The Liberal Gun Club Forum

The recent shooting in Virginia Beach, Va., shows that the most severe gun-related problem facing our society is the proliferation of guns containing a semiautomatic mechanism. The gun used in this incident was a .45-caliber handgun, not an “assault rifle.” The connection between the handgun used and an assault rifle is the incorporation of a semiautomatic mechanism in both. This mechanism automatically ejects spent cartridges and loads new ones. Both styles of weapons accept high-capacity magazines and can handle large-caliber ammunition. While we focus on AR-15 style weapons, literally tens of millions of semiautomatic handguns are sold to the general public. These are the weapons that function exactly the same as the Virginia Beach gun.

Our organization, the Falmouth Gun Safety Coalition, is working to achieve legislation that will ban the semiautomatic mechanism in any gun sold or owned in Massachusetts. These are weapons that were designed for military and law enforcement purposes only and not for the general public. Revolvers, lever-action, pump-action, and bolt-action guns cover the full spectrum of civilian needs, whether they are hunting, personal protection, or home protection. The semiautomatic mechanism for guns has no place in civilian hands.

Richard Duby

President, Falmouth Gun Safety Coalition

East Falmouth

senorgrand wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:48 pm oh, they are coming for all your liberties, they will just start with your guns.

Eris wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:50 pm Since when are "semi-automatic mechanisms" made for the military and police only?

Another liar lying to get his way.

In 1906, Remington Arms introduced the "Remington Auto-loading Repeating Rifle." Remington advertised this rifle, renamed the "Model 8" in 1911, as a sporting rifle. This is a locked-breech, long recoil action designed by John Browning. The rifle was offered in .25, .30, .32, and .35 caliber models, and gained popularity among civilians as well as some law enforcement officials who appreciated the combination of a semi-automatic action and relatively powerful rifle cartridges.

Bullitt68 wrote:They know what I have. Broken no rules so they better a have a warrant or no deal.

Eris wrote:Since when are "semi-automatic mechanisms" made for the military and police only?

Another liar lying to get his way.

These are weapons that were designed for military and law enforcement purposes only and not for the general public.

max129 wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:18 pm I know this will not be a really popular idea:

There really is a limit to what society can take. Right now, we have what seems like an unprecedented rate of small scale mass shootings (less than 20 people - horrible, but barely a budge in the overall deaths per year). What, exactly, do we all think will happen to the 2A if the rate grows by 10 times the current rate. At some point, just for self preservation, there will be a consensus that 2A or no 2A, we have to get rid of the guns that seem to be the tools of choice for such attacks.

Of course, as I have stated before, one does not need a gun. A gallon or two of gasoline can kill a lot of people. But I do believe that if the current trends escalate, there is a point where even a reasoned defense of the 2A will do no good.

inomaha said:

Yes they are. It's not even NRA fearmongering anymore. It's straight out of the Dems mouth and a platform plank they're willing to beat you on the head with if you don't agree. They lie about how far they'll go (this time) so they can get to the end goal of zero. They've been lying less and less as they get closer to their goals in some of the bigger blue states.

inomaha wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:38 pm Yes they are. It's not even NRA fearmongering anymore. It's straight out of the Dems mouth and a platform plank they're willing to beat you on the head with if you don't agree. They lie about how far they'll go (this time) so they can get to the end goal of zero. They've been lying less and less as they get closer to their goals in some of the bigger blue states.

senorgrand wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:11 pm

inomaha wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:38 pm Yes they are. It's not even NRA fearmongering anymore. It's straight out of the Dems mouth and a platform plank they're willing to beat you on the head with if you don't agree. They lie about how far they'll go (this time) so they can get to the end goal of zero. They've been lying less and less as they get closer to their goals in some of the bigger blue states.

So this

YankeeTarheel wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:40 pm

senorgrand wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:48 pm oh, they are coming for all your liberties, they will just start with your guns.

No, they are already coming after all your liberties. Guns will be last, not first.

Trump and the ReThuglicans are attacking EVERY right BUT 2A. From freedom of speech, press and religion, to rights of the accused. The minority in the House is even trying to prevent certain negative words being used to describe Trump or his cronies--like "liar"!

Don't take my word for it, use your eyes: They won't let liberals keep their guns.

Bang wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:28 am

YankeeTarheel wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:40 pm

senorgrand wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:48 pm oh, they are coming for all your liberties, they will just start with your guns.

No, they are already coming after all your liberties. Guns will be last, not first.

Trump and the ReThuglicans are attacking EVERY right BUT 2A. From freedom of speech, press and religion, to rights of the accused. The minority in the House is even trying to prevent certain negative words being used to describe Trump or his cronies--like "liar"!

Don't take my word for it, use your eyes: They won't let liberals keep their guns.

In what way is Trump not coming after guns? He banned bump stocks by decree. He has openly voiced support for an assault weapon ban. He's actively pushing for red flag laws, and I quote "take the guns first, due process later." And now he's talking about banning suppressors. If that's not coming for guns, I don't know what is.

Re “Even in Massachusetts, there’s room to do more on gun violence” (Editorial, Sept. 1): Boston Police Commissioner William Gross knows all too well that there is more that can be done in Massachusetts to address the epidemic of gun violence. His proposal to allow for fines, fees, and the potential to impound a vehicle involved in gun trafficking makes good sense and could reduce the number of firearms in circulation on our city streets.

One addition to the omnibus bill your editorial endorses would be a ban on the sale and use of any rifle, handgun, or shotgun that contains a semiautomatic mechanism (allowing the firearm to discharge spent rounds automatically and load new, live rounds automatically with each pull of the trigger). Such a ban also avoids Second Amendment challenges, since it doesn’t affect guns per se, but rather the inclusion of a mechanism that allows them to be capable of inflicting human casualties on a scale that tragically has become all too common.

The Falmouth Gun Safety Coalition has been advocating for the passage of this proposal for some time, and we are persuaded that such a ban would be an important step in the fight against gun violence.