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Former firefighter stops man armed with 100 rounds of ammunition at south Springfield Walmart

SPRINGFIELD, Mo. The Springfield Police Department says it responded to a call of an active shooter at the Walmart Neighborhood Market at Republic Rd., near Golden Ave., Thursday evening.

The Springfield Police Department arrived on scene within three minutes of the call. Police stated that a young white male, appearing to be in his twenties, pulled up to the Walmart, where he donned body armor and military fatigues. Police say the man had tactical weapons.

Police then say the man walked into the Walmart: Neighborhood Market where he grabbed a cart and began pushing it around the store. Police say the man was recording himself walking through the store via a cell phone.

I thought Missouri had full open carry and CC laws without restrictions. What point was this guy trying to make?

KOLR news anchor tweeted "20-year-old man with rifle, handgun & body armor arrested at Walmart on Republic. SFD Police say he had 100+ rounds of ammunition. Off-duty firefighter with concealed carry gun held him at gunpoint until officers arrived about 3 minutes later"

https://www.dailywire.com/news/50424/br ... n-saavedra

Yes Missouri is open carry, but subject to local restrictions. Don't know about motive here, someone really stupid or a potential situation.

The FBI warned after the two recent shootings that there could be copycat attacks.
https://thehill.com/homenews/456168-fbi ... -shootings

highdesert wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:25 am

KOLR news anchor tweeted "20-year-old man with rifle, handgun & body armor arrested at Walmart on Republic. SFD Police say he had 100+ rounds of ammunition. Off-duty firefighter with concealed carry gun held him at gunpoint until officers arrived about 3 minutes later"

https://www.dailywire.com/news/50424/br ... n-saavedra

Yes Missouri is open carry, but subject to local restrictions. Don't know about motive here, someone really stupid or a potential situation.

The FBI warned after the two recent shootings that there could be copycat attacks.
https://thehill.com/homenews/456168-fbi ... -shootings

I'm going with the bolded. Probably an open-carry "auditor."

The perp has been identified as Dmitriy Andreychenko.

Andreychenko wrote on his Instagram bio, “Love my God, Love my wife, Love my guns.” He then wrote Romans 1:16, a reference to a Bible verse that reads, “For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.” In a Facebook post from February 2017, the suspect posted a photo of him wearing a t-shirt saying, “Jesus Is My Savior Not My Religion.”

Andreychenko makes reference to his wife on his Instagram bio. While on his Facebook page, Andreychenko says he has been married since May 2016. His wife writes on the About section of her page, “Loving the married life.”

The suspect writes on his Facebook page that he studied to be an EMT at Ozarks Technical Community College. Andreychenko writes on that page that since May 2018, he has worked for Roadway Express LLC. Andreychenko says he is from Portland, Oregon and is a resident of Springfield, Missouri.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/dmitriy-andreychenko/

So did he commit a crime or just do something incredibly stupid?

featureless wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:08 am So did he commit a crime or just do something incredibly stupid?

Formal charges of making a terrorist threat in the first degree are now pending against Dmitriy Andreychenko police say.

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/09/74976378 ... n-missouri

Of course ultimately up to the DA.

That's not open carry advocacy. That's just trolling. But the charges will probably be reduced to disturbing the peace or something.

Eris wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:58 pm That's not open carry advocacy. That's just trolling. But the charges will probably be reduced to disturbing the peace or something.

Is there a difference? Most of them to be trolls.

senorgrand wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:02 pm

Eris wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:58 pm That's not open carry advocacy. That's just trolling. But the charges will probably be reduced to disturbing the peace or something.

Is there a difference? Most of them to be trolls.

Sure. You can advocate for open carry without being trollish about it. Don't dress up in fatigues and body armor and load up with extra ammo, for one. Keep your rifle shouldered and not in a ready position, for another. Rocognize that what your doing may be legal, but it's also highly unusual and will be frightening to others, so start small. Don't open carry at a crowded place like Wal-Mart. Pick smaller venues, where you preferably know the people who run the store. Get to know them first, Let them know you'd like to open carry at their place and ask them if they'd be OK with it. Gun stores might be more open to the idea. Small mom and pop shops run by gun owners might be OK with it. Heck, there's a McDonalds near me that had a custom sign made to put in their window that explicitly says lawful carry on their property is allowed. Start small: you know you are going to draw media attention, so try and control the circustances so the media reports that the store owner wasn't afraid and the police didn't find any reason to arrest anyone. Maybe find a small cafe and have a monthly meet up of other open carry advocates so that it becomes a routine event and the media stops reporting it. Before open carry can be considered normal in places like Wal Mart, the public needs to get used to it in smaller contexts. Also, don't stage an open carry event shortly after a mass shooting!

