featureless wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:55 am 223/556 is the best I've come across for home defense. More potent than any handgun round and less likely to leave your house if you miss. Tough to stick in your britches, but I don't sleep in those.

newbieshooter wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:37 pm

featureless wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:55 am 223/556 is the best I've come across for home defense. More potent than any handgun round and less likely to leave your house if you miss. Tough to stick in your britches, but I don't sleep in those.

I have read this often, but have not really looked into it enough to understand why. Being fired at much higher velocity than a 9mm round, wouldn't a 223/556 bullet be at higher risk of over-penetration? Or are we talking about a specific hollow point round that would end up being fragmented much more when it hit the walls because of the higher muzzle velocity?

YankeeTarheel wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:11 pm

Stiff wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:43 am My HD setup includes an 8.5" barrel AR pistol with two 30-round mags in tandem.

Unfortunately there are at least 3 reasons (maybe 4) why that's illegal in NJ.
If it's a pistol, you can't have a box mag that doesn't go in the pistol grip.
If it's a rifle, barrel must be 16"
Magazines went from a 15 round limit to 10 rounds last June.
I believe magazines in tandem may also be illegal.

Otherwise it's PERFECTLY legal here!
(except it's not...)

Marlene wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:53 pm Unless you have an architectural reason for a home defense handgun, a long gun is almost always a better idea. I have nothing good to say about the Judge. I'd sooner have a pump shooting full strength .410 loads much more comfortably and accurately.

Pistol caliber carbine is a good choice. Looking at numbers for damage to people (more) and overpenetration of walls (less) the counterintuitive choice of 223/556 over 9mm for this purpose is worth a look. If I was going to have a 223/556 home defense gun, it'd be a Ruger Mini 14 because it's not an AR, which is a scary gun to have shot someone with when you go to court (satan forbid it should ever come to that).

I'm gonna point out one other thing. I notice that your list is full of inexpensive guns. I love inexpensive guns, so I don't want to sound like I disapprove. I have a lot of guns and that includes my junk collection. If I was in a financial situation where I didn't get to have lots of guns, I wouldn't want to have only the cheap ones. I would much rather have a smaller number of high quality (not fancy) guns than a larger number of guns that had a higher chance of being troublesome. Some guns are a great deal and price does not equal quality (High point is an excellent example of a good but unglamorous gun for cheap).

Taurus makes good guns and their price is low because they include the customer in the quality control process. Usually you get a very fine gun. Sometimes you get a gun that needs to be sent back for work. They do the work. As long as you're up for your end of the bargain on that, you're in good shape.

I have not heard anything good about the quality of the Heritage Roughrider. A used Ruger is a much better bet for a 22 single action revolver.

lurker wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:08 pm in the drawer next to me is a 1911, the same one that goes to the range nearly every trip, and just beyond that on the bookcase are 7 8-round magazines. i suppose i should add a short pump or semi- shotgun. my 12ga is too long for inside the house pie-slicing, and anyway it's only a side-by-side, two shots. and i could see a pcc, too. just what i need, more guns.

K9s wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:34 pm I don't understand the use of 22LR for "training" versus shooting what you should shoot. No PD, SD, or military in the world trains with 22LR AFAIK. Can someone explain this to me? If cost is the issue: Dry FIre or Snap Cap?

senorgrand wrote:I live in CA, so I can't have more than 10+1 9mm. So my SD is 8 shots of 357 coming out of a 5" barrel. My new house is semi-surrounded by berms, so overpenatration isn't as big an issue as it was.

Of course, I might go deaf...

shinzen wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:20 am

senorgrand wrote:I live in CA, so I can't have more than 10+1 9mm. So my SD is 8 shots of 357 coming out of a 5" barrel. My new house is semi-surrounded by berms, so overpenatration isn't as big an issue as it was.

Of course, I might go deaf...

It was mentioned at national and made total sense- have a set of Howard leights by the bed for everyone. No reason to go deaf and the enhanced hearing is an advantage in the dark.

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spara wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:05 pm 9mm pistol without hearing pro inside isn't too bad. A 9mm carbine inside isn't bad at all. I like to try out things, so don't @me.

shinzen wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:20 am

senorgrand wrote:I live in CA, so I can't have more than 10+1 9mm. So my SD is 8 shots of 357 coming out of a 5" barrel. My new house is semi-surrounded by berms, so overpenatration isn't as big an issue as it was.

Of course, I might go deaf...

It was mentioned at national and made total sense- have a set of Howard leights by the bed for everyone. No reason to go deaf and the enhanced hearing is an advantage in the dark.

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K9s wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:34 pm I don't understand the use of 22LR for "training" versus shooting what you should shoot. No PD, SD, or military in the world trains with 22LR AFAIK. Can someone explain this to me? If cost is the issue: Dry FIre or Snap Cap?

SpaceRanger42 wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:40 am I disagree with training with 22. Train with what you are going to shoot.

K9s wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:54 pm As long as a shooter doesn't just rely on 22LR and then pick up a 308 and expect the same results...