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Jordan Peterson Talking Points

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:18 pm
by HuckleberryFun
Yesterday, I had an exchange with someone that was perplexed why I am not a fan of Jordan Peterson. He asked what is it that Peterson said is so objectionable. Having only watched 2 or maybe 3 of his videos before fleeing in disgust, I had to think a while in order to remember specifics. I responded that he is misogynistic, belittling of, and really doesn’t like women at all. Something about women being manipulative, etc? Hates poor people (losers)?

In short, I didn’t have enough info on hand to answer with specific offenses. Can the hive mind give me some bullet point / Cliff Notes short answers for the next person who asks “what’s wrong with Jordan Peterson”? I really don’t want to watch his videos to get my own answers. Yuck. Thank you.

Re: Jordan Peterson Talking Points

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:25 pm
by KlownKannon
Google Jordan Peterson Diet for starters. Even if he wasn't such an asshole for a host of other reasons I'd still like to force feed him a fucking salad.

Re: Jordan Peterson Talking Points

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:33 pm
by HuckleberryFun
KlownKannon wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:25 pm Google Jordan Peterson Diet for starters. Even if he wasn't such an asshole for a host of other reasons I'd still like to force feed him a fucking salad.
Well, I think an all-beef diet is dumb but on the other hand people obsessing over carbs is dumb too. I did google it and found an Atlantic article about his diet thatbalso included non-food felonies:
It is on grounds of his interpretation of income data, for example, that he has spoken out against the idea of a wage gap between men and women being unfair, as it can be explained away by biological factors associated with certain personality traits that are more valuable in the capitalist marketplace. From arguments from social-science evidence, he has expressed uncertainty that lesbian couples can raise children without a male father figure. And it is academic evidence that leads him to write in his book that “the so-called patriarchy” is “an arbitrary cultural artifact.”
Ugh.

That’s not a bad start on the path to indictment.

Re: Jordan Peterson Talking Points

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:43 pm
by K9s
How dangerous is Jordan B Peterson, the rightwing professor who 'hit a hornets' nest'?

https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... rnets-nest

“Peterson’s secret sauce is to provide an academic veneer to a lot of old-school rightwing cant, including the notion that most academia is corrupt and evil, and banal self-help patter,” says Southey. “He’s very much a cult thing, in every regard. I think he’s a goof, which does not mean he’s not dangerous.”

So, what does Peterson actually believe? He bills himself as “a classic British liberal” whose focus is the psychology of belief. Much of what he says is familiar: marginalised groups are infantilised by a culture of victimhood and offence-taking; political correctness threatens freedom of thought and speech; ideological orthodoxy undermines individual responsibility. You can read this stuff any day of the week and perhaps agree with some of it. However, Peterson goes further, into its most paranoid territory. His bete noire is what he calls “postmodern neo-Marxism” or “cultural Marxism”. In a nutshell: having failed to win the economic argument, Marxists decided to infiltrate the education system and undermine western values with “vicious, untenable and anti-human ideas”, such as identity politics, that will pave the road to totalitarianism.

Peterson studied political science and psychology, but he weaves several more disciplines – evolutionary biology, anthropology, sociology, history, literature, religious studies – into his grand theory. Rather than promoting blatant bigotry, like the far right, he claims that concepts fundamental to social-justice movements, such as the existence of patriarchy and other forms of structural oppression, are treacherous illusions, and that he can prove this with science. Hence: “The idea that women were oppressed throughout history is an appalling theory.” Islamophobia is “a word created by fascists and used by cowards to manipulate morons”. White privilege is “a Marxist lie”. Believing that gender identity is subjective is “as bad as claiming that the world is flat”. Unsurprisingly, he was an early supporter of James Damore, the engineer fired by Google for his memo Google’s Ideological Echo Chamber.

In many ways, Peterson is an old-fashioned conservative who mourns the decline of religious faith and the traditional family, but he uses of-the-moment tactics. His YouTube gospel resonates with young white men who feel alienated by the jargon of social-justice discourse and crave an empowering theory of the world in which they are not the designated oppressors. Many are intellectually curious. On Amazon, Peterson’s readers seek out his favourite thinkers: Dostoevsky, Nietzsche, Solzhenitsyn, Jung. His long, dense video lectures require commitment. He combines the roles of erudite professor, self-help guru and street-fighting scourge of the social-justice warrior: the missing link between Steven Pinker, Dale Carnegie and Gamergate. On Reddit, fans testify that Peterson changed, or even saved, their lives. His recent sold-out lectures in London had the atmosphere of revival meetings