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I doubt his beliefs are long-held. Too young. The Trumps and right-wing media know what they are doing.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/stochastic_terrorism

1.The use of mass public communication, usually against a particular individual or group, which incites or inspires acts of terrorism which are statistically probable but happen seemingly at random.

The term “Stochastic Terrorism” has become popular in risk management studies and in the study of terrorism, where the idea is used to describe terrorism where the target and date are “random” and “unpredictable” and used to destabilize a government or society.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

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YankeeTarheel wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:09 pm
K9s wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:53 am I don't think this is demoralizing the opposition, though. So far, anyway. Four more years of GOP Senate and POTUS might.
No, but that's the intent. It worked for the Klan for 100 years.
I agree. It has kept people down for generations. However, I think/hope we have reached a critical point. I hope it will be different this time.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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K9s wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:44 pm
YankeeTarheel wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:09 pm
K9s wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:53 am I don't think this is demoralizing the opposition, though. So far, anyway. Four more years of GOP Senate and POTUS might.
No, but that's the intent. It worked for the Klan for 100 years.
I agree. It has kept people down for generations. However, I think/hope we have reached a critical point. I hope it will be different this time.
Every time, I hope it will be different "this time". It never is. El Paso is worse than Parkland. Southerland Springs was worse than Parkland. Newtown was worse than Parkland. But only the Parkland kids got ANY traction at all. And what traction did they get? Death threats.
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The silence and lack of dialogue is a problem. Politicians are taking sides. A compromise is needed and a vision forward is demanded. No one will like the compromise, but it has to start somewhere.

Also, I will just drop this here: Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) in June tweeted, without providing a comment or context, an article from the Texas Tribune with the headline: “Texas gained almost nine Hispanic residents for every additional white resident last year.”

https://twitter.com/johncornyn/status/1 ... 56?lang=en
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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And Texas was originally claimed by Mexico until around 1850 when Texas promptly joins the losing side of the American Civil War. Not known to be the paragon of intellectualism, some unfortunate white Texans have always felt defensive about their standing in society even while eating Tex-Mex cuisine.
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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highdesert wrote:
Although authorities did not publicly confirm his identity or describe the precise contents of the manifesto, a document posted on the website 8chan about an hour-and-a-half before the rampage spoke about the “invasion” of Latino immigrants and said the writer agreed with the shooter who killed worshipers at a mosque in Christchurch, New Zealand. That document was posted by an anonymous user who posted another document under the file name “P._Crusius.” That file was taken down, and it is not clear what it contained.

A Twitter account that appeared to belong to Crusius was shut down Saturday evening. Tweets on the account had praised President Trump and, in particular, his effort to build a wall along the U.S- Mexico border.
Leigh Ann Locascio, a former neighbor, said Crusius was an extreme loner who always sat alone on the bus in junior high and high school. He spoke negatively of other kids who played sports or joined the school band, she said.

She described Crusius as “very much a loner, very stand-offish” and someone who “didn’t interact a whole lot with anyone.” Her son, Tony Locascio, walked to school regularly with Crusius and his sister. Tony Locascio said Patrick Crusius only walked ahead or behind them, never interacting and always keeping to himself. He liked animals and kept pet snakes. “He wouldn’t talk to people. No one really knew him,” Tony Locascio said.

Another former classmate, Jacob Wilson, said Crusius was “very strong minded” in class and would try to “take charge” but other kids refused to work with him because he “irritable and had a short temper.” He was often “picked on” because of how he spoke, and because he wore what looked like hand-me-down clothes, Wilson said.

Wilson, who is now 20 and works in his family’s scrap metal recycling business, said he was in English class with Crusius during their senior year, and the taunts from other kids during class seemed relentless. “Every time I looked up in class it was someone new speaking negatively to the kid, ‘Patrick that is dumb, stupid,’” Wilson said.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/st ... so-rampage

He'll be protected by the Nazis-White Supremacist groups in prison.
If the Feds file domestic terrorist charges he’ll be going to probably ADX Super Max in Colorado. The only person he’ll be seeing is himself and guards.


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K9s wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:41 pm
I saw Cornyn's tweet and thought about how the food must be so great!
You'd think so, but they manage to have mediocre greasy food with as little spice as possible. I dpn't understand how they do it. "Tex" must be local shorthand slang for "sin sabor, por favor". They also pride themselves on BBQ without sauce, which I admit does meet a high standard for quality smoked meat, but...

