just feed the anti-gun frenzy

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:13 am
by highdesert
More than 40 wild burros have been found shot and killed along the Interstate 15 near the Nevada state line, Federal officials said on Friday, and they’ve offered a reward of up to $18,000 for information leading to the arrest and conviction of those responsible. It is one of the largest killings of its kind on public land managed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management in Southern California, officials said. A total of 42 wild burro carcasses with gunshot wounds have been found in various states of decomposition near the freeway corridor through the Clark Mountain Herd Area managed by the Needles field office of the BLM.

“We will pursue every lead until we’ve arrested and prosecuted those responsible for these cruel, savage deaths,” said William Perry Pendley, the BLM’s Deputy Director for policy and programs, “and we welcome the public’s help to bring the perpetrator or perpetrators to justice.” Details about the ongoing investigation were scarce. However, BLM officials said the burros, including several juveniles, were shot in the neck with a rifle. Some were brought down while drinking water in the Halloran Springs area.

Animal protection organizations said they were outraged by the slaughter and have contributed thousands of dollars to the reward. “It’s a travesty that these animals would be gunned down,” said Grace Kuhn, spokeswoman for the nonprofit American Wild Horse Campaign. “There’ve been isolated incidents before over the years, but nothing on this scale in memory.” Neda DeMayo, president of the nonprofit Return to Freedom, said, “I’ve been told that at least one of the burros was still alive when it was discovered by a passerby. But it succumbed to its injuries by the time BLM investigators arrived on the scene.” “It’s all so unbelievable,” she added. “Crazy. Hostile. Cruel.”

Burros are not native to the West’s deserts, but they became some its most valued resources: sure-footed in rugged terrain, capable of carrying heavy loads long distances, and withstanding extremes in temperatures of cold and heat. In the 1920s and 30s, they were turned loose and replaced by Model-A Fords and other vehicles. Since then, they have multiplied without restraint with few predators to check their numbers. With populations that doubled every four to five years, they’ve managed to survive by feeding on the sage and wild growth of the Mojave Desert.

By the 1950s, wanton slaughter of wild burros in California’s desert and mountains had reached such proportions that the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals pressed for legislation to protect the creatures from trigger-happy hunters. One killing ground was Homewood Canyon, near Trona, about 240 miles northeast of Los Angeles, where the SPCA officials in 1953 reported a shocking scene: Over an area of 50 acres, they found 50 burro carcasses. Only a few had bullet holes in the head, indicating that most had been left wounded where they fell.

Today, the animals are protected from capture, branding, harassment or death under the Wild Free-Roaming Horses and Burros Act of 1971, which considers them an integral part of the natural system of public lands managed by the BLM. Violations of the act are subject to a fine of up to $2,000, or imprisonment for up to one year, or both, for each count charged.
https://www.latimes.com/environment/sto ... rd-offered

Re: Some people with guns just feed the anti-gun frenzy

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:12 pm
by max129
This is really sad. Wild burros are very benign creatures.

Re: Some people with guns just feed the anti-gun frenzy

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:44 pm
by YankeeTarheel
Clearly the REAL wild ass is the one killing them.

Re: Some people with guns just feed the anti-gun frenzy

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:47 pm
by Hiker
Yes, this is deplorable. As is those assholes that drive around country roads and shoot every dog that barks at them. As well as those assholes that shoot road signs. And I could go on and on with all the ways that gun owner are our worst enemy. They need a public spanking.

Re: Some people with guns just feed the anti-gun frenzy

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:10 pm
by max129
Hiker, I was with you until you got to Road Signs.

:sarcasm:

Re: Some people with guns just feed the anti-gun frenzy

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:19 pm
by YankeeTarheel
Hiker wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:47 pm Yes, this is deplorable. As is those assholes that drive around country roads and shoot every dog that barks at them. As well as those assholes that shoot road signs. And I could go on and on with all the ways that gun owner are our worst enemy. They need a public spanking.
And this is why the left insists we can't have nice things. Because infantile douchebags think guns are toys, other peoples' dogs are to be treating like biting insects, and that street signs are for target practice.
And that wild burros are "fun" to shoot and let die in suffering pain.

Re: Some people with guns just feed the anti-gun frenzy

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:59 pm
by K9s
And people wonder why I like dogs better than people most of the time....

Re: Some people with guns just feed the anti-gun frenzy

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:35 pm
by Marlene
I like guns, but I definitely don’t like gun people.

Re: Some people with guns just feed the anti-gun frenzy

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:51 pm
by YankeeTarheel
Marlene wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:35 pm I like guns, but I definitely don’t like gun people.
Not even us, Marlene? (excepting me, of course! :laugh: :D )

Re: Some people with guns just feed the anti-gun frenzy

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:38 am
by kronkmusic
Marlene wrote:I like guns, but I definitely don’t like gun people.
I feel you on this. A significant portion of the gun community is alright. Respectable, honest people who happen to like guns. Hell, for a large chunk of the gun community, owning a 10/22 or a .308 bolt action is like owning a fishing rod in Florida, it's something you grew up with and you just kinda do, it's generational and cultural. But for a non-zero, arguably significant portion of the gun community, they're just a bunch jackasses with deadly toys.

