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Here is his defense. The comments section is absolutely bonkers, one woman in there said “I’d rather see a hundred men go to jail falsely accused than see one woman not get justice”....

https://m.facebook.com/notes/neil-degra ... 826326613/


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Surprisingly he didn't scream and cry and talk about beer. He didn't vow to get even with his enemies either. What gives?

Greengunner wrote:Surprisingly he didn't scream and cry and talk about beer. He didn't vow to get even with his enemies either. What gives?

And one of the crazy women in the comments section actually used that as “evidence” of NDTs guilt, that he didn’t react with the appropriate amount of outrage if he was in fact innocent.


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That's a good example of my problem with the #MeToo Movement and why I don't Facebook or Twitter. Vigilante injustice.

Metoo only takes down liberals. It has absolutely zero effect on Republicans.

Republicans have taken control of the movement to kill two birds with one stone:

1) They are using it to falsely accuse liberal leaders to take them down.
2) They are putting out so many false accusations so as to discredit the movement in order to subsequently kill any REAL accusations against their own.

I have a hard time ascribing this one to republican operatives, although I absolutely believe the republican media and operators are ginning this thing up far beyond the merits. Based on the victim statements and NDTs response, it sure looks to me like the two most recent incidents (of the three accusations) were innocuous at best and creepy at worst, but nothing even approaching sexual violence or predation. As for the earlier incident from the 80s- not enough information for me to have an opinion.

She claims she was drugged with a glass of water. I don't remember "date rape" drugs being available/use in the early '80s. They didn't really appear until the late '80s - early 90s.

I'd heard of a "mickey" and there was the mythical Spanish Fly. I don't remember actual use of them though. Anybody remember the use of "date rape" drugs in the early '80s?

321FLSurfer wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:24 am I have a hard time ascribing this one to republican operatives, although I absolutely believe the republican media and operators are ginning this thing up far beyond the merits. Based on the victim statements and NDTs response, it sure looks to me like the two most recent incidents (of the three accusations) were innocuous at best and creepy at worst, but nothing even approaching sexual violence or predation. As for the earlier incident from the 80s- not enough information for me to have an opinion.

Yeah, the story about inviting the girl back for wine and then trying to flirt with her was pretty lame. Innocuous at best and creepy at worst is a good description. If, however, she was fired because she didn't respond to his advances, then we have a serious problem. The 80's date rape story is pretty weird, but who knows.

I like NDT, but people can be cool brilliant astrophysicists AND boorish pigs. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Spoken as a true writer with insight into the human condition.

I'd be shocked if the 2 milder stories turn out to be anything more than reserved women feeling creeped out by an overtly gregarious and perhaps touchy-feely man, which they have the right to be. The rape story, I don't buy it a all.

321FLSurfer wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:24 am I have a hard time ascribing this one to republican operatives

It was reported to a "Christian" news outlet first. Then Fox.

321FLSurfer wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:24 am I have a hard time ascribing this one to republican operatives, although I absolutely believe the republican media and operators are ginning this thing up far beyond the merits. Based on the victim statements and NDTs response, it sure looks to me like the two most recent incidents (of the three accusations) were innocuous at best and creepy at worst, but nothing even approaching sexual violence or predation. As for the earlier incident from the 80s- not enough information for me to have an opinion.

I too don't see it as Republican motivated, but they try to benefit.. This was Hollywood at it's origins and Hollywood has had a reputation for "casting couch" hiring, but some women and men have enabled this culture by giving favors to help their career (acting, academia, corporate...), wrong but not necessarily illegal if freely given, it was their choice. Even before #MeToo, production companies had been firing producers, directors, actors and actresses for bad behavior because of liability. They are a dime a dozen and you can replace them with performance professionals from around the world. As liberals we instinctively side with the "victim", but maybe those victims aren't giving the full story. Attacks via social media are like poison pen letters, the sender is anonymous and there isn't any evidence and motives are questionable.

BKinzey wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:57 pm She claims she was drugged with a glass of water. I don't remember "date rape" drugs being available/use in the early '80s. They didn't really appear until the late '80s - early 90s.

I'd heard of a "mickey" and there was the mythical Spanish Fly. I don't remember actual use of them though. Anybody remember the use of "date rape" drugs in the early '80s?

