The Liberal Gun Club Forum

A blistering report released on Wednesday by an investigative panel looking into the Valentine's Day massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida last year, exposes a litany of school security breaches and chaotic protocol leading to the deaths of 17 students and faculty, and it recommends arming teachers to prevent or slow future on-campus attacks.

The probe also tears into school staff and sheriff's deputies involved in the incident, some of whom it says contradicted "ample evidence" captured on video and audio surveillance footage. The Public Safety Commission argues they either intentionally told falsehoods or offered differing accounts due to incompetence.

"All stakeholders—school districts, law enforcement, mental health providers, city and county governments, funding entities, etc. — should embrace the opportunity to change and make Florida schools the safest in the nation," the report says in its opening pages, which includes short biographies of each of the victims.

“If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.”

Clearly we’re speaking in generalities here. Every school – public or privatized – is different. But there is enough commonality to identify certain trends between each type of school to make general conclusions about each category. In short, despite any media or political propaganda to the contrary, public schools come out on top.

Deputy Peterson responded to the area of Building 12 within approximately 1 minute 39 seconds after the first shots were fired. Prior to his arrival 21 victims had already been shot, nine of whom were fatally wounded. This makes clear that seconds matter and that SROs cannot be relied upon as the only protection for
schools. Even if there is a rapid response by an SRO, it is insufficient in and of itself to safeguard students and teachers.

featureless wrote: Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:30 pm There's a lot of wisdom in this thread and no real satisfactory answers. I'm not a proponent of teachers being armed as a policy. I also don't favor the no guns on campus rules. I feel that if you've passed the carry hurdles, schools should honor it (though I'd much prefer some minimum threshold of training). I think this is again an area that points toward root cause mitigation as being superior to the overall health of our society.

Another thought that is usually left out is having teaching staff trained in bleeding control. Immediate bleeding control has been shown to save a lot of lives on the battlefield with very little training input. Keeping the pumping system working until the trained professionals get to the scene would save lives.

HuckleberryFun wrote: Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:41 pm That implies enough coolness under pressure to apply direct pressure to the wounded while under fire.
Still, it’s something everyone should know how to do, not just teachers.