Traveling through California

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I’d love to go to California on my next cross-country trip, but what would I do with my gun? I have a 15 rd M&P, plus I will have extra ammunition with me. Is it true that neither the 15 rd mags nor the ammo can be brought into CA, even if I’m just passing through? Is there any workaround for this?

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Passing through? To Hawaii? Mexico?

I never take anything even remotely scary to California. Too paranoid.

I don't know where you are from or what part of California you are visiting, so it is hard to compare laws. In Georgia, there are no differences in local or county laws versus state laws (state gun laws reign supreme here). I believe many other states like California have a patchwork of laws.
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http://cjrpc.org/interstate_1.htm
Federal Law on Transportation of Firearms

A provision of federal law serves as a defense to state or local laws which would prohibit the passage of persons with firearms in interstate travel.

Notwithstanding any state or local law, a person shall be entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearms if the firearm is unloaded and in the trunk. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm shall be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. Necessary stops, e.g., gasoline and rest, seem permissible.
You can pass through but no loly gaging. If you wish to stay a spell and visit Yosemite, maybe consider leaving the gun at home or possibly buying a couple of 10rd mags for your M&P to stay ahead of their laws.
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Get a 10 round mag. Or, leave it at home. If you leave it in your trunk the whole time, it doesn't do much good and it might get stolen.

Carry a basic (legal) pocketknife or a baseball bat in your car, if that is legal. California isn't Mad Max Australia. You will be fine.
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Is there a way to check it in with an FFL in AZ for safekeeping? I would check out your planned path of travel first and see if California is the only state you should worry about. All these crazy laws are why I never take any firearm or knife into California.

About transporting ammo into California? Good question. This is what I found: https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/article189213039.html
Can I drive in ammunition I bought out of state?

No. On Jan. 1, it will be illegal to import into California ammunition purchased in another state. The legislature passed a bill in 2016 that would have allowed hunters to bring in up to 50 rounds from out of state without taking it to a dealer, but Proposition 63 overrode that, according to the Department of Justice.
I found some answers here: https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/travel

If you are hiking in Yosemite, I doubt you can carry your pistol on the trail even if it is in a locked box.

I still vote for the 10 round mag. I assume they aren't that expensive? I live in a red state, so magazine capacity is not a problem, but I do pick up a 10 round mag when they are cheap (they almost always cost more than 10+ round mags) just in case the Fed Gov institutes mag restrictions.
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I could get a couple of 10 rd mags, but it might not solve the problem. My understanding is that even spending a night in a hotel with an unloaded pistol locked in a vault is illegal. I could only pass through the state. I’m not afraid of California by any means, but I do want to take my gun while traveling alone around the country. I can’t leave it at home...too far away! Maybe they’d never know I have it, but....
And then there’s the ammo. NO outside ammo is allowed, unless you’re a hunter, so I’d have to stash that somewhere, too. I won’t have much, but I’ll have some for sure.

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Not even hunters can bring in outside ammo, I believe. You cannot be the first person to face this problem. Maybe Calguns would know? Where are you traveling from?
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

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Naw, don't call law enforcement. They aren't lawyers. And everything has changed in the past year anyway.

Who said anything about an AR? I thought he was talking about a S&W pistol?

If traveling around seeing the sights in CA, it's easy enough to buy ammo once you are here in any CA Wallyworld.

What, then keep the receipt? I really don't know how CA is planing to enforce all these new laws anyway. It's not like they will be checking for fruits, vegetables and ammo at the border are they?
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spirit4earth wrote: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:58 pm I could get a couple of 10 rd mags, but it might not solve the problem. My understanding is that even spending a night in a hotel with an unloaded pistol locked in a vault is illegal.
This is not accurate.
https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/travel
I could only pass through the state. I’m not afraid of California by any means, but I do want to take my gun while traveling alone around the country. I can’t leave it at home...too far away! Maybe they’d never know I have it, but....
And then there’s the ammo. NO outside ammo is allowed, unless you’re a hunter, so I’d have to stash that somewhere, too. I won’t have much, but I’ll have some for sure.
The ammo thing is problematic, but you could also just buy a box while you're here
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I’ll be traveling from NC, and I’m a woman traveling alone. I did this last summer also, unarmed but and with no problems. Now I have my 9c, and it’s coming with me. I think it would be a farfetched scenario where CA law would even know I had a gun and ammo, but in that unlikely situation, I’d be screwed. Ammo can only be bought at an FFL in CA, right? Or is that still being fought in court? And I’ve read in multiple locations that, technically, spending the night in California counts as more than “transporting through the state”.
But, like K9s said, I can’t be the first to face this problem, and I’m sure people don’t disarm at the state line.