GHB existed back to the 1960s, it's now a Schedule 1 drug (used for narcolepsy). Katamine used to be a horse tranquillizer, it's now used in emergency medicine. Rohypnol is the famous date rape drug now illegal in the US.

https://web.archive.org/web/20050305152 ... olGHB.html

Wurble wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:47 pm

321FLSurfer wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:24 am I have a hard time ascribing this one to republican operatives

It was reported to a "Christian" news outlet first. Then Fox.

Really? Damn! I think the American public’s been trolled!

These allegations first started a few months back. Personally, it sounds like Tyson is a bit touchy feely, but I don't see him as someone who needs to be punished.

I lived in Santa Cruz for 10 years. I can’t count how many unsolicited hug offers I got.
On the other hand, his “I may not be able to control myself” if she hugged him was mildly creepy and a little sad.

HuckleberryFun wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:24 pm I lived in Santa Cruz for 10 years. I can’t count how many unsolicited hug offers I got.
On the other hand, his “I may not be able to control myself” if she hugged him was mildly creepy and a little sad.

Creepy? Perhaps, I wasn’t in the room. With the exception of the “date rape” allegation from the 80s, none of this feels like we are even playing the same sport as Weinstein, much less the same ballpark. But substance aside, the most extreme reactions (granted, from a fringe minority of commenters) are what scares the crap out of me. I didn’t really have much sympathy for the Kavanaugh-types claiming to be falsely accused, and I found Dr. Ford to be much more credible in that example, but I’m now starting to reconsider my previous convictions around the idea. Previously I believed that if an individual was subject to multiple accusations, that was indicative of a pattern of behavior, and that would be a difficult thing to discount. But these allegations against NDT do fit that metric, so now... I don’t know. It’s hard. I guess one thing is that on a substantive level, at least with the two most recent incidents, there doesn’t appear to be any disagreement over the facts of the incident, just what the repercussions were after the fact and the intent. The first incident though, that’s a difficult one to look past if we take the accuser at face value. Dammit, this sucks ona number of levels. I always just figured “don’t be creepy” and everything will be fine. Not sure if that’s still a valid assumption.

Multiple accusations, eh? Hmm, easy to to pull a bunch of fakes in this age of social media.

No, each accusation must be considered on its own merit,1 accuser or 100 accusers. Human psychology is easily fooled into prematurely convicting due to "patterns" because of our lizard brain. Thank ghad the justice system doesn't convict based on subjective patterns of accusation but on the weight of evidence.

Also, I believe one person's creepy is another person's Italian lover... Unfortunately, there is no metric for creepiness that serves to help keep us out of the court of public opinion.

Yup, it's tough to be in the public eye.

321FLSurfer wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:01 am

HuckleberryFun wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:24 pm I lived in Santa Cruz for 10 years. I can’t count how many unsolicited hug offers I got.
On the other hand, his “I may not be able to control myself” if she hugged him was mildly creepy and a little sad.

Creepy? Perhaps, I wasn’t in the room. With the exception of the “date rape” allegation from the 80s, none of this feels like we are even playing the same sport as Weinstein, much less the same ballpark. But substance aside, the most extreme reactions (granted, from a fringe minority of commenters) are what scares the crap out of me. I didn’t really have much sympathy for the Kavanaugh-types claiming to be falsely accused, and I found Dr. Ford to be much more credible in that example, but I’m now starting to reconsider my previous convictions around the idea. Previously I believed that if an individual was subject to multiple accusations, that was indicative of a pattern of behavior, and that would be a difficult thing to discount. But these allegations against NDT do fit that metric, so now... I don’t know. It’s hard.

This is why I wasn't on the "burn him" wagon over the Kavanaugh accusations. Ford was credible but lacked any evidence. The other accusations were weak at best. Another example of why it is so very important to proceed with investigation and prosecution when an event occurs rather than trial by media. If we're seeking justice, that is.

featureless wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:56 am This is why I wasn't on the "burn him" wagon over the Kavanaugh accusations. Ford was credible but lacked any evidence. The other accusations were weak at best. Another example of why it is so very important to proceed with investigation and prosecution when an event occurs rather than trial by media. If we're seeking justice, that is.

Same. Sadly, the #metoo movement has created a 'boy who cried wolf' mentality in which it is now incredibly difficult to weed out the liars from those telling the truth. Take Keith Ellison for example. His ex leveled abuse allegations at him prior to the midterms. I had no reason to doubt her claims but Ellison's supporters claimed that it was a hit job, whereas, they all believed Ford's allegations against Kavanaugh. So which is it? You want me to believe your guy but i'm not supposed to believe the other guy because he's the opposition?