Police shoot 12 year old during expired gun card raid.

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The officers had a search warrant to arrest Worship’s boyfriend, who was wanted for drug possession and possession of weapons with an expired Firearm Owner’s Identification card.

“Then the next thing you know we hear, ‘Police, police!’” Worship said. “Then we hear the flash bangs.”

The flash grenades left burn marks on the floor. But what happened next was far worse.

“We hear a shot,” Worship said, “and I go to go to where the shot was at.”

It was her son – 12-year-old Amir – shot by an officer.

“When he goes to put his flashlight back in his vest, and then returns his arm and his hand to the handle and the trigger of the gun, the gun discharges,” Hofeld said.

Amir was struck in the knee. His kneecap was shattered.

“But as soon as it was clear that this 12-year-old boy didn’t pose any threat and there was no one else in the room who posed any threat, he should have moved his gun down, put it on the safety position, so it could never be discharged,” Hofeld said.

Worship said she tried to run to her son, but was restrained by police.

“The police had grabbed the back of my neck,” Worship said.

She said she was taken to the police station instead of being allowed to go with her son to the hospital. And she was not even the target of the warrant.
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highdesert wrote:Are we seeing another political shift as big city Democrats become the law and order party? Is making arrests for expired FOID cards the best use of police resources considering Chicago's high number of shootings?
In light of the Aurora, IL workplace shooter and the fact he should never had weapons due to a rescinded FOID, I can see more of these raids happening. Yes they should send more resources to the south and west sides, but if residents don't want to help with investigations and testify, then raids are only good up to a certain point

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highdesert wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:32 am Are we seeing another political shift as big city Democrats become the law and order party? Is making arrests for expired FOID cards the best use of police resources considering Chicago's high number of shootings?
Anti-gun policies have been pretty racist for the history of this country. Recently, you can look at the killing of Philando Castile as a good example of that. This is another case. Unfortunately, I don't see the over-funded police changing their tactics to appease gun rights advocates, especially since many gun rights advocates have no interest in helping to protect PoC.

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wpkato wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:04 pm
highdesert wrote:Are we seeing another political shift as big city Democrats become the law and order party? Is making arrests for expired FOID cards the best use of police resources considering Chicago's high number of shootings?
In light of the Aurora, IL workplace shooter and the fact he should never had weapons due to a rescinded FOID, I can see more of these raids happening. Yes they should send more resources to the south and west sides, but if residents don't want to help with investigations and testify, then raids are only good up to a certain point

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Rahm Emmanuel used to complain that residents didn't want to get involved after shootings, which made it difficult for police to find the perps. I love Chicago, a great old city that I hate to see get pulled apart, I have relatives from there. Ideas about how to tackle the drug and violence problems?
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NegativeApproach wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:57 pm
highdesert wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:32 am Are we seeing another political shift as big city Democrats become the law and order party? Is making arrests for expired FOID cards the best use of police resources considering Chicago's high number of shootings?
Anti-gun policies have been pretty racist for the history of this country. Recently, you can look at the killing of Philando Castile as a good example of that. This is another case. Unfortunately, I don't see the over-funded police changing their tactics to appease gun rights advocates, especially since many gun rights advocates have no interest in helping to protect PoC.
I agree about gun policies in the past being racist, I strongly support 2A for everyone. The Philando Castile shooting was wrong, the cop panicked and should never have graduated from the academy. Wish more politicians in Chicago would encourage concealed carry, would support free CCW classes and push legislation to reduce the application fees. The City administration is anti-gun, but from what I've seen they don't speak for the victims of gun crime in CGO.
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highdesert wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:32 am Are we seeing another political shift as big city Democrats become the law and order party? Is making arrests for expired FOID cards the best use of police resources considering Chicago's high number of shootings?
the assertion that this is some sort of shift shows that you know very little about Chicago political history. I suggest "Chicago 1968 riot" "Richard Daly" and "Fred Hampton" as google searches to get you started
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Marlene wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:32 pm
highdesert wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:32 am Are we seeing another political shift as big city Democrats become the law and order party? Is making arrests for expired FOID cards the best use of police resources considering Chicago's high number of shootings?
the assertion that this is some sort of shift shows that you know very little about Chicago political history. I suggest "Chicago 1968 riot" "Richard Daly" and "Fred Hampton" as google searches to get you started
Chicago is one of, if not the most conservative Democratic cities in the country. That will hopefully be changing a little bit, especially with the election of an openly gay black woman for mayor, but it's still going to be a long time before the Democratic Machine is dismantled, if it ever will be. It's very entrenched in the culture here.

Fred Hampton was straight up murdered by a police death squad. That's part of the legacy of Chicago. There are also some really interesting points of resistance, including within street gang culture, most notably the coming together of gangs from different cultures and races under the People and Folks Nations. That got squashed quickly, and culminated with the El Rukins trying to buy a anti tank rocket from federal agents.

I'm certainly not pro-street gang, but under an oppressive regime and under the first Daley, and even going back to the race riots of 1919, people had to band together to protect themselves from random violence... and some of Caucasian instigators of that violence in 1919 can draw a direct tie to white street gangs and other fraternal orders in the 1970s and 80s (through the first Mayor Daley in fact), who then coalesced and formed coalitions with black and latino street gangs.

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NegativeApproach wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:05 pm
Marlene wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:32 pm
highdesert wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:32 am Are we seeing another political shift as big city Democrats become the law and order party? Is making arrests for expired FOID cards the best use of police resources considering Chicago's high number of shootings?
the assertion that this is some sort of shift shows that you know very little about Chicago political history. I suggest "Chicago 1968 riot" "Richard Daly" and "Fred Hampton" as google searches to get you started
Chicago is one of, if not the most conservative Democratic cities in the country. That will hopefully be changing a little bit, especially with the election of an openly gay black woman for mayor, but it's still going to be a long time before the Democratic Machine is dismantled, if it ever will be. It's very entrenched in the culture here.

Fred Hampton was straight up murdered by a police death squad. That's part of the legacy of Chicago. There are also some really interesting points of resistance, including within street gang culture, most notably the coming together of gangs from different cultures and races under the People and Folks Nations. That got squashed quickly, and culminated with the El Rukins trying to buy a anti tank rocket from federal agents.

I'm certainly not pro-street gang, but under an oppressive regime and under the first Daley, and even going back to the race riots of 1919, people had to band together to protect themselves from random violence... and some of Caucasian instigators of that violence in 1919 can draw a direct tie to white street gangs and other fraternal orders in the 1970s and 80s (through the first Mayor Daley in fact), who then coalesced and formed coalitions with black and latino street gangs.
I know Chicago history, I remember very well the Daley Machine (Chicago was a political machine even before the Daleys) and the 1968 Dem Convention. Had relatives who lived through the 1919 race riots it was horrible, bodies floating down the Chicago River. Fred Hampton and recently the Laquan McDonald shooting.

Hope things change with the new mayor, Chicago has had a black mayor, a female mayor and a Jewish mayor and many POC are on the City Council.
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