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Correct, the new laws say you may not import ammo into the state. It has not been granted a stay while it's in the courts, unlike some other legislation (unless I've missed something recent).

FOPA applies as long as you don't stay the night. Once you decide to stop for the night, you are no longer just traveling through.

As to what other folks do, I can't say, nor can I recommend that you break the law. To be compliant, you'd need to not bring ammo into the state and purchase it from an in state FFL. Do people break the law? I'm certain they do. Both intentionally and due to a lack of knowledge of CA's convoluted and in part, asinine laws. There are probably thousands of folks every year that come in and out of the state with ammunition and normal capacity mags that would result in charges if caught.
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A lawyer can tell you about CA guns laws but law enforcement like CHP can tell you how they are enforcing them. With almost 40 million people in CA not counting tourists, it is unlikely you'll have problems unless CHP pulls you over for a driving violation or you're involved in a vehicle accident or in an incident where you use your firearm. CA does have checks at the borders, but those are checking what produce you're bringing into the state to protect the agricultural industry, they're not customs agents.
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Shinzen's link describes how us California folk transport handguns: unloaded and in a locked case. I uss one of the cheesy metal lock boxes. Some folk use a locking brief case. Key is unloaded and locked up.

I haven't dug into the ammo law yet so have no idea if it applies to two loaded magazines. If it's a worry, stop at a shop across the CA boarder, buy a box and keep the recipient. Do not bring a magazine over 10 rounds. It is generally legal to keep a loaded handgun at your place of residence like a hotel or even tent (except state parks). Open carry is also generally legal in National Forests. The laws are really complicated though.

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The whole ammo thing is a mess and it's confusing for everyone, CA DOJ should have asked the Legislature to delay enforcement. LAX Ammo has a FAQ and just spotted this question.
Q: What if I am not a California resident and/or do not have a California ID?

A: We have spoken with the CA DOJ on 12/19/2018, and they have confirmed that we cannot sell ammunition to non-California residents. You must have a valid CA driver's license in order for us to run the eligibility check and sell you ammo.
https://www.laxammooc.com/california-am ... -for-2019/

They are not lawyers or law enforcement but ammo sellers.
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shinzen wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:16 pm Oof. That really shines a light on the fact that this law was poorly thought out and poorly executed.
It was complicated because it superseded laws enacted by the Legislature. The CA DROS (FFL) process was designed for CA residents purchasing firearms. Calguns does have some threads.
https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/for ... .php?f=349

Really hope the CRPA (NRA) lawsuit proceeds quickly and we win but it could be quickly stayed at the 9th.
http://michellawyers.com/rhode-v-becerra/

Trump is in a battle right now with Feinstein and Harris over three nominees to the 9th Circuit, Lindsay Graham is now Judiciary Cmte Chair.
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spirit4earth wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:44 am I’ll be traveling from NC, and I’m a woman traveling alone. I did this last summer also, unarmed but and with no problems. Now I have my 9c, and it’s coming with me. I think it would be a farfetched scenario where CA law would even know I had a gun and ammo, but in that unlikely situation, I’d be screwed. Ammo can only be bought at an FFL in CA, right? Or is that still being fought in court? And I’ve read in multiple locations that, technically, spending the night in California counts as more than “transporting through the state”.
But, like K9s said, I can’t be the first to face this problem, and I’m sure people don’t disarm at the state line.
If you have the time, that is a fun road trip. The hard part is the drive back home from California because I was so sick of being in the car. I never, ever took a firearm on those trips, though. It would be difficult to stay overnight in another state and drive into California each day because the state is so big. If you cannot bring in ammo and cannot buy ammo, maybe a Louisville Slugger in your trunk is a better bet? I hope you figure this out and have some fun on that trip! The states along the way are very cool, so you don't HAVE to go into California. Maybe plan a California trip with a flight and short stay instead (some day)?
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

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Keep the conversation to why the officer pulled you over. It's unlikely the officer will ask you about weapons in the trunk. If you do mention you have a firearm in the vehicle the officer can check that firearm to see if it is being transported legally. Which, if they are on a fishing expedition, they can use as an excuse to search your entire vehicle. Who wants to stand on the side of the road while the police search your vehicle?