I will give Texas props for Lone Star beer and Tito's vodka. Both are quality drinkable products, very far from the Oregoneon style of "something was funky in this fermentation, just cover it with more hops" IPA or their famous "artisanal means we don't have to cut out the tails" style of distilled spirits.

See, I'm working on shifting the focus of my rivalry.
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Marlene wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:49 pm
K9s wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:41 pm
I saw Cornyn's tweet and thought about how the food must be so great!
You'd think so, but they manage to have mediocre greasy food with as little spice as possible. I dpn't understand how they do it. "Tex" must be local shorthand slang for "sin sabor, por favor". They also pride themselves on BBQ without sauce, which I admit does meet a high standard for quality smoked meat, but...

I will give Texas props for Lone Star beer and Tito's vodka. Both are quality drinkable products, very far from the Oregoneon style of "something was funky in this fermentation, just cover it with more hops" IPA or their famous "artisanal means we don't have to cut out the tails" style of distilled spirits.

See, I'm working on shifting the focus of my rivalry.
Tito's Hand-made is DEFINITELY the AR Turntable of vodka. I like it almost as much as Grey Goose. Almost, but not quite.
(For those too young, AR turntables were, when introduced at well under $75--$67, I think, easily the equal, if not superior to far more expensive turntables by Garrard, Dual, Rek-o-Kut, Denon, Thorens, and Sansui. You could whack one with a hammer and it wouldn't skip. Just an on-off switch and stupendously good levels of wow and flutter)
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Fredrick Brennan was getting ready for church at his home in the Philippines when the news of a mass shooting in El Paso arrived. His response was immediate and instinctive. “Whenever I hear about a mass shooting, I say, ‘All right, we have to research if there’s an 8chan connection,’” he said about the online message board he started in 2013. It didn’t take him long to find one.

Moments before the El Paso shooting on Saturday, a four-page message whose author identified himself as the gunman appeared on 8chan. The person who posted the message encouraged his “brothers” on the site to spread the contents far and wide. In recent months, 8chan has become a go-to resource for violent extremists. At least three mass shootings this year — including the mosque killings in Christchurch, New Zealand, and the synagogue shooting in Poway, Calif. — have been announced in advance on the site, often accompanied by racist writings that seem engineered to go viral on the internet.

Mr. Brennan started the online message board as a free speech utopia. But now, 8chan is known as something else: a megaphone for mass shooters, and a recruiting platform for violent white nationalists. And it has become a focal point for those seeking to disrupt the pathways of online extremism. On Sunday, critics characterized the site as a breeding ground for violence, and lobbied the site’s service providers to get it taken down. One of those providers, Cloudflare, a service that protects websites against cyberattacks, said it would stop working with 8chan on Sunday night and the site went dark about 3 a.m. Eastern time. And Mr. Brennan, who stopped working with the site’s current owner last year, called for it to be taken offline before it leads to further violence.
Mr. Brennan, who has claimed that he got the idea for 8chan while on psychedelic mushrooms, set out to create what he called a free speech alternative to 4chan, a better-known online message board. He was upset that 4chan had become too restrictive, and he envisioned a site where any legal speech would be welcome, no matter how toxic.

The site remained on the fringes until 2014, when some supporters of GamerGate — a loose reactionary collection of anti-feminist video gamers — flocked to 8chan after being kicked off 4chan. Since GamerGate, 8chan has become a catchall website for internet-based communities whose behavior gets them evicted from more mainstream sites. It hosts one of the largest gatherings of supporters of QAnon, who claim that there is an international bureaucracy plotting against the Trump administration. And it has been an online home for “incels,” men who lament being “involuntarily celibate,” and other fringe movements.
8chan has been run out of the Philippines by Jim Watkins, a United States Army veteran, since 2015, when Mr. Brennan gave up control of the site.

The site remains nearly completely unmoderated, and its commitment to keeping up even the most violent speech has made it a venue for extremists to test out ideas, share violent literature and cheer on the perpetrators of mass killings. Users on 8chan frequently lionize mass gunmen using jokey internet vernacular, referring to their body counts as “high scores” and creating memes praising the killers.

Mr. Brennan, who has a condition known as brittle-bone disease and uses a wheelchair, has tried to distance himself from 8chan and its current owners. In a March interview with The Wall Street Journal, he expressed his regrets over his role in the site’s creation, and warned that the violent culture that had taken root on 8chan’s boards could lead to more mass shootings.
Mr. Watkins, who runs 8chan along with his son, Ronald, has remained defiant in the face of criticism, and has resisted calls to moderate or shut down the site. On Sunday, a banner at the top of 8chan’s home page read, “Welcome to 8chan, the Darkest Reaches of the Internet.”
Over the weekend, 8chan’s critics tried a different tack to get the site shut down, by pressuring the site’s service providers, including its web host, to cut off Mr. Watkins.

