Hint: It includes this forum and the various pages on FB, gun rights, voting, our democracy, and more.
Another fantastic video from Destin of Smarter Every Day.
Caution: Contains images of people in uniforms and of things blowing up that are incidental to the main message.
Re: The Future of War and How it Affects You
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:26 pm
by harriss
Pardon my cynicism.
What's the point of watching a 28 minute video of big children playing with very expensive toys? I'm 68 and a Vietnam Veteran. I worked on a line crew as an aircraft weapons tech. I serviced 20 mm Vulcan guns, 7.62 Vulcan mini guns, and loaded all manner of aircraft ordnance on all manner of fighter aircraft. This guy thinks he's getting his hands dirty but the truth is he has his dream job. That's fine for him. But what about the rest of us? I'm still getting my hands dirty but this has absolutely no bearing on my life today. Maybe it has some bearing on people younger than me. Maybe not. At any rate national defense should take a back seat to making sure that every American citizen has the necessities of life without having their spirit and will broken by uncaring political leaders.
Even if a large scale world war war starts tomorrow it will be over in a few days. Escalation to high yield thermonuclear weapons will happen as a matter of fact. And the guy in this video will end up in the same boat as everyone else. Small regional conflicts are another story but they too could end up with the use of nuclear weapons if we aren't careful. And my point is we shouldn't be getting involved in small scale regional conflicts or proxy wars or the proliferation of nuclear technology. Trump's acolytes are being investigated for trying to smuggle nuclear technology into Saudi Arabia. Why? Israel already has enough nukes to end civilization as we know it and Netanyahu is good buddies with the crown prince. Netanyahu will surely defend Saudi Arabia from the evil Iranians. But he might try to play both sides for suckers.
Re: The Future of War and How it Affects You
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:56 pm
by K9s
harriss wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:26 pm
But he might try to play both sides for suckers.
And use it to stay in power for life?
Re: The Future of War and How it Affects You
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:53 pm
by AndyH
harriss wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:26 pm
Pardon my cynicism.
What's the point of watching a 28 minute video of big children playing with very expensive toys?
Respectfully, I'm guessing you didn't watch to the end, or at least for the interview with General Brown, 'cause the war you're talking about isn't the point, and neither is it a "28 minute video of big children playing with very expensive toys". The first 10 or so minutes are a required intro to the important stuff that develops from there.
This is related - see if the pieces fall into place:
Also related are the attacks on congresswoman Ilhan Omar that required first twisting her message.
Re: The Future of War and How it Affects You
Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:12 pm
by harriss
Peak prosperity? Sorry Andy, I learned a long time ago investing is a fool's game. It wasn't always like that. In the 1930's many of the once mighty and wealthy so called masters of the universe starved along with the hoi polloi. Today, the masters of the universe make big bucks no matter what the equity markets do and they can thumb their noses at economic maxims like diminishing returns and supply and demand. Up or down, if you're investing in equity markets, even in so called safe index funds, the so called masters of the universe will eat you for breakfast, lunch, and dinner and for dessert before bedtime.
I'd like to see Destin interview Trump. I think that would be a hoot.
Re: The Future of War and How it Affects You
Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:02 am
by CDFingers
Very much enjoyed the smarter every day vid. I saw that Vietnam-era vets and civvies might be fighting "the last war" rather than looking at what the General talked about. Some takeaways about this new kind of war:
The chess pieces can think on their own
Multi dimensional operations
The human aspect in the cyber domain is very important
A danger exists that our enemies can amplify our divisions and use it against us
The most important deception is to convince us that we're not in conflict
We can engage in proactive intentional unity
We need more to use "the art of disagreeing well"
Yes: this forum is part of the cyber domain of modern warfare.
I'm glad I can hit a cantaloupe every time at 200 meters with several of my rifles, cantaloupes being the great analog for the brain of a sabre toothed wildebeest.
CDFingers wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:02 am
Very much enjoyed the smarter every day vid. I saw that Vietnam-era vets and civvies might be fighting "the last war" rather than looking at what the General talked about. Some takeaways about this new kind of war:
The chess pieces can think on their own
Multi dimensional operations
The human aspect in the cyber domain is very important
A danger exists that our enemies can amplify our divisions and use it against us
The most important deception is to convince us that we're not in conflict
We can engage in proactive intentional unity
We need more to use "the art of disagreeing well"
Yes: this forum is part of the cyber domain of modern warfare.
I'm glad I can hit a cantaloupe every time at 200 meters with several of my rifles, cantaloupes being the great analog for the brain of a sabre toothed wildebeest.
