8 shot in metro-Chicago drive-by

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Saturday.
8 people shot, including 2 children, at birthday party in Englewood
Eight people were wounded, two of them children, in a drive-by shooting Saturday evening that targeted a birthday party in the Englewood neighborhood on the South Side.

Gunfire erupted at 6:21 p.m. at a barbecue in the 6300 block of South Seeley, according to preliminary information from Chicago police. The shots were fired from a red Chevrolet Equinox.

Eight people were struck, including two children who were rushed to Comer Children’s Hospital, police said. A few other people were taken to Holy Cross Hospital, while another was transported to Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn.

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I read that 31 people were shot in Chicago over the weekend. The new mayor said she wants to solve this by focusing on poverty and social problems. I don't think she mentioned gun laws. The Dems around her are clamoring for new gun laws.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/08/us/c ... tfoot.html

“If people don’t feel safe, they’re not going to stay,” Ms. Lightfoot said on Monday of gun violence. “If people don’t feel safe, they’re not going to have hope. If people don’t feel safe, they’re not going to invest.”

“Fundamentally, if people don’t feel like their lives are valued and they don’t value their lives, they’re not going to value their neighbors’ lives. So we have to disrupt that mentality and the only way that I know how to do it is to do it with investment.”
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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K9s wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:35 pm I read that 31 people were shot in Chicago over the weekend. The new mayor said she wants to solve this by focusing on poverty and social problems. I don't think she mentioned gun laws. The Dems around her are clamoring for new gun laws.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/08/us/c ... tfoot.html

“If people don’t feel safe, they’re not going to stay,” Ms. Lightfoot said on Monday of gun violence. “If people don’t feel safe, they’re not going to have hope. If people don’t feel safe, they’re not going to invest.”

“Fundamentally, if people don’t feel like their lives are valued and they don’t value their lives, they’re not going to value their neighbors’ lives. So we have to disrupt that mentality and the only way that I know how to do it is to do it with investment.”
Now she says the need is for federal restrictions that would prevent people from purchasing "military-grade" firearms across the state line in Indiana.
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/ ... 45925?s=20
‘We have to treat this epidemic of violence that we’re seeing as a public health crisis.’ —
@chicagosmayor
Lori Lightfoot wants to reframe violence in the city so officials can get to the real root of the problem and fix it

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Isn't "military-grade" just a marketing term like "tactical"?
The term "military grade" when not referring to a mil spec is 100 percent a marketing term used interchangeably with words like strong, tough, intense and high-quality. It links their product with some of the highest-rated products in the world
Pretty much anything can be tactical provided you are using it in a tactical application.

A word used by firearm, cutlery, ammo, or clothes manufacturers to make their products more appealing. The advertisement for said “tactical” products usually includes pictures of the armed forces, fire, explosions, people dressed up like SWAT members, and American flags

These tactical products tend to cost a lot more than regular products and usually offer nothing other than tacky looks.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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On 14 July, 2019, there was one of the frequent shootings on Chicago's West Side, in the Austin Neighborhood. A 22-year-old was killed. Bullets also hit State Representative La Shawn Ford's car. Representative Ford (D-Chicago), has been ambivalent about concealed carry in the City. He has been a representative for the past 12 years. He ran for mayor in 2019 but lost the election. In 2011, he was ambivalent about a concealed carry permit bill. He eventually voted present rather than vote against it.

Representative Ford sponsored and passed a bill creating a Violence Prevention Task Force in 2013.
On the Mancow Show, on WLS, he said he is encouraging people in his neighborhood to obtain concealed carry licenses so they can defend themselves. From wlsam.com:

Ford tells The Mancow Show on WLS-AM 890 that he is encouraging his residents to arm themselves against the violence.

“I think about it all the time,” Ford said of the shootings that plague his community. “That’s why I’m working with a concealed carry instructor and we’re going to go through the neighborhood and we’re going to encourage people to get their concealed carry license because it makes no sense for people not to have the protections that they need.”
https://www.ammoland.com/2019/07/illino ... z5uRhehudR
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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DispositionMatrix wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:33 pm
K9s wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:35 pm I read that 31 people were shot in Chicago over the weekend. The new mayor said she wants to solve this by focusing on poverty and social problems. I don't think she mentioned gun laws. The Dems around her are clamoring for new gun laws.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/08/us/c ... tfoot.html

“If people don’t feel safe, they’re not going to stay,” Ms. Lightfoot said on Monday of gun violence. “If people don’t feel safe, they’re not going to have hope. If people don’t feel safe, they’re not going to invest.”

“Fundamentally, if people don’t feel like their lives are valued and they don’t value their lives, they’re not going to value their neighbors’ lives. So we have to disrupt that mentality and the only way that I know how to do it is to do it with investment.”
Now she says the need is for federal restrictions that would prevent people from purchasing "military-grade" firearms across the state line in Indiana.
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/ ... 45925?s=20
‘We have to treat this epidemic of violence that we’re seeing as a public health crisis.’ —
@chicagosmayor
Lori Lightfoot wants to reframe violence in the city so officials can get to the real root of the problem and fix it
While I am willing to give Lightfoot a chance, the quote about Indiana causing the violence is just the latest in Chicago pols passing the buck on gang violence and not being willing to call it what it is.

We are where we are at in great part due to RICO federal racketeering charges against a lot of the high up gang leaders. In that vacuum, there is no one to keep the younger kids in check, and people are shooting each other over really petty stuff in Chicago. That's the unintended consequence of it all, and a really unfortunate side effect. The problem is that in a lot of the neighborhoods where a lot of violence happens, there is a vacuum of both power and opportunity. That breeds desperation and that desperation leads to violence. It's inevitable in fact.

Blaming Indiana is a cop out. We should be blaming the mass disinvestment and financial racism that has caused the conditions in the first place.

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Your quotes don't seem to support your claim. I don't doubt that she, like every other anti-gunner, might blame red states. The quotes all seem to blame poverty, not Indiana.

I googled it and see a lot of gun-site blogs and Hannity claiming she blames Indiana. I see her quotes blaming poverty.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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K9s wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:23 pm Your quotes don't seem to support your claim. I don't doubt that she, like every other anti-gunner, might blame red states. The quotes all seem to blame poverty, not Indiana.

I googled it and see a lot of gun-site blogs and Hannity claiming she blames Indiana. I see her quotes blaming poverty.
Lightfoot's statement about Indiana and "military-grade" hardware are in the video embedded in the linked Tweet. The text of the quote was the only text provided with the Tweet. Lightfoot has not recanted her claims about root cause but now has added The Party's line about the availability of hardware to her schtick.

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K9s wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:23 pm Your quotes don't seem to support your claim. I don't doubt that she, like every other anti-gunner, might blame red states. The quotes all seem to blame poverty, not Indiana.

I googled it and see a lot of gun-site blogs and Hannity claiming she blames Indiana. I see her quotes blaming poverty.
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/ ... 45925?s=20

1:25 into the video.

I am willing to give Lightfoot a chance, but lines like this are complete and utter rubbish. You can't buy "military grade" weapons, in any amount by crossing the border into indiana, and those alleged "military grade" weapons aren't the cause of the violence or even a part of the problem. Outside of a couple of gangs on 47th st a few years ago (including one that shot at a cop) rifles are NOT used in gang violence with any regularity.

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