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dittoEris wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:34 pm The only time I went to California I just left my guns at home. It didn't seem worth the risk to take anything.
Bringing in ammo is now a moot point but I would have risked it because the risk is extremely small. I can't think of a likely scenario where LEO will have the reasonable suspicion to search the trunk, discover the locked case, and be able to legally open the case without my permission. Even then, the officer will have to know about the potential violation and care about it. From what I've read, a LEO is more likely to think a loaded mag is a loaded gun. I keep my loaded mags in the same case as the gun.K9s wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:47 pmIf it is illegal to bring in ammo and cannot buy ammo with an out-of-state license, I think having ammo might be enough for the CHP to charge you. I could be wrong.BKinzey wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:14 pm Keep the conversation to why the officer pulled you over. It's unlikely the officer will ask you about weapons in the trunk. If you do mention you have a firearm in the vehicle the officer can check that firearm to see if it is being transported legally. Which, if they are on a fishing expedition, they can use as an excuse to search your entire vehicle. Who wants to stand on the side of the road while the police search your vehicle?
If your interaction with LEO goes so wrong that they are searching your vehicle, discover your firearm (that you legally carried locked up) and start asking about ammo... SHUT UP! STOP TALKING! Tell them you need to confer with a lawyer before answering any questions. Remember, if they want to charge you with bringing ammo into the state they have to prove you did. Did they follow you from the state line to where you are now? Is there anyplace along your route you could have bought ammo? You don't have to carry receipts.
Don't bring any greater than 10 round mags.
I transport in a soft nylon nondescript case. One that has double zippers and loops on the zippers. I put a lock through the zippers. That meets the requirements in CA for transportation. If you place the case in the locked trunk you don't need to have a lock on the case itself but it is a gray area when you transport the case from your trunk to your hotel/ motel room. Should I need the firearm I won't bother with the key, I'll twist the lock and break the zipper loop.
You can have loaded magazines in the same case as long as they are not in the firearm although some cops aren't aware of that, they think a loaded mag is a loaded gun. That came from a law about gang members, say you have the gun and your BFF has the loaded mag. You aren't a known gang member are you? Still, some won't have loaded mags and some carry ammo separately.
It's a secondary reason I have a lock on the case itself. The cop will have to explain why he searched my vehicle and whatever he was looking for might be in the locked case. This will also be at a point where I have hopefully heeded my own advice and shut up.
I keep loaded mags in the same locked case as the firearm.
Even if your glove box or "utility compartment" locks, don't put the firearms in there. They are specifically excluded in the law for storage.
Your chances on being stopped by police are small, that they ask about firearms in your vehicle are much smaller.
Either way, why risk it??
My understanding is that this policy is widely enforced. I have asked several gun shops in CA if they can sell ammo to me using my Nevada license - the answer was universally "No".Q: What if I am not a California resident and/or do not have a California ID?
A: We have spoken with the CA DOJ on 12/19/2018, and they have confirmed that we cannot sell ammunition to non-California residents. You must have a valid CA driver's license in order for us to run the eligibility check and sell you ammo.
Please see Mustang's post, it's #28 in this thread. It is legal for an out of state resident to bring ammo into this state.max129 wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:59 am ... it is illegal to transport Nevada ammo across the border, even locked in the trunk...
Not to be a Taurus fan boy, but they sell some really affordable revolvers. Many bought a revolver or two back in the day when they were worried about national mag cap restrictions and semi-auto bans. The .38/.357 can be found for mid-$200. I would suggest a revolver as a good thing for anyone to have - just in case.spirit4earth wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:13 am I would have to sell my M&P to buy a revolver, and I’m not sure I want to do that. My M&P is actually fun to shoot!
You are correct, I believe that is the actual regulation. And yet, I am paranoid.BKinzey said:
Please see Mustang's post, it's #28 in this thread. It is legal for an out of state resident to bring ammo into this state.max129 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:59 am
... it is illegal to transport Nevada ammo across the border, even locked in the trunk...
I'm not sure how the widely-held belief that non-residents can not legally purchase ammunition in California got started. There is no doubt that LAX Ammo's FAQ page does advise that CA DOJ confirmed to them that non California residents can not purchase ammunition in California, but I can find nothing in the new laws to support that interpretation.max129 wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:59 amMy understanding is that this policy is widely enforced. I have asked several gun shops in CA if they can sell ammo to me using my Nevada license - the answer was universally "No".Q: What if I am not a California resident and/or do not have a California ID?
A: We have spoken with the CA DOJ on 12/19/2018, and they have confirmed that we cannot sell ammunition to non-California residents. You must have a valid CA driver's license in order for us to run the eligibility check and sell you ammo.
Bisbee's experience is probably more common away from Urban areas. In the greater Bay Area, I was told 'no dice' on out of State ammo purchases.
Apparently, the few in-State hunting guides simply supply ammo to clients from other States.
And, the reason given in the quote is the reason I was given: they need to run an eligibility check to see you ammo and they only cover CA driver's license or ID holders. One of the practical challenges from the poorly constructed law is that this an unfunded burden placed on the LGS.
I have made a similar point before. If you look on Google Maps, and plot a route between Las Vegas, NV and Lake Havasu, AZ, there are two main routes: a West route, which takes your through California for several miles and an East route through Bullhead City. In the past, I took the West route, and I could lock up my firearms in the trunk for the brief sprint through California. Now, I must take the East route because it is illegal to transport Nevada ammo across the border, even locked in the trunk.
As for "the police don't care". If you get into a serious accident, committing a firearms crime will get heaped upon your other woes.
Exactly! This is what the LGS in the Bay Area have told me. They cannot spend time and money on background checks for ammo purchases for out of State people.spirit4earth said:
So would there be an FFL fee on top of the price of the ammo?
Yes...$19, so make it a big purchase.spirit4earth wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:11 pm So would there be an FFL fee on top of the price of the ammo?
spirit4earth wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:49 am Damn. Maybe instead of coming up from the south, I’ll visit friends in Seattle, leave the gun with them, and travel from the north.
Is there a round limit that one can purchase in California? And a round limit for how many rounds you can own?
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