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Isle of Jura used to be good when I could get it for $25 a bottle during the aughts. Now its in the $75 range I think.

The Japanese whiskeys are interesting and can be just as good as "real" scotch.
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Mason wrote: Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:52 pm Isle of Jura used to be good when I could get it for $25 a bottle during the aughts. Now its in the $75 range I think.

The Japanese whiskeys are interesting and can be just as good as "real" scotch.
Tastes go in phases and right now single malts especially smoky ones from the Isles are in and through the roof in price. The Japanese own Scottish whisky distilleries and I've been told ship whisky to Japan and blend it there for their own labels. In the US the Japanese own Jim Beam and Four Roses.

The French are big whisky drinkers.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/felipeschr ... 6540692df5
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FlyGuy wrote: Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:37 pm Funny thing y'all started mentioning Whiskeys from around the world. I was recently looking for venues for a party and found this place (see link).

Long story short, 300 bottles from around there world. I was told there was a special "Tasting Party" available. Basically you rent the room and pour away.

https://www.bosscatkitchen-houston.com/sip
Surprised they don't have a classic, Canadian Club. A lot of artisanal bourbons not there, too. I want to try Blanton's Bourbon, because an old friend is a Blanton and I just recently heard that about the family brew (don't know if she's ever had it).
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FlyGuy wrote: Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:37 pm Funny thing y'all started mentioning Whiskeys from around the world. I was recently looking for venues for a party and found this place (see link).

Long story short, 300 bottles from around there world. I was told there was a special "Tasting Party" available. Basically you rent the room and pour away.

https://www.bosscatkitchen-houston.com/sip
From the TX brands, I’d recommend the Red Handed from Treaty Oak. I have drank many a bottle. Local to Austin.
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MaxwellG wrote: Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:06 pm Scotch is nice, lately though I've been having Makers Mark, on the rocks or an Old Fashioned.
Glenlivet and Glenfiddich Single Malts are tasty.
Try Makers 46...it's smoother and not TOO much more expensive than its shelf mate, Makers Mark (but I never turn my nose up to M/M).

I like to try different artisanal Bourbons and Rums. I like to sip those, and really good Tequilas.

I'm no expert on Tequila but my two favorites are Chinaco (which has disappeared :cry: ) and Corso. I only like Anejo.

The 2 best rums I can readily find are Zicapa 23 year old, and Rhum JM VSOP, --a true Martinique Rhum Vieux Agricole, which is simply better than any non-Martinique Rum. Unfortunately, I expect to not be able to get it much longer.
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Hiker wrote:
JaxTeller wrote: Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:45 pm
Hiker wrote:drink bourbon instead
Makers Mark? Got a bottle of that too.
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FYI, I am not a drinker, but from what I have heard from others that like to sip a shot of good whiskey, sitting in front of the evening fire, they have switched from Makers Mark to Woodford Reserve.
Added to the list. Thanks.

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JaxTeller wrote: Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:18 pm
Hiker wrote:
JaxTeller wrote: Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:45 pm
Hiker wrote:drink bourbon instead
Makers Mark? Got a bottle of that too.
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FYI, I am not a drinker, but from what I have heard from others that like to sip a shot of good whiskey, sitting in front of the evening fire, they have switched from Makers Mark to Woodford Reserve.
Added to the list. Thanks.

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And if you try Makers 46, you'll probably switch to THAT from Woodford Reserve! :beer2:

Sipping Buffalo Trace tonight. Not as smooth as it could be, but the smoky flavor is awesome!
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Mason wrote: Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:52 pm Isle of Jura used to be good when I could get it for $25 a bottle during the aughts. Now its in the $75 range I think.

The Japanese whiskeys are interesting and can be just as good as "real" scotch.
Yes to Japanese whiskeys! So far I have Hibiki Harmony and Toki but I've had flights with Hakushu, Nikka Coffey Grain whiskey and Yamazaki.

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Forget gin, British drinkers are now drinking record amounts of American whiskey, with sales topping more than a £1bn for the first time. Whiskey is the UK’s fastest growing tipple as Britons drink more than 1m litres of the spirit every month. As a result sales grew 9% in 2016, compared with 7% for gin and a decline of 1% for scotch, the domestic rival to Jack Daniels, Maker’s Mark and Jim Beam.

American whiskey appears to have connected with millennials, many of whom have been introduced to it by fictional TV characters like Mad Men’s Don Draper and, more recently, bourbon-swilling super-hero Jessica Jones. According to Euromonitor, the research firm that compiled the data, the perceived conservatism of scotch has benefitted its transatlantic rival.

“Scotch is extremely traditionalist, and uber-conservative when it comes to positioning and innovation – partly because it’s a much tighter regulated industry,” said Spiros Malandrakis. The biggest mistake made by the Scottish whisky industry, he added, was that it had been “much more hesitant in embracing cocktail culture than American whiskey”.

A publican in one of the UK’s trendiest cities also cites the down-to-earth appeal of whiskey from the US compared with alternatives. “American whiskey doesn’t have the snobbery of scotch,” said Lee Standen, a bourbon evangelist and manager of the Great Eastern pub in Brighton. “If you go to any of the trade shows, you’ll see that the people attending for the scotch brands are all in tweed coats, whereas the people there for the bourbon are in jeans, T-shirts and trucker caps.”