One of these providers, the security company Cloudflare, initially indicated on Sunday that it would not cut off 8chan’s access to its network. But later in the day, Cloudflare said it would ban the site after all, depriving Mr. Watkins of a critical tool for keeping the site online.

Matthew Prince, Cloudflare’s chief executive, said the decision to shut off 8chan’s protections was made after determining that the site had allowed an environment of violent extremism to fester, and that 8chan ignored complaints about violent content in a way that larger platforms, such as Facebook and Twitter, have not.

“We’ve seen a pattern where this lawless community has demonstrated its ability to create real harm and real damage,” Mr. Prince said of 8chan. “If we see a bad thing in the world and we can help get in front of it, we have some obligation to do that.”

Another company, Tucows, which controls 8chan’s domain name registration, had no plans as of Sunday evening to disable the site’s web address.

“We have no immediate plans other than to keep discussing internally,” said Graeme Bunton, manager of public policy at Tucows.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/04/tech ... festo.html
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8chan might be down right now, but they got another security firm to protect them from DDOS attacks BitMitigate, so they'll be back soon.
However, 8chan's site administrator says it was moving to another security firm, BitMitigate, based in the US state of Washington. BitMitigate's website says it has "a proven commitment to liberty". BitMitigate stepped in to help neo-Nazi site the Daily Stormer when it lost Cloudflare protection in 2017. The BBC has approached BitMitigate for comment. But at this time 8Chan remains offline.

Cloudflare chief executive Matthew Prince had said, in the wake of Saturday’s shootings, that his firm would continue to support 8chan as its policy was to remain neutral over the type of content the service protected. However, on Sunday evening Mr Prince wrote in a blog post that "8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate”. “They have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths,” Mr Prince wrote. "Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.”

Mr Prince warned that while 8chan would be disrupted by Cloudflare’s decision, it would likely be able to rebuild itself - as was the case when Cloudflare stopped providing protection for the Daily Stormer, a neo-Nazi site, in 2017. “They quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor,” Mr Prince wrote.

"That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. He added: "I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate.

"In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the internet’s.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49232333
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Marlene wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:49 pm
K9s wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:41 pm
I saw Cornyn's tweet and thought about how the food must be so great!
You'd think so, but they manage to have mediocre greasy food with as little spice as possible. I dpn't understand how they do it. "Tex" must be local shorthand slang for "sin sabor, por favor". They also pride themselves on BBQ without sauce, which I admit does meet a high standard for quality smoked meat, but...

I will give Texas props for Lone Star beer and Tito's vodka. Both are quality drinkable products, very far from the Oregoneon style of "something was funky in this fermentation, just cover it with more hops" IPA or their famous "artisanal means we don't have to cut out the tails" style of distilled spirits.

See, I'm working on shifting the focus of my rivalry.
That's easy to say from California. I love El Paso food. California is a different sort of place with amazing food available around the clock.

Maybe we eat in different places in Texas? Never tried the BBQ there. Don't go to the tourist spots and don't go to places where English is spoken. :D
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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Stiff wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:51 am Now Trump says he supports stronger background check, but he wants approval for his immigration law.

FDT
Of course he does. I am sure he can be trusted with a reasonable compromise, right? He made a short speech and didn't stumble much, I bet.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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Marlene wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:49 pm
K9s wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:41 pm
I saw Cornyn's tweet and thought about how the food must be so great!
You'd think so, but they manage to have mediocre greasy food with as little spice as possible. I dpn't understand how they do it. "Tex" must be local shorthand slang for "sin sabor, por favor". They also pride themselves on BBQ without sauce, which I admit does meet a high standard for quality smoked meat, but...

I will give Texas props for Lone Star beer and Tito's vodka. Both are quality drinkable products, very far from the Oregoneon style of "something was funky in this fermentation, just cover it with more hops" IPA or their famous "artisanal means we don't have to cut out the tails" style of distilled spirits.

See, I'm working on shifting the focus of my rivalry.
Quick rundown.
Lone Star beer is about as good as house piss. The Lone Star name is now owned by Pabst Brewing Company. Production of Lone Star is currently contracted out to Miller Brewing Company in Fort Worth. Brewed with pure Trinity River water. We have much better beers in Texas than that crap.