Re: Some people with guns just feed the anti-gun frenzy

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:31 am
by VoidNail
With anything.

With power, comes responsibility

Hell, if you get promoted at work, you almost always get more responsibilities.

The vast majority of us gun owners understand how to be responsible adults...

There are still quite a few people that shouldnt ever hold a firearm, much less own one... but here we are.

Re: Some people with guns just feed the anti-gun frenzy

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:50 am
by YankeeTarheel
kronkmusic wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:38 am
Marlene wrote:I like guns, but I definitely don’t like gun people.
I feel you on this. A significant portion of the gun community is alright. Respectable, honest people who happen to like guns. Hell, for a large chunk of the gun community, owning a 10/22 or a .308 bolt action is like owning a fishing rod in Florida, it's something you grew up with and you just kinda do, it's generational and cultural. But for a non-zero, arguably significant portion of the gun community, they're just a bunch jackasses with deadly toys.
That's what happens. One asshole puts C4 in his shoes, gets on a plane, and 18 years later tens of millions of people are STILL having their shoes scanned for explosives because of this one shithead, who will be a guest of the US Government until he's a corpse.

When something didn't work, one of my brother's union brothers said to him :"You know what the problem is, Davey? You forgot to allow for the DH factor!", which led the the "rule":

In every human endeavor you must always allow for the DH factor.

DH = Dick Head.
(and my brother's name isn't "Davey").

Re: Some people with guns just feed the anti-gun frenzy

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:36 am
by featureless
It takes a special kind of heartless asshole to do that.

Re: Some people with guns just feed the anti-gun frenzy

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:29 pm
by geno
Wish I hadn't clicked on this one. I adopted a Mustang from the BLM in 1984. The BLM had brought 150 mustangs and 75 burros from a holding facility in Susanville Ca. to a stockyard in Michigan. That first day about 3/4 of the people who came to adopt, selected burros, and although I was number 24 to pick that day, I was able to get my first choice, a three year old 14 1/2 hand dark bay stallion, who carried about four hoof shaped wounds on his body. His eyes were runny, and it made me think of the horse from a movie I had seen years before "The Wonderful Country" as in the movie I named him
Lágrimas ("tears"). He was with me till age caught up with him in 2013.
I don't think mankind would have ever progressed to where we are today; without the assistance Equines gave us in the past.
If there's a god; I'm certain there's a special hell for any human animal who could be this cruel.

P.S. Don't get me started on Ronny Raygun, the COWboy who ramped up the wholesale removal of these animals from the public rangelands.

Re: Some people with guns just feed the anti-gun frenzy

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:41 pm
by K9s
geno wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:29 pm Wish I hadn't clicked on this one. I adopted a Mustang from the BLM in 1984. The BLM had brought 150 mustangs and 75 burros from a holding facility in Susanville Ca. to a stockyard in Michigan. That first day about 3/4 of the people who came to adopt, selected burros, and although I was number 24 to pick that day, I was able to get my first choice, a three year old 14 1/2 hand dark bay stallion, who carried about four hoof shaped wounds on his body. His eyes were runny, and it made me think of the horse from a movie I had seen years before "The Wonderful Country" as in the movie I named him
Lágrimas ("tears"). He was with me till age caught up with him in 2013.
I don't think mankind would have ever progressed to where we are today; without the assistance Equines gave us in the past.
If there's a god; I'm certain there's a special hell for any human animal who could be this cruel.

P.S. Don't get me started on Ronny Raygun, the COWboy who ramp up the wholesale removal of these animals from the public rangelands.
We co-evolved with dogs and horses/camels/burros. With dogs as our ears & noses, and horses, camels, burros, etc as our strength, we wouldn't have been able to feed our people, expand empires, and have as much leisure time. Of course, some of our ancestors decided to also enslave other peoples ancestors because horses and dogs couldn't serve them food and care for their children.

When humans treat other humans and animals with compassion and respect, we might well be on our way to deserving the title "human".

Re: Some people with guns just feed the anti-gun frenzy

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:55 pm
by highdesert
That stretch of Interstate 15 is very busy, it's the main route from Los Angeles to Las Vegas. If your not going 75-80, better get in the slow lane. There is a lot of BLM land down here and we often go shooting on BLM land. Hope BLM or some federal law enforcement agency has some leads, maybe a satellite was overhead that could provide so pictures. 40 years in jail isn't enough.

Re: Some people with guns just feed the anti-gun frenzy

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:09 am
by YankeeTarheel
K9s wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:41 pm
geno wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:29 pm Wish I hadn't clicked on this one. I adopted a Mustang from the BLM in 1984. The BLM had brought 150 mustangs and 75 burros from a holding facility in Susanville Ca. to a stockyard in Michigan. That first day about 3/4 of the people who came to adopt, selected burros, and although I was number 24 to pick that day, I was able to get my first choice, a three year old 14 1/2 hand dark bay stallion, who carried about four hoof shaped wounds on his body. His eyes were runny, and it made me think of the horse from a movie I had seen years before "The Wonderful Country" as in the movie I named him
Lágrimas ("tears"). He was with me till age caught up with him in 2013.
I don't think mankind would have ever progressed to where we are today; without the assistance Equines gave us in the past.
If there's a god; I'm certain there's a special hell for any human animal who could be this cruel.

