The Liberal Gun Club Forum

featureless wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:52 am

highdesert wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:23 am

For instance, in Friedman, we asked whether “a regulation bans weapons that were common at the time of ratification or those that have ‘some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia.’” 784 F.3d at 410 (quoting Heller, 554 U.S. at 622). This question embodies the recognition—set forth in Heller—“that the Second Amendment confers an individual right to keep and bear arms (though only arms that ‘have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia’).” Heller, 554 U.S. at 622.

So AR, AK...have no relationship to a well regulated militia? Three judges, one a Reagan appointee, one a Clinton appointee and one a W appointee. SCOTUS more than ever needs to step. IL's fault too for not blocking local preemption.

Quite the twisted logic, no? It's almost like they just don't give a shit what laws or precident say. Come up with some gargleygok cuz we'z all too stupid to understand it anyway.

featureless wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:36 pm So, CA7 just upheld an AWB in Illinois. Apparently, the panel wasn't convinced assault weapons are in common use. Let's dig on that a little bit, out of pure fucking frustration.
https://www.npr.org/2019/08/29/75555183 ... lt-weapons
http://media.ca7.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/r ... 391208:S:0

Zinger from the decision (is this where we got the snowflake "feelz" meme placed on us?):

Also like our sister circuits, in Friedman we
evaluated the importance of the reasons for the Highland
Park Ordinance to determine whether they justified the
ban’s intrusion on Second Amendment rights. We concluded, as our sister circuits had, that “reduc[ing] the overall
dangerousness of crime” and making the public feel safer
were “substantial” interests that justified the city’s action in
adopting the Highland Park Ordinance.

So, I offer this for the next time we're before a court.
Me at court (not really, just pretending): Question, your honors. Would you agree the Toyota Camry, the number one selling passenger car in the US is in common use?

Your honors: Duh. Of course. They are everywhere. The only way I can tell which one is mine in the parking lot is the little stick figure family on the window. It includes the cat, dog and hamster.

Me: Did you know there were 387,081 Camrys sold in the US in 2017.

Your honors: This is getting annoying. Yes, they are everywhere.

Me: Sorry, getting to my point. Are you aware that Smith & Wesson sold 265,356 rifles in 2017?

Your honors: No. But the 2A protects hunting weapons. We're not concerned (yet) about bolt action Smith & Wesesnoils [sic].

Me: Did you know that the only rifles Smith & Wesson produces are AR15s? Did you know Delton sold 24,829? Sig sold 35,896? Daniel Defense sold 28,778? Palmetto State sold 25,221? Radical Firearms sold 88,430? That's 468,510 AR15s, not including all the other manufacturers. Not including all the other rifles that fall under the "assault weapon" ban. Did you fucking know that?

Your honors: Surely, you're just parroting the NRA. You're out of line.

Me: No, this is straight out of the ATF's manufacturing data. I hate the NRA. I belong to the LGC instead, a sane and reasonable group of free radicals.

Your honors: So what's your point?

Me: Well, glad you asked. If the Camry is in common use and If there are more AR15s sold every year, just how the fuck can you not see AR15s, a component of the total under the umbrella of "assault weapons", is not in common use? Further, did you know that Caetano determined that 200,000 stun guns, manufactured over many years, in lawful use qualified as "common use?" That's half of the number of AR15s just from those manufactures mentioned produced in one year. Clearly, you can't handle the truth.

https://www.atf.gov/file/133476/download

Timberwolf89 wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:03 pm I was in my local gun shop last week and there were two sheriff’s deputies in there. The clerk mentioned gun sales were down because we have a Republican president. But here in VA there have been calls for the general assembly to institute an AWB. The deputy said, “No way I’m going door to door to take away people guns. That’s a sure fire way to get killed.” Just thought I’d share.