War is a racket. Agreed. All profit-making industrialists and legislators/presidents voting for going to war should be required to have their kid and/or grand kids on the front lines from beginning to end.
Re: The Future of War and How it Affects You
Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:39 pm
by YankeeTarheel
Been watching the Amazon series The First World War. Despite some known and obvious holes, and a definite bias against the Central Powers, while playing down those of the Allies (even the Russian pogroms and anti-Semitism as bad or worse than the Germans), plus overstating the competence of the Allied military, it's been full of some of the real horrors of that most miserable war, started by a bunch of egotistical short-sighted numskulls who didn't know how to even try to avoid it.
The "Christian" reactionaries keep comparing Putin's Shit-Stain to King Cyrus of the Persians, when the much better analogy would be to Kaiser Willhelm II and Tsar Nicholas II. The first was an arrogant, insecure, immature, egotistical blowhard who tried to claim he was a man of the people, and the latter was a total incompetent nothing who detested the Jews in his empire (though it's doubtful if he ever met any) and thoroughly subscribed to the lies in that scurrilous forgery "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion". I don't know if it was written by his secret police or his father's. But take both of their worst qualities and you've got:
the shit-stain.
Re: The Future of War and How it Affects You
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:19 am
by highdesert
Also watched it to the end, the general was very interesting. Even more "industrialists" sharing the spoils in future wars with the added cyber element. Even companies considered benign like Amazon, but they own most of the cloud.
Re: The Future of War and How it Affects You
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:44 am
by TrueTexan
YankeeTarheel wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:39 pm
Been watching the Amazon series The First World War. Despite some known and obvious holes, and a definite bias against the Central Powers, while playing down those of the Allies (even the Russian pogroms and anti-Semitism as bad or worse than the Germans), plus overstating the competence of the Allied military, it's been full of some of the real horrors of that most miserable war, started by a bunch of egotistical short-sighted numskulls who didn't know how to even try to avoid it.
The "Christian" reactionaries keep comparing Putin's Shit-Stain to King Cyrus of the Persians, when the much better analogy would be to Kaiser Willhelm II and Tsar Nicholas II. The first was an arrogant, insecure, immature, egotistical blowhard who tried to claim he was a man of the people, and the latter was a total incompetent nothing who detested the Jews in his empire (though it's doubtful if he ever met any) and thoroughly subscribed to the lies in that scurrilous forgery "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion". I don't know if it was written by his secret police or his father's. But take both of their worst qualities and you've got:
the shit-stain.
WWI was the fault of the British Monarch Victoria. Had she told Albert to go sleep on the couch and not had so many babies that their descendants become the monarchs of other countries there may not have been a WWI or WWII.
Re: The Future of War and How it Affects You
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:48 pm
by YankeeTarheel
You can't blame Vickie for having the hots for Al when they were young.
But marrying her kids off to Russia, Germany, Austria, Romania (yes, there too), Greece, Italy and the rest of Europe was probably engineered more by the government than by the royals.
Re: The Future of War and How it Affects You
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:46 pm
by harriss
I consider the wars of the first half of the 20th Century to be the second Thirty Years War in Europe. The first, in the 17th Century wasn't a picnic either, although the cause and effect was different and 8 million people died. It was also the time of Cromwell and the English Civil War. The founders of the US were much affected by this and wanted a government that would avoid religious, sectional, and factional civil wars. Obviously 240 years later we find they failed.
harriss wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:12 pm
Peak prosperity? Sorry Andy, I learned a long time ago investing is a fool's game.
The video isn't about investing.
One of the main points of the first video is the description of how Russia won the territory they wanted five years ago without using traditional warfare, and how even folks here don't fact check or watch critically and are thus easily used as pawns in the info war. We're in a hot war and our highest levels of government have been compromised...and most Americans don't even realize that it's happening or that they're playing a part.
Re: The Future of War and How it Affects You
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:00 pm
by K9s
I know this may not be relevant, but it just hit me that our forever wars may easily become 30 Years Wars in length, anyway. Plenty of death and destruction for decades.
harriss wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:12 pm
Peak prosperity? Sorry Andy, I learned a long time ago investing is a fool's game.
The video isn't about investing.
One of the main points of the first video is the description of how Russia won the territory they wanted five years ago without using traditional warfare, and how even folks here don't fact check or watch critically and are thus easily used as pawns in the info war. We're in a hot war and our highest levels of government have been compromised...and most Americans don't even realize that it's happening or that they're playing a part.
And that makes, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, once part of the Soviet Union very nervous. Russia seized Crimea and have special forces in Eastern Ukraine, weaken the EU and the next line is the old Iron Curtain countries. Surely they still have fifth columnist out there.