Nidal Ramini, a spokesman for Jack Daniel’s, the category’s top selling brand, said American whiskey was “flying” in the UK. Cocktails, especially in high-end bars, are a big part of the American whiskey renaissance. For instance the midcentury classic the Old Fashioned – sugar cube, angostura bitters, soda, large ice cube and bourbon – was the top selling cocktail last year.

Much of the appeal has to do with nostalgia for 50s and 60s Americana, but there is a modern twist on the theme too. “Pit smoking, barbecues, American street food – burgers, ribs, wings, all of these things are coming from the Americana trend, and they’re naturally paired with bourbon,” said Standen.

Traditional pubs might be closing hand over fist, but the overall value of what the industry calls the “on-trade” – places where you drink away from the home – is still growing. On-trade sales for the spirits market overall were up 3% last year compared with 2% for supermarkets and shops, according to Euromonitor.

It is in the bars, clubs and restaurants where American whiskey has stolen its march on rivals like gin and scotch. New brands are coming into the UK market every month and distillers are wooing bar owners with special tasting nights and cocktail training for staff. The Great Eastern in Brighton now carries 130 different types of bourbon – the grain mash must be at least 51% corn – with prices ranging from £2.50 to £15a shot.

“People are well lubricated at the end of a bourbon night, but in a fun kind of way. It’s not that grumpy mentality that sometimes people say about scotch. You know, ‘I don’t drink it because it makes me feel a bit iffy.’ Bourbon doesn’t necessarily have that effect. It’s made from a very different kind of grain,” said Standen.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... ourbon-rye
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AKmando55 wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:30 pm Go Irish! Jameson's is my fav...
Jameson's is good smooth whiskey.

Another reason to like Glenfiddich (William Grant & Sons Distillers):
Donald Trump is making headlines in the U.K. after getting into a beef with one of the world's largest whisky companies over an awards' recipient. Trump, according to reports in The Guardian and The Scotsman newspaper, has called for a ban on whisky sold by William Grant & Sons from his resorts and hotels. The billionaire's stance comes after Michael Forbes, a resident who vehemently campaigned and objected to Trump's controversial Scottish golf course in Aberdeenshire, was voted "Top Scot" in a ceremony sponsored by the distiller's leading brand, Glenfiddich. Forbes secured the award last week in a public vote beating out the challenge of the Olympic tennis gold medalist and U.S. Open winner Andy Murray.

Trump said that decision was "an insult to both Andy Murray and Scotland itself." Trump also claimed that William Grant & Sons was jealous of his own in-house single malt whisky brand. Grant's surpassed the £1 billion ($1.6 billion) sales barrier in 2012 and is a big advertising sponsor of television drama on commercial network ITV. Trump tweeted: "Glenfiddich should be ashamed of themselves for granting this award to Forbes, just for the sake of publicity." He said the whisky manufacturer was "upset that we created our own single malt whisky using another distillery, which offers far greater products." In what is being billed in Scotland as a battle of the billionaires, Trump made a public pledge that no Trump property "will ever do business with Glenfiddich or William Grant & Sons." William Grant & Sons played down Trump's outbursts saying it has nothing to do with the voting for the award, which Glenfiddich has sponsored for 15 years. "We understand that there may have been some confusion and misunderstanding concerning the structure and running of the Glenfiddich Spirit of Scotland Awards," the firm said in a statement.

"Top Scot is a totally open category in which the people of Scotland can vote for whomsoever they choose and Glenfiddich has no influence on this decision. [The] Top Scot may be one of that year's category nominees or may come from any walk of life. The person receiving the greatest number of votes, cast by the people of Scotland, wins the award." It added: "In the history of these awards, we are not aware of the Top Scot award causing any offense or upset to anyone and it is not our intention to do so now. These awards were set up to give the people of Scotland a vote and we must respect their decision."

Forbes has proven to be a thorn in Trump's side ever since the U.S. property magnate and The Apprentice star announced plans for a golfing complex in Northern Scotland.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ ... sky-398736
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I wish I could drink Scotch. I'd buy Glenfiddich just screw over the orange shit-stain.

Jameson's and Tullamore Dew are the only Irish whisky I can drink. The single malts are too much like Scotch.

But neither is as enjoyable as a good craft Bourbon whiskey.
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YankeeTarheel wrote: Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:44 pm I wish I could drink Scotch. I'd buy Glenfiddich just screw over the orange shit-stain.

Jameson's and Tullamore Dew are the only Irish whisky I can drink. The single malts are too much like Scotch.

But neither is as enjoyable as a good craft Bourbon whiskey.
You're in luck, Tullamore Dew has the same owner as Glenfiddich, William Grant & Sons. So as you raise your glass of Tullamore Dew tomorrow you can do a one finger salute to the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Grant's has Scotch and Canadian whisky distilleries; and vodka, rum, tequila and mezcal brands but no bourbon. Maybe one day they'll buy a bourbon distillery.
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highdesert wrote: Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:40 am
YankeeTarheel wrote: Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:44 pm I wish I could drink Scotch. I'd buy Glenfiddich just screw over the orange shit-stain.