As for Tex Mex food you need to come here and stay out of the tourist traps and chain restaurants. The best is the hole in the wall or little house restaurants that most of the patrons and workers speak Spanish. Remember Chili was invented in San Antonio, Texas and real Texas Chili doesn't have beans in it. :yahoo:
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Bisbee wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:35 pm And Texas was originally claimed by Mexico until around 1850 when Texas promptly joins the losing side of the American Civil War. Not known to be the paragon of intellectualism, some unfortunate white Texans have always felt defensive about their standing in society even while eating Tex-Mex cuisine.
Date correction Texas was an independent country from 1836 to 1845 when it allowed the United States to join with it. We didn't join the Confederacy until 1860.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
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TrueTexan wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:26 am
Marlene wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:49 pm
K9s wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:41 pm
I saw Cornyn's tweet and thought about how the food must be so great!
You'd think so, but they manage to have mediocre greasy food with as little spice as possible. I dpn't understand how they do it. "Tex" must be local shorthand slang for "sin sabor, por favor". They also pride themselves on BBQ without sauce, which I admit does meet a high standard for quality smoked meat, but...

I will give Texas props for Lone Star beer and Tito's vodka. Both are quality drinkable products, very far from the Oregoneon style of "something was funky in this fermentation, just cover it with more hops" IPA or their famous "artisanal means we don't have to cut out the tails" style of distilled spirits.

See, I'm working on shifting the focus of my rivalry.
Quick rundown.
Lone Star beer is about as good as house piss. The Lone Star name is now owned by Pabst Brewing Company. Production of Lone Star is currently contracted out to Miller Brewing Company in Fort Worth. Brewed with pure Trinity River water. We have much better beers in Texas than that crap.

As for Tex Mex food you need to come here and stay out of the tourist traps and chain restaurants. The best is the hole in the wall or little house restaurants that most of the patrons and workers speak Spanish. Remember Chili was invented in San Antonio, Texas and real Texas Chili doesn't have beans in it. :yahoo:
Amen!! Lone Star beer hasn't been worth a sou since mid 90's. Tex Mex is better than Mexican food anywhere on earth (that includes Mexico). BBQ sauce hides bad BBQ.
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Mexico vows to take legal action against U.S. after El Paso massacre
Mexico on Sunday threatened to take legal action against the United States for failing to protect its citizens after this weekend's mass shooting in the border city of El Paso.
In a statement, the Foreign Ministry called the attack in El Paso a "terrorist act against innocent Mexicans."
“The president has instructed me to ensure that Mexico’s indignation translates into ... efficient, prompt, expeditious and forceful legal actions for Mexico to take a role and demand that conditions are established that protect ... Mexicans in the United States,” Ebrard said in a video posted on Twitter.

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Wino wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:39 am
TrueTexan wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:26 am
Marlene wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:49 pm
K9s wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:41 pm
I saw Cornyn's tweet and thought about how the food must be so great!
You'd think so, but they manage to have mediocre greasy food with as little spice as possible. I dpn't understand how they do it. "Tex" must be local shorthand slang for "sin sabor, por favor". They also pride themselves on BBQ without sauce, which I admit does meet a high standard for quality smoked meat, but...

I will give Texas props for Lone Star beer and Tito's vodka. Both are quality drinkable products, very far from the Oregoneon style of "something was funky in this fermentation, just cover it with more hops" IPA or their famous "artisanal means we don't have to cut out the tails" style of distilled spirits.

See, I'm working on shifting the focus of my rivalry.
Quick rundown.
Lone Star beer is about as good as house piss. The Lone Star name is now owned by Pabst Brewing Company. Production of Lone Star is currently contracted out to Miller Brewing Company in Fort Worth. Brewed with pure Trinity River water. We have much better beers in Texas than that crap.

As for Tex Mex food you need to come here and stay out of the tourist traps and chain restaurants. The best is the hole in the wall or little house restaurants that most of the patrons and workers speak Spanish. Remember Chili was invented in San Antonio, Texas and real Texas Chili doesn't have beans in it. :yahoo:
Amen!! Lone Star beer hasn't been worth a sou since mid 90's. Tex Mex is better than Mexican food anywhere on earth (that includes Mexico). BBQ sauce hides bad BBQ.
Pearl Beer was another TX brand, that is also owned by Pabst. It's now based in LA, PBR is having a revival. I like Tex-Mex better than Cal-Mex and yes the small Momma-Papa operations are much more authentic. Near where I used to work is a small Mexican restaurant family owned, they're only open for breakfast and lunch. Tiny kitchen with six woman working like bees, a line outside the door in the morning for barritos which they make all day.
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