If your interaction with LEO goes so wrong that they are searching your vehicle, discover your firearm (that you legally carried locked up) and start asking about ammo... SHUT UP! STOP TALKING! Tell them you need to confer with a lawyer before answering any questions. Remember, if they want to charge you with bringing ammo into the state they have to prove you did. Did they follow you from the state line to where you are now? Is there anyplace along your route you could have bought ammo? You don't have to carry receipts.

Don't bring any greater than 10 round mags.

I transport in a soft nylon nondescript case. One that has double zippers and loops on the zippers. I put a lock through the zippers. That meets the requirements in CA for transportation. If you place the case in the locked trunk you don't need to have a lock on the case itself but it is a gray area when you transport the case from your trunk to your hotel/ motel room. Should I need the firearm I won't bother with the key, I'll twist the lock and break the zipper loop.

You can have loaded magazines in the same case as long as they are not in the firearm although some cops aren't aware of that, they think a loaded mag is a loaded gun. That came from a law about gang members, say you have the gun and your BFF has the loaded mag. You aren't a known gang member are you? Still, some won't have loaded mags and some carry ammo separately.

It's a secondary reason I have a lock on the case itself. The cop will have to explain why he searched my vehicle and whatever he was looking for might be in the locked case. This will also be at a point where I have hopefully heeded my own advice and shut up.

I keep loaded mags in the same locked case as the firearm.

Even if your glove box or "utility compartment" locks, don't put the firearms in there. They are specifically excluded in the law for storage.

Your chances on being stopped by police are small, that they ask about firearms in your vehicle are much smaller.

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BKinzey wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:14 pm Keep the conversation to why the officer pulled you over. It's unlikely the officer will ask you about weapons in the trunk. If you do mention you have a firearm in the vehicle the officer can check that firearm to see if it is being transported legally. Which, if they are on a fishing expedition, they can use as an excuse to search your entire vehicle. Who wants to stand on the side of the road while the police search your vehicle?

If your interaction with LEO goes so wrong that they are searching your vehicle, discover your firearm (that you legally carried locked up) and start asking about ammo... SHUT UP! STOP TALKING! Tell them you need to confer with a lawyer before answering any questions. Remember, if they want to charge you with bringing ammo into the state they have to prove you did. Did they follow you from the state line to where you are now? Is there anyplace along your route you could have bought ammo? You don't have to carry receipts.

Don't bring any greater than 10 round mags.

I transport in a soft nylon nondescript case. One that has double zippers and loops on the zippers. I put a lock through the zippers. That meets the requirements in CA for transportation. If you place the case in the locked trunk you don't need to have a lock on the case itself but it is a gray area when you transport the case from your trunk to your hotel/ motel room. Should I need the firearm I won't bother with the key, I'll twist the lock and break the zipper loop.

You can have loaded magazines in the same case as long as they are not in the firearm although some cops aren't aware of that, they think a loaded mag is a loaded gun. That came from a law about gang members, say you have the gun and your BFF has the loaded mag. You aren't a known gang member are you? Still, some won't have loaded mags and some carry ammo separately.

It's a secondary reason I have a lock on the case itself. The cop will have to explain why he searched my vehicle and whatever he was looking for might be in the locked case. This will also be at a point where I have hopefully heeded my own advice and shut up.

I keep loaded mags in the same locked case as the firearm.

Even if your glove box or "utility compartment" locks, don't put the firearms in there. They are specifically excluded in the law for storage.

Your chances on being stopped by police are small, that they ask about firearms in your vehicle are much smaller.
If it is illegal to bring in ammo and cannot buy ammo with an out-of-state license, I think having ammo might be enough for the CHP to charge you. I could be wrong.

Either way, why risk it??
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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As an AZ resident with an out of state license, I was able to buy 9mm at a CA Wallyworld back in Dec. Maybe things have changed as if 2019?
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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