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BKinzey wrote:I like my IBUs under 50 and prefer 30 or less. So not much of a fan of IPAs.

As I often readily forget what beers I had that I liked, I'm certainly not a nerd or aficionado. Often overwhelmed when selecting one.

Oh, ya, the prices, . It's BEER, not WINE!

TrueTexan wrote: Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:00 pm Susposedly Texas has more independent craft breweries than any other state. But for just plain drinking during or after a day of yardwork it is Shiner Bock the oldest independent brewery in Texas still using the recipe from over 100 years ago.

atxgunguy wrote: Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:55 pm When beer is drank, porters and stouts are my jam. We try to include at least a few breweries in our vacation plans.

It’s a cliche, but damn if the Guinness doesn’t task better in Dublin straight from the Wicklow Mountains.

SubRosa wrote: Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:17 am Tecate, the beer from rusty vats...

Brewed just to the West of us in the Laguna mountains.

Modelo and XX are really good, but Corona has gone like Bud and uses HFCS.

SR

atxgunguy wrote: Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:55 pm It’s a cliche, but damn if the Guinness doesn’t task better in Dublin straight from the Wicklow Mountains.

TrueTexan wrote: Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:34 am I love to see the faces of those calling Blue Moon a craft beer, when I tell them It is brewed is south Fort Woth at the Miller brewery using pure old Trinity River water.

TrueTexan wrote: Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:34 am I love to see the faces of those calling Blue Moon a craft beer, when I tell them It is brewed is south Fort Woth at the Miller brewery using pure old Trinity River water.

A battle is literally brewing between Pabst and MillerCoors, who were in court Monday to argue a case that could make or break the future of Pabst Blue Ribbon. For the past two decades, MillerCoors has been brewing Pabst’s legacy beers, including Pabst Blue Ribbon, Old Milwaukee, Lone Star, and Natty Boh. The two companies signed a brewing agreement in 1999 that is set to expire in 2020, with two options to renew. Without a renewal of that agreement, Pabst would likely have to halt production of many of its famous brands. There’s just one big problem. MillerCoors says it has less capacity for brewing and is not obligated to renew the deal. Pabst is arguing that MillerCoors, which has been facing declining brand volume in the United States, is trying to drive the competition out of business.

The nearly half-billion-dollar trial will be heard by a jury in Milwaukee County Circuit Court and is expected to last until Nov. 30. In addition to more than $400 million in damages, Pabst is asking for MillerCoors to work “in good faith” to help find a solution, even if the company no longer has enough capacity. In 2016, MillerCoors closed a 1.3 million square foot brewery in Eden, North Carolina, which had the capacity to brew more than 8.8 million barrels of beer per year. Pabst said it needs 4 to 4.5 million barrels each year. But MillerCoors isn’t sure it can help. The company previously said it may have to close one location in California that has the capacity to brew 6 million barrels of beer per year. If that happens, it would leave MillerCoors with six breweries.

In a statement on Monday, Pabst alleged MillerCoors “willfully breached our 19-year agreement in an effort to stomp out the competition.” “Even though MillerCoors’ market power is much larger than Pabst’s, we will not allow this industry bully to push us around,” the statement said. “We are confident that the court will see MillerCoors’ fabricated ‘capacity’ concerns for what they are: a thinly veiled, bad faith attempt to unlawfully hurt a competitor.” MillerCoors did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Paul Gatza, director of the Brewers Association, said he hasn’t seen the agreement between MillerCoors and Pabst. However, “a company that does not control its own beer production capacity would be at risk as the time of agreement winds down, particularly if there isn’t capacity at other breweries that would allow one company’s needs to be satisfied by other companies’ excess capacity,” he said.

The lawsuit comes at a time when beer sales are declining. Overall beer sales were down 1 percent last year, while craft beer sales were up 5 percent, according to the Brewers Association. In its third quarter earnings report last month, Molson Coors, the parent company of MillerCoors, reported net sales are up 1.8 percent. However, MillerCoors has lost 3.3 percent brand volume in the United States this year, largely due to declining sales of its light beers, which include Coors Light and Miller Lite. “We know you want and need us to fix these brands because they’re the biggest driver of our collective volume and profit,” said Gavin Hattersley, CEO of MillerCoors, in a blog post last month. “And we’re working to do that by revitalizing (them) with authentic positions that build respect for our beers.”

CDFingers wrote: Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:44 am Oh, yes. I can shoot an arrow and have it land in the Sierra Nevada Brewery parking lot. They're now brewing "Resilience" IPA and will donate all the proceeds to the Camp Fire efforts.

CDFingers

JColville wrote: Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:48 pm I tend to run towards Porters and Stouts. I love Oregon for all the micro and craft brewers here but I think there is a dearth of good, malty, liquid bread while everyone is trying to produce the latest batch of "Nothing But Hops" IPA.