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Re: CA governor signals he's ready to sign additional gun control laws

26 by featureless
I have no real plans to leave CA (although Oregon looks mighty nice!). Too many friends and all of my family are here. I may end up moving out of Sonoma County, though (shame, I've called it home all of my adult life). Apparently, we're the 9th most expensive housing market in the country. Wages most certainly do not reflect that.

I learned on a manual as well (30 years ago). Driver's ed was high school sponsored.

Re: CA governor signals he's ready to sign additional gun control laws

28 by awshoot
featureless wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:58 am... and expanding MediCal to young undocumented people (however, he seems to have missed helping out citizens...). ...
As a self-employed individual who pays over $1400/mo for the crappiest worst insurance in the world for my wife and I, something like that would piss me enough to vote Republican -- or at least Libertarian. If you're poor and here illegally, you get my tax dollars. If you're a billionaire, you get my tax dollars. This kind of stuff is some real bull.

Re: CA governor signals he's ready to sign additional gun control laws

29 by featureless
awshoot wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:35 am
featureless wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:58 am... and expanding MediCal to young undocumented people (however, he seems to have missed helping out citizens...). ...
As a self-employed individual who pays over $1400/mo for the crappiest worst insurance in the world for my wife and I, something like that would piss me enough to vote Republican -- or at least Libertarian. If you're poor and here illegally, you get my tax dollars. If you're a billionaire, you get my tax dollars. This kind of stuff is some real bull.
I don't have a problem with my taxes going to poor undocumented healthcare. It rubs that citizens aren't offered the same, but healthy people benefit all of us and these same youngsters contribute a lot to the CA economy. My experiences with them show that they work hard and are not the entitled bums right wing media would have us all believe. Now giving my tax money to the wealthy drives me nuts.

Re: CA governor signals he's ready to sign additional gun control laws

30 by eelj
Gun control is just a play in the big game of political football. As has been pointed out in this thread alone by a few California residents their governor has not been very active in addressing many of the issues that really need it. Dems can point to their efforts change a civil right to their base which are very frightened affluent white people living in urban centers and claim they are working for them. Any politician who claims gun control as a main issue tells me that politician doesn't care about doing anything of substance while in office.

Re: CA governor signals he's ready to sign additional gun control laws

31 by shinzen
featureless wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:30 am
awshoot wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:35 am
featureless wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:58 am... and expanding MediCal to young undocumented people (however, he seems to have missed helping out citizens...). ...
As a self-employed individual who pays over $1400/mo for the crappiest worst insurance in the world for my wife and I, something like that would piss me enough to vote Republican -- or at least Libertarian. If you're poor and here illegally, you get my tax dollars. If you're a billionaire, you get my tax dollars. This kind of stuff is some real bull.
I don't have a problem with my taxes going to poor undocumented healthcare. It rubs that citizens aren't offered the same, but healthy people benefit all of us and these same youngsters contribute a lot to the CA economy. My experiences with them show that they work hard and are not the entitled bums right wing media would have us all believe. Now giving my tax money to the wealthy drives me nuts.
Yeah, I'm not opposed to undocumented folks getting healthcare, I am opposed to the path that's getting us there. With single payer in the state, we'd wind up with the same outcome for the undocumented, while also getting everyone else covered in a more reasonable manner as well. Which would not only make it an easier sale (with the whole what's in it for me question) but it's also the right thing to do.
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Re: CA governor signals he's ready to sign additional gun control laws

35 by highdesert
eelj wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:54 am Gun control is just a play in the big game of political football. As has been pointed out in this thread alone by a few California residents their governor has not been very active in addressing many of the issues that really need it. Dems can point to their efforts change a civil right to their base which are very frightened affluent white people living in urban centers and claim they are working for them. Any politician who claims gun control as a main issue tells me that politician doesn't care about doing anything of substance while in office.
Yup, Newsom won with 61.9% of the vote in November 2018 and as usual Republicans ran a weak candidate and lost. He even squeaked through a win in Orange County, that has traditionally been Republican. Firearms have been the whipping boy in the CA Legislature for years and unless Reps could pull off a coup and capture one chamber and change it, we've got a rough road ahead.
https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/sov/20 ... vernor.pdf
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Re: CA governor signals he's ready to sign additional gun control laws

37 by DispositionMatrix
DavidMS wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:50 pm IIRC, about 25% of Californians own firearms. At what point do the numbers of Californians who own firearms get sufficiently annoyed with the political trend to get involved?
Probably never. Ownership of firearms is not equivalent to support for the right to own firearms. The vast majority of that alleged 25% is probably split between those who could not care less about the ever-increasing number of firearm laws and do not follow the endless parade of bills and gun owners who ardently support any new bills that come along because they buy into firearm prohibitionist propaganda. Only a small percentage of California firearm owners care about the RKBA, and politically they don't matter.

Vermont had well over 200 years with almost no gun laws. In a matter of months, Democrats, out-of-state firearm prohibition groups, and the Republican governor imposed prohibitions based on a false pretext while firearm owners in the state either were indifferent or supported the bills. Since then, Democrats have repeatedly come back with more proposed restrictions. Once they get the governorship in that state such bills will start becoming law.

Re: CA governor signals he's ready to sign additional gun control laws

38 by highdesert
DispositionMatrix wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:18 am
DavidMS wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:50 pm IIRC, about 25% of Californians own firearms. At what point do the numbers of Californians who own firearms get sufficiently annoyed with the political trend to get involved?
Probably never. Ownership of firearms is not equivalent to support for the right to own firearms. The vast majority of that alleged 25% is probably split between those who could not care less about the ever-increasing number of firearm laws and do not follow the endless parade of bills and gun owners who ardently support any new bills that come along because they buy into firearm prohibitionist propaganda. Only a small percentage of California firearm owners care about the RKBA, and politically they don't matter.

Vermont had well over 200 years with almost no gun laws. In a matter of months, Democrats, out-of-state firearm prohibition groups, and the Republican governor imposed prohibitions based on a false pretext while firearm owners in the state either were indifferent or supported the bills. Since then, Democrats have repeatedly come back with more proposed restrictions. Once they get the governorship in that state such bills will start becoming law.
A 2018 study estimated that 14% of Californians own firearms, but 25% live in a household with guns. https://www.northcoastjournal.com/NewsB ... und-checks
Early results from the 2018 California Safety and Wellbeing Survey shows 10 percent of gun owners in the state own about half of all firearms. The majority of gun owners, about 54 percent, have one or two firearms, according to the survey.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/calif ... 95360.html

These are estimates, surveys vary. It's more an urban rural divide, but also Dems vs Reps and Reps in CA are often seen as the party of angry wacko white guys.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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