Jameson's and Tullamore Dew are the only Irish whisky I can drink. The single malts are too much like Scotch.

But neither is as enjoyable as a good craft Bourbon whiskey.
You're in luck, Tullamore Dew has the same owner as Glenfiddich, William Grant & Sons. So as you raise your glass of Tullamore Dew tomorrow you can do a one finger salute to the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Grant's has Scotch and Canadian whisky distilleries; and vodka, rum, tequila and mezcal brands but no bourbon. Maybe one day they'll buy a bourbon distillery.
Hot Damn! What brands of Tequila, Rum, and Vodka do they have? I far prefer sippin' Rum or Tequila to Irish!
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YankeeTarheel wrote: Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:03 am
highdesert wrote: Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:40 am
YankeeTarheel wrote: Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:44 pm I wish I could drink Scotch. I'd buy Glenfiddich just screw over the orange shit-stain.

Jameson's and Tullamore Dew are the only Irish whisky I can drink. The single malts are too much like Scotch.

But neither is as enjoyable as a good craft Bourbon whiskey.
You're in luck, Tullamore Dew has the same owner as Glenfiddich, William Grant & Sons. So as you raise your glass of Tullamore Dew tomorrow you can do a one finger salute to the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Grant's has Scotch and Canadian whisky distilleries; and vodka, rum, tequila and mezcal brands but no bourbon. Maybe one day they'll buy a bourbon distillery.
Hot Damn! What brands of Tequila, Rum, and Vodka do they have? I far prefer sippin' Rum or Tequila to Irish!
Their main site lists most of Grant's brands use the pull down at the top.
http://www.williamgrant.com/overview.php

They have whisky brands I've never seen here.
https://scotchwhisky.com/whiskypedia/26 ... nt-sons/#/

I gave a friend who is a rum drinker a bottle of Sailor Jerry Spiced Rum and she really enjoyed it. I've also given Hendrick's Gin as a gift and it was prized.
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highdesert wrote: Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:40 am
YankeeTarheel wrote: Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:03 am
highdesert wrote: Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:40 am
YankeeTarheel wrote: Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:44 pm I wish I could drink Scotch. I'd buy Glenfiddich just screw over the orange shit-stain.

Jameson's and Tullamore Dew are the only Irish whisky I can drink. The single malts are too much like Scotch.

But neither is as enjoyable as a good craft Bourbon whiskey.
You're in luck, Tullamore Dew has the same owner as Glenfiddich, William Grant & Sons. So as you raise your glass of Tullamore Dew tomorrow you can do a one finger salute to the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Grant's has Scotch and Canadian whisky distilleries; and vodka, rum, tequila and mezcal brands but no bourbon. Maybe one day they'll buy a bourbon distillery.
Hot Damn! What brands of Tequila, Rum, and Vodka do they have? I far prefer sippin' Rum or Tequila to Irish!
Their main site lists most of Grant's brands use the pull down at the top.
http://www.williamgrant.com/overview.php

They have whisky brands I've never seen here.
https://scotchwhisky.com/whiskypedia/26 ... nt-sons/#/

I gave a friend who is a rum drinker a bottle of Sailor Jerry Spiced Rum and she really enjoyed it. I've also given Hendrick's Gin as a gift and it was prized.
Thanks. Milagro is OK Tequila but I haven't tried the triple-digit$ stuff. For rum, I don't care for spiced rum, preferring aged rum, particularly Rhum Agricole (from cane juice, not molasses).
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eelj wrote: Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:05 pm It isn't bourbon unless it comes from Kentucky. If it comes from Tennessee or Texas it's sour mash.
Well, TECHNICALLY that's probably true, but these days spirits labeled "Bourbon" is made everywhere. Cooper's Mark is from Minnesota, for example.
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All bourbon is whiskey but not all whiskey is bourbon. But what actually distinguishes bourbon from all the rest?

According to Maker's Mark COO Rob Samuels, it comes down to these five things. He should know, his family has been making bourbon for generations and they started one of the world's most recognizable brands. His grandmother is the one who came up with Maker's Mark's signature hand-dipped red wax top. He currently runs the operations and knows how important it is to follow the rules.

1. It must be made in the United States. Contrary to popular belief, it doesn't have to be made in Kentucky, although 95 percent of the world's supply is.

2. Aging must take place in a new, charred, oak barrel. Maker's Mark gets its from ISC (Independent Stave Company) in Kentucky. Whiskey can be aged in used barrels and often is. The bourbon must be aged for at least two years to be considered a straight bourbon.

3. The mash must be at least 51 percent corn. Maker's Mark is way above the minimum at 70 percent.

4. The whiskey cannot enter the barrel at higher than 125 proof. It cannot enter the bottle at a proof less than 80.

5. Nothing can be added but water and only to lessen the proof when necessary. Other whiskeys can add color and flavor. Not bourbon, it must be au naturel.
https://www.cnbc.com/2015/06/04/5-rules ... urbon.html

https://americanbourbonassociation.com/bourbon-what-is
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