Bisbee wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:59 pm As an AZ resident with an out of state license, I was able to buy 9mm at a CA Wallyworld back in Dec. Maybe things have changed as if 2019?

We have spoken with the CA DOJ on 12/19/2018, and they have confirmed that we cannot sell ammunition to non-California residents. You must have a valid CA driver's license in order for us to run the eligibility check and sell you ammo.

“Damn” just about sums up this mess.

The ban on importing ammunition into California only applies to California residents.

California PC section 30314, the law governing importation of ammunition into the state, states...

(a) Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of this state shall not bring or transport into this state any ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained from outside of this state unless he or she first has that ammunition delivered to a licensed ammunition vendor for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30312.

(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:

(1) An ammunition vendor.

(2) A sworn peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, or sworn federal law enforcement officer, who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the officer’s duties.

(3) An importer or manufacturer of ammunition or firearms who is licensed to engage in business pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.

(4) A person who is on the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees maintained by the Department of Justice pursuant to Article 6 (commencing with Section 28450) of Chapter 6 of Division 6.

(5) A person who is licensed as a collector of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, whose licensed premises are within this state, and who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 26710.

(6) A person who acquired the ammunition from a spouse, registered domestic partner, or immediate family member as defined in Section 16720.

(c) A violation of this section is an infraction for any first time offense, and either an infraction or a misdemeanor for any subsequent offense.
(Added November 8, 2016, by initiative Proposition 63, Sec. 8.7.)

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/face ... nNum=30314

As a resident of another state, you should be fine, as long as you observe the other laws related to 10 round magazines and lawful transportation of your firearm (unloaded and stored in a locked container other then the glove box or utility compartment)

It’s interesting that a nonresident isn’t mentioned. Well, I need to find some 10rd mags, that’s for sure.

Thank you, Mustang! That really sheds light on the issue.

The background check part of the law went into effect Jan 2019. Prior to that I was definitely able to purchase ammo from two different stores back in December by showing my AZ ID (no background check or fees involved).

I should check to see the differences now while I’m still in the Golden State.

Bisbee wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:06 pm Thank you, Mustang! That really sheds light on the issue.

The background check part of the law went into effect Jan 2019. Prior to that I was definitely able to purchase ammo from two different stores back in December by showing my AZ ID (no background check or fees involved).

I should check to see the differences now while I’m still in the Golden State.

No Sweat, Bis.

Actually, the background check part of the law does not go into effect until July 1, 2019, so you still have some time to stock up

Dang, Mustang! Great job!

If it were me, spirit4earth, I would get a ProMag or some other inexpensive 10 rounder. It looks like the factory version costs about $30. Is that correct?

K9s wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:28 pm Dang, Mustang! Great job!

If it were me, spirit4earth, I would get a ProMag or some other inexpensive 10 rounder. It looks like the factory version costs about $30. Is that correct?

I think so, but I can’t find any in stock for the 2.0 9 compact. I’ll get the ProMag if I can!

Well... for a HD gun, I wouldn't exactly consider "inexpensive" as a positive qualification, even as a temporary measure. In fact, quite the opposite. That's the quandary I've had in considering 10 round mags for a Glock 17. Magpul supposedly makes acceptably reliable mags for the range but everyone still asks whether saving $15 per mag is worth sacrificing the reliability of a factory magazine in a high-anxiety Self Defense situation. For most folks (who don't train to clear jams on an automatic regularly) all it takes to put the gun out of commission in such tense situations is one jam or failure-to-feed.

Spirit4earth, consider buying a revolver for your SD needs before you start to travel. A .38 special snubbie preferable with a laser-sight for point and shoot reliability. No aiming, no safeties, no jams. And really, after 5 shots if the job ain't done you should really be running away. -I know that's true for me anyway.

Well, correction... Can't travel with a loaded gun. And loading a revolver when you need it is a no-go in a stressful situation.

K9s wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:28 pm Dang, Mustang! Great job!

If it were me, spirit4earth, I would get a ProMag or some other inexpensive 10 rounder. It looks like the factory version costs about $30. Is that correct?

Thanks, K9! I love California, but an unfortunate byproduct of living here is the necessity of reading up on the crazy gun laws they pass.

Bisbee wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:52 pm Well... for a HD gun, I wouldn't exactly consider "inexpensive" as a positive qualification, even as a temporary measure.

Have to agree with Bisbee. As much as it may sting a bit to buy the more expensive factory 10 round magazines, you want your M&P to function reliably in a pinch. ProMags have a poor reputation for quality. If you need your pistol for an extreme situation, do you really want to depend on a questionable magazine?

Bisbee wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:52 pm Well... for a HD gun, I wouldn't exactly consider "inexpensive" as a positive qualification, even as a temporary measure.

ProMags are not unreliable. They are less expensive for a one-time trip and the springs may not last as many years.

K9s wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:24 pm

Bisbee wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:52 pm Well... for a HD gun, I wouldn't exactly consider "inexpensive" as a positive qualification, even as a temporary measure.

ProMags are not unreliable. They are less expensive for a one-time trip and the springs may not last as many years.

The problem may be availability.

None of the S&W 2.0 M&P's are on the California roster. The only people who can buy them are "roster exempt" individuals (LEO's in the main), who are also "10-round magazine exempt". I'm not sure that ProMag (or anyone else) makes 10 round magazines for the S&W 2.0 9mm M&P compact.

Yeah, I cannot find anything except factory mags. If it helps, spirit4earth, here is a list of prices: https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/194630000

I have never used $6 mag blocks, so I cannot comment on them. I don't know if mag blocks make a 15 rounder a legal 10 rounder or not. If so, those seem cheaper.... "This Magblock fits the Smith & Wesson M&P 2.0 15 round 9mm magazines and will limit them to 10 rounds. New design easily installs at the base of the spring. It is held in place with spring tension alone or can be glued or epoxied if desired. Block comes ready to install."

https://www.magazineblocks.com/magento/ ... miter.html

Magblocks are a legal grey area. If you install it with strong glue that prevents disassembly and returning the magazine to full capacity by hand, that may pass legal muster. If you can disable the glued magblocks by hand you’ve got a problem. But if you have to use tools to increase its capacity back to standard again then the magazine is CA approved (according to everything I read anyway).

Bisbee wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:14 pm Magblocks are a legal grey area. If you install it with strong glue that prevents disassembly and returning the magazine to full capacity by hand, that may pass legal muster. If you can disable the glued magblocks by hand you’ve got a problem. But if you have to use tools to increase its capacity back to standard again then the magazine is CA approved (according to everything I read anyway).

OMG gun control is confusing.

I can’t even find S&W 10rd mags at this point.

I don't know if full sized m&p9 magazines will fit or not. If you find they will, I'd be happy to mail you a loaner.

spirit4earth wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:59 pm I can’t even find S&W 10rd mags at this point.

Your M&P is a 2.0, right?

spirit4earth wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:59 pm I can’t even find S&W 10rd mags at this point.

I gave you a link to a whole list of stores and prices. https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/194630000

This one is $27 plus shipping. https://gunmagwarehouse.com/smith-wesso ... 30000.html

featureless wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:09 pm I don't know if full sized m&p9 magazines will fit or not. If you find they will, I'd be happy to mail you a loaner.

Thank you! I’m not sure when I’m leaving, but it will be much later in the summer. I believe 8 read today that the full size 10rd mags don’t work.

K9s wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:19 pm

spirit4earth wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:59 pm I can’t even find S&W 10rd mags at this point.

I gave you a link to a whole list of stores and prices. https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/194630000

This one is $27 plus shipping. https://gunmagwarehouse.com/smith-wesso ... 30000.html

Those are for the 1.0 9c. They won’t fit the 2.0. I think they’ll be back in stock before I hit the road.

Thank you so much to everyone for sharing your ideas and knowledge!

spirit4earth wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:25 pm

featureless wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:09 pm I don't know if full sized m&p9 magazines will fit or not. If you find they will, I'd be happy to mail you a loaner.

Thank you! I’m not sure when I’m leaving, but it will be much later in the summer. I believe 8 read today that the full size 10rd mags don’t work.

Bummer.

OK. I thought is said that fit yours. I do wish you the best of luck on this.

The only time I went to California I just left my guns at home. It didn't seem worth the risk to take anything.