I'm not saying that I like open carry - I don't. I'd rather it not become normalized. But the people who disagree do have options and they could go about promoting their agenda in ways that are less startling than some lone guy doing tactical cosplay in a crowded place.

But of course, you are correct that most open carry advocates do seem to be trolls. They seem to be more interested in pissing other people off than in actually normalizing the carrying of guns.

IF this idiot gets out of this shit, I will almost guarantee next time he does it, it will be for real and for keeps. Damned shame someone didn't blow him away for this stupidity. And people question why they can't buy a hand gun at 20 or less - cause some are stupid and immature wannabe mall nijas on the edge. Texas has a similar law - no need for a license to openly carry a rifle in public, only not legal if facility doesn't have signage to prevent open carry - otherwise, they can parade up and down Main St. all day long looking like the idiot they are.

FDT/ABT

If you carry a holstered sidearm in a open carry state, you are excercising your rights.

When you look like a Call of Duty bad guy, you ain't helping gun owners.

One interesting aspect of this story that is being underreported is that the person who held the man was himself an armed civilian who was apparently concealed carrying.

Eris wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:51 pm One interesting aspect of this story that is being underreported is that the person who held the man was himself an armed civilian who was apparently concealed carrying.

Well, we can't report on that sort of thing, just like we can't report on the tens of thousands of of legitimate uses of a firearms annualy to prevent violent crime. Doesn't fit the "guns are evil" narrative.

Eris wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:51 pm One interesting aspect of this story that is being underreported is that the person who held the man was himself an armed civilian who was apparently concealed carrying.

Yup, an off duty firefighter and concealed carrier, detained him outside the exit until police arrived.

senorgrand wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:38 pm If you carry a holstered sidearm in a open carry state, you are excercising your rights.

When you look like a Call of Duty bad guy, you ain't helping gun owners.

Exactly!!

For every red state good guy with a gun story (Missouri), there are two massacres in red states (Texas and Ohio). It isn't hard to see why the media covers these "guns didn't stop these bad guys" stories.

It did bother me that they charged this stupid open-carry dude with 1st degree terrorist threat. It was stupid and he is lucky to be alive. However, where do you draw the line?

Honestly, if you're not walking the woods, I don't see the need to OC a long gun.

You're just fucking it up for everyone else. "Open Carry Activist" might as well be renamed "Douche", because you're painful, unnecessary and dangerous, just like your namesake.

What happens if the next person charged is just carrying a revolver?

Personally, I would prefer that OC not be a thing for long guns unless hunting or target shooting. It freaks people out and they vote for gun control candidates.

What happens if the next person charged is just carrying a revolver?

Personally, I would prefer that OC not be a thing for long guns unless hunting or target shooting. It freaks people out and they vote for gun control candidates.

I guess I would be ok with long gun oc if you had a scabbard...but that shit needs to be holstered.

K9s wrote:What happens if the next person charged is just carrying a revolver?

Now there is precedent for a charge of making terroristic threats for carrying, so it's pretty clear what could happen. The opencarry911 crowd never could have dreamed of such a favorable outcome.

You decide.

Dmitriy Andreychenko walked into a Walmart in Missouri equipped with body armor, a handgun and a rifle less than a week after a gunman killed 22 people in a Walmart in Texas. He says it was a "social experiment" -- and not intended to cause panic.

"I wanted to know if that Walmart honored the 2nd amendment," he told Springfield police, according to a probable cause statement.

He told his sister it was "a social experiment on how his 2nd amendment right would be respected in a public area," according to the document.

The rifle he carried had a loaded magazine, but a round was not chambered; and the handgun was loaded with a round in the chamber, the probable cause document said.

The consequences he faces are not a reflection of how Missouri -- an open carry state -- respects the 2nd Amendment, prosecuting attorney Dan Patterson said in a statement. "Missouri protects the right to open carry a firearm, but that right does not allow an individual to act in a reckless and criminal manner, endangering other citizens," Patterson said. "As Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes famously explained, 'the most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man ... falsely shouting fire in a theater causing a panic.'"

Police Lt. Mike Lucas said he did indeed cause a panic. "His intent was not to cause peace or comfort to anybody that was in the business," Lucas said. "In fact, he's lucky to be alive still to be honest."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/10/us/walma ... index.html

If he's convicted of a felony, there goes his guns.

I would think that, actually I would hope that this video by Miculak might have made a difference if it had been viewed by this idiot. Maybe the authorities will make him watch it while he awaiting trial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGslzXxDhEU