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Car wreck response--are you ready?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:25 pm
by featureless
This should probably go in the emergency preparedness section but nobody goes down there. So...

Driving home today on the freeway, truck in front of me starts driving erratically, meandering the far left lane then veering back to the right. Truck then heads off into the right lane shoulder, still meandering, then hits the embankment, is rejected back across the two lanes (fortunately not into traffic, I'd already slowed down and hit the hazards to warn others behind me), teebones the center railing and flips onto its side in the left median facing traffic. I pull over, pass my daughter the cell phone, tell her to call 911 and STAY IN THE CAR!!!

I approach the truck, it's 5:30ish and getting pretty dark. I note the oncoming traffic is slowing down, realize I'm wearing a black fleece but have a white dress shit on underneath so take it off so as not to be invisible. I get to the truck having no idea what I'm going to find after it's had two solid head on collisions, one of which lifted it into the air, spun it around and landed it on its side. The two people are alive, conscious and panicking, motioning to the door lying on the dirt trying to get it open. Brains don't work (very well) during trauma. I check gas odors and flame having no real desire for anyone to get blown up. I tap on the front windshield to let them know I'm there and try to get the female passenger to get the window down. Neither speak English and my Spanish is limited to ordering beer and saying thanks. Guy pulls alongside me and asks if an interpreter is needed. I say yes and he pulls off past the wreck.

He notes the broken out window from the rear and starts talking to them, calmly. Another lady has appeared next to me and says she's a nurse in training. Then another man appears.We get the passenger door open up in the air. Interpreter guy has managed to get them calmed down enough to realize they need to get their seatbelts off and gets them out the back window. Both parties are mobile, somewhat coherent and no obvious injuries. About this time, the first fireman shows up. I tell him what I saw, tell him it looked like the driver likely lost consciousness (brake lights never even flickered on) and tell him my daughter is in the car on the shoulder and I need to either get her off the freeway or get my car wedged up into a more secure spot. He sends me on my way.

I had no idea what to expect as I got to the truck. Thankfully, injuries were minimal and I didn't need to practice any of my rudimentary bleed control. Things I fucked up: 1) that flashlight in the center console would have been real nice to have in my hand, 2) a bright yellow reflective safety vest should be in my door pocket (I've intended to put one there for years but hadn't--I'll be ordering one for both cars this weekend), 3) I didn't have a way to break a windshield if that had been necessary, 4) my knife, usually in my pocket, was in my gym bag, 5) I exposed my daughter to risk by parking in the median but I couldn't not stop, 6) my blowout kit (tourniquet, etc., was at home in my range bag)--while it wasn't needed and things can be improvised, it should have been in my car. Finally, my thought process was muddled and lack of ability to communicate didn't help. I'll never know their names and I wish them the best recovery.

Re: Car wreck response--are you ready?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:47 pm
by SubRosa
Kudos to you for doing the best thing...helping! :beer2: :bow: :clap2:

SR

Re: Car wreck response--are you ready?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:11 pm
by featureless
My knees was a knockin. I'm just so relieved they were ok and that my daughter followed instruction to not get out of the car.

Re: Car wreck response--are you ready?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:49 am
by DavidMS
You did the best you could with what you had. You did well. Decent training helps to develop a good mindset. Its helpful for me to read your after action report and learn from your experience.

Re: Car wreck response--are you ready?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:07 am
by enzuigiri
Thank you for posting this--what an experience. Sounds like you did great!

Thanks especially for posting your thoughts after the fact. I need to get safety vests for our cars. Got a first aid kit, glassbreak tool and flashlight, but need to train myself to think through all those steps before an emergency happens. No use having all that stuff if I just panic and forget everything.

Glad you were able to give assistance, and that the people weren't seriously injured. Kudos to you for being willing and able to help.

Re: Car wreck response--are you ready?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:10 am
by highdesert
:clap: Kudos, you were the first one on scene and started things moving! Sharp thinking, some people would have just driven on and maybe called 911. The translator was invaluable and the nurse trainee probably helped by doing a quick physical assessment. Thanks for the reminder on the yellow vest, I have to put mine in the car.

Re: Car wreck response--are you ready?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:02 am
by featureless
Lots of replay trying to fall asleep last night. Couple other notes: doing anything besides the freeway is disorienting, especially in the dark. I had to tell the women to be careful not to step backwards into traffic. It is great how the Hispanic community works, seeing my white ass, interpretor guy was ready and willing to help, even without knowing who was in the truck. Thanks to nameless interpretor guy for the help.

Having played scenarios through my head definitely helped in this case. Being sufficiently trained for everything is unrealistic, thinking through likelys is possible and does help with the what the fuck do I do now situations.

Re: Car wreck response--are you ready?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:15 am
by BKinzey
You pulled over and stopped. That put you into the positive column. Anything beyond that is a positive action.

Thank you for offering assistance.