P.S. Don't get me started on Ronny Raygun, the COWboy who ramp up the wholesale removal of these animals from the public rangelands.
We co-evolved with dogs and horses/camels/burros. With dogs as our ears & noses, and horses, camels, burros, etc as our strength, we wouldn't have been able to feed our people, expand empires, and have as much leisure time. Of course, some of our ancestors decided to also enslave other peoples ancestors because horses and dogs couldn't serve them food and care for their children.

When humans treat other humans and animals with compassion and respect, we might well be on our way to deserving the title "human".
Don't forget cattle, sheep, and goats. The Maasei tribe measured their wealth in cattle.

Re: Some people with guns just feed the anti-gun frenzy

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:10 am
by CDFingers
This is a companion thread to the one saying that some people should not have guns.

Even on this board I'm hesitant to examine this topic in writing. I mostly agree with Marlene that I don't like most gun people because of the DH factor prevalent among many of them. Soitenly there are responsible gun owners--in fact, the very first gun forum I joined way back in the day was called The Forum for Responsible American Gun Owners. It died in several months to be replaced by things like Surplusrifle and Gunboards and so on. I joined to talk about the old guns I had. Before that I did not have much of a picture of "gun owners." Turns out some of us are dick heads.

So, the question arises about whether this or that person should have guns. There's no "I'm am/am not a dick head" box to check on the 4473.

Other than flagging convictions for domestic violence or for violent crimes or overt threats to this or that official, I can't come up with a screening process that could pass SCOTUS muster. Scalia laid out that no right is absolute, accepting that some restrictions and regulations are constitutional.

Where does that leave us? Well, if a dick head with a gun comes in my house I'll shoot him. That's about it. Not great, but democracy is a messy business.

I'm with max in that the road signs were probably asking for it... [/sarc

on edit: I still avoided the most controversial idea in my head, so I'll see what this board does with it. Guns allow the weakest person to kill the strongest--this is just part, and it's Colt's equalizer. But the next part is where we have to take stock of what it is to be a human. Some dick heads are so dicky that they become shit heads, and some of those are completely unhinged and devoid of any of the societal and cultural norms most of us accept, in that it's not ok to shoot someone for trivial reasons. So they shoot someone, and we all go, "Not good, dude" or something to that effect. We could not have prevented it or even predicted it.

Some humans should not have guns, but in order to prevent the unpredictable ones from getting guns, the gun grabbers say to get them all. Naturally the sane among us say that only criminals then would have guns. Which is true. So we end up with some loner, some flaccid thinker who hates puppies or what not, being able to get a gun and blast away at the Daisy Hill Puppy Farm or where ever.

Universal back ground checks are a thing, and we know criminals go around them. Ammo back ground checks are now a thing in California. We know criminals will get around them. Will these checks stop at least one shit head from getting a gun? Probably at least one. Is it worth it? Probably not. What will anti gun people do? They will keep pressing the bar, hoping for coke but getting something unexpected. I, however, expect shit heads to keep shooting folks.

I think we're stuck with living with humans of all stripes, so a gun is a good thing to have and not need.

CDFingers

Re: Some people with guns just feed the anti-gun frenzy

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:15 am
by max129
Guns are a unique case for the same reason as alcohol and cigarettes. You can live without them and they are dangerous. Thus the moralizing.

Compare the emotion around dangerous guns with the emotion around dangerous ladders.

https://www.ishn.com/articles/106830-00 ... r-on-farms

So, as noted above, when some DH shoots Burros, there is a backlash because to anti-gun people, all guns do is increase the risk of suicides, accidental deaths and murder. They see zero benefit to owning a gun. If you tell them it is a "tool", they will tell you, "Yes, a tool designed to kill people". They have their statistics to show that owning a gun is more dangerous than not owning a gun.

Do I agree with them? Certainly not the moralizing part - we do not need more Puritans telling us how to live.

I doubt there is a screening process that would both honor the 2A and prevent stupid Burro deaths. This is the kind of problem that can only be dealt with after the fact IMO.

Re: Some people with guns just feed the anti-gun frenzy

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:06 am
by highdesert
I too am tired of the moralizing nanny's on both sides of the divide. If people want to commit suicide they have many options, some have even said that gross obesity is really committing suicide with a knife and fork. The anti-gunners seem oblivious to the fact that in the rare but still real occasion when they'd have to protect themselves, that police would always be there to protect them. They convince themselves that they live in good neighborhoods, their children attend safe schools and they have good emergency services and somehow bad people don't enter their safe world. Their echo chambers have convinced them they'd never need a firearm and neither would anyone else. More black and white thinking just like the right wing.