Re: Car wreck response--are you ready?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:08 am
by Mikeinmich
I'm glad it seems to have worked out ok and you (and the other people) were there to help. :)

And ditto on the thanks about your thoughts afterward. I'm getting together my new "what to have in my truck" bag and never even thought about a safety vest (I did think a tow strap would come in handy here in the snow so you think I would have figured out that someone is going to wind up being out of the car lol).

Re: Car wreck response--are you ready?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:07 am
by featureless
Regarding after thoughts, I did a little research on breaking auto glass. It's designed to be tough stuff and a couple of kicks or a rock may not actually break it. They make little glass breaker doohickeys that seem ok but are cheap. It seems some of the pros carry automatic center punches for this occasion (similar to a regular punch but with a cocking mechanism, so no hammer needed). Also key, attack the corner of the glass, not the middle since the stuff bends--attacking the corner maximizes the impact and reduces deflection. I'll be adding one to each car.

Re: Car wreck response--are you ready?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:20 pm
by Wino
I carry OSHA vest (mainly because of work), flares, emergency flashers (do have to check batteries), but have failed to find a suitable window buster w/belt blade that I would trust - they seem so cheaply made, but I may be over thinking it.

Happy you made out of this with no harm. Read too many times when a good Samaritan ends up injured or worse because of all the idiots on the road.

Re: Car wreck response--are you ready?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:28 pm
by Eris
Wino wrote: Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:20 pm have failed to find a suitable window buster w/belt blade that I would trust - they seem so cheaply made, but I may be over thinking it.
I think you are over thinking it. This is an item that will probably never be used, and if it is might only be used once or twice, so designing it to last the centuries is not needed. It just has to work the first time.

Re: Car wreck response--are you ready?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:34 pm
by Bucolic
We carry them in case we encounter an overheated dog ( or child ) in distress in a locked car.

Re: Car wreck response--are you ready?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:03 pm
by Stiff
The important thing is you stopped to help, many people choose to drive on.

As for gear, every time I put my pants on there's a 2AAA flashlight in the front left pocket and a pen with a glass breaker in the right front one. They are both small and unobtrusive, but they get the job done.

The flashlight has a tail clicky button and only two modes (high at 224 lumens and low at 21). The high mode is bright enough for a self-defense flashlight paired to a handgun, and the low mode works for everything else.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005OLYVS2/re ... gCb1AQ63FS

The pen is made out of machined stainless steel, so it's quite solid and hefty. I need to carry a pen anyway for work, so it might as well serve as a kubaton and glass breaker.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B0BD3W0/re ... gCb8WQFJ7K

Next to my wallet in my left back pocket is a Victorinox Swisstool. It's a serious multitool, and it actually has a blunt tipped serrated knife, which would work very nicely to cut seatbelts. It's also a solid piece of metal than can be used to pry stuff. Having built-in pliers and screwdrivers can't hurt.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000H3AL9A/re ... gCbM83DX68

What can I say, I'm an EDC guy.

Re: Car wreck response--are you ready?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:31 pm
by AndyH
featureless wrote: Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:07 am Regarding after thoughts, I did a little research on breaking auto glass. It's designed to be tough stuff and a couple of kicks or a rock may not actually break it. They make little glass breaker doohickeys that seem ok but are cheap. It seems some of the pros carry automatic center punches for this occasion (similar to a regular punch but with a cocking mechanism, so no hammer needed). Also key, attack the corner of the glass, not the middle since the stuff bends--attacking the corner maximizes the impact and reduces deflection. I'll be adding one to each car.
Good job stopping!

My son's EDC knife has a point on one end to break glass. I've seen others with carbide points. Good idea to add a glass breaker and seat belt cutter to the center console. :hmmm: Maybe a couple of these would be good to have inside the cabin. Much less expensive than a Kershaw, so wouldn't mind if it got left at an accident scene. The TUV doesn't mess around with cheap equipment, so that's a plus, I think.

1x for $15
https://www.amazon.com/Lifehammer-Origi ... B000BN3A4Y
2x for $25
https://www.amazon.com/Lifehammer-Origi ... B000BMWXZM


https://kershaw.kaiusaltd.com/knives/kn ... eaker-blur

Re: Car wreck response--are you ready?

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:02 pm
by Stiff
If all you need is a glass breaker and a seatbelt cutter, for around $7 you can get a resqme. The glass breaker is spring loaded, so you don't need to swing. Just press it against the glass, and it will do the rest.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003PO38P2/re ... hCbJM19TXA

Re: Car wreck response--are you ready?

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:33 pm
by cris
Good to know the helping spirit is a happing thing. thanks for that. I assume you know this but it must be said. Moving someone out of a wrecked vehicle can mess them up in a serious way. Fire or probable further impacts excepted. Paraplegia,
cracked rib breaking and puncturing a lung. Old school was sixty second survey, make comfortable and don't move without a backboard, scoop stretcher, etc. That said, I haven't trained in decades.