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VodoundaVinci wrote:

gator68 wrote: Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:23 pm

MaxwellG wrote:Protesting outside is OK provided there's no damage or threat.

Things like this don't paint a good picture on YT as it's only a small slice of the story.
If they broke the door down then that's a crime and in some states lethal force is allowed when "defending one's domicile".
If he let them in then he's a fool.
So whats to be done when extremists on both the Left and Right become emboldened and cross over from protest to physical confrontation?

The door wasn’t broken and no one came to the door.

That's funny....there are several credible news sources that claim that the door was broken and that someone did answer the door. Fake news? Or were you there/know people who were there?

Targeting a persons personal residence, whether peaceful or not, is pushing the point to the limit IMHO. I'm a believer that we are headed to a spark that starts a civil war and targeting a persons home, no matter how benign, is pushing the limit. If people (of any political persuasion) target my home and family they need to make certain they cannot be identified lest I make a personal visit to have a chat with them. One does not target a persons domicile and threaten their family no matter our political differences.

I cry foul. You say it didn't happen - others say it did. We'll call it even.

VooDoo

gator68 said:

We can disagree about the ethics or tactics of this kind of protest but not the facts. The door was not broken. Fact.

highdesert wrote: Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:00 pm I agree, it makes Carlson look like a victim and gets him sympathy even from centrists. Protests outside businesses is my preference or on rare occasions homes, but breaking down doors crosses the line, someone will eventually get shot when a right winger is defending their "castle". Does Antifa have any structure or is it just local groups?

AndyH wrote: Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:57 pm

highdesert wrote: Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:00 pm I agree, it makes Carlson look like a victim and gets him sympathy even from centrists. Protests outside businesses is my preference or on rare occasions homes, but breaking down doors crosses the line, someone will eventually get shot when a right winger is defending their "castle". Does Antifa have any structure or is it just local groups?

See how quickly Carlson's lies are accepted as fact? Nobody damaged any doors, but not only is this pushed in right wing circles, it's here as well - even when facts are presented.

As for 'sympathy'...all Carlson has to do is keep making stuff up and he can get any sympathy he desires. That's got nothing to do with any protesters, though - it's his day job.

This group shouldn't have painted an anarchist symbol on the driveway, so there's that.

Carlson said in an interview with The Washington Post that the incident "wasn't a protest. It was a threat." He said someone "started throwing himself against the front door and actually cracked the front door." He said his wife, thinking it was a home invasion, locked herself in a pantry and called 911. "They weren't protesting anything specific that I had said. They weren't asking me to change anything," Carlson told the Post.

"They were threatening me and my family and telling me to leave my own neighborhood in the city that I grew up in."

highdesert wrote: Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:41 pm Democrats need positives not negatives.

AndyH wrote: Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:29 pm

highdesert wrote: Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:41 pm Democrats need positives not negatives.

Democrats might need positives, but it's not very likely that either Carlson or the protesters are Democrats.

Carlson and his ilk will continue to do what they do regardless of what we or anyone else thinks. He'll spew hate and blame it on "antifa" tomorrow just as he did yesterday. At some point, someone has to stand up and make sure he understands that life has consequences. I doubt it will be the Democrats.

I remember something my dad told me decades ago. He told me that I had to make a decision about what was important in life because at some point I would be confronted by someone that could only be dissuaded by the sight of blood - and it had to be their blood to get their attention because they wouldn't care about mine. 'Blood' didn't have to mean actually losing body fluids, but the resistance had to affect something really important to the aggressor.

Aside from the spray paint, and in light of the lack of actual damage to any door, until further evidence to the contrary is shown, I'm going with 'legitimate protest' here.

Michael Avenatti, who was once dubbed a “creepy porn lawyer” on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News program, claimed Saturday he’s “investigating an alleged assault ... committed by T. Carlson” stemming from an incident at a Virginia restaurant.

The attorney, who is exploring a 2020 presidential run and rose to national prominence by representing porn star Stormy Daniels against President Donald Trump, posted video on his Twitter account Saturday showing Carlson in a verbal altercation at a country club and asks for help in identifying other people involved in the incident. Carlson, in a lengthy statement provided through Fox News, said the incident began when a man at the club last month verbally harassed his teenage daughter on her way back from a bathroom and called her a “whore” and “c---.” He acknowledged that his son then confronted the man and threw wine at him. But Carlson maintains neither he nor his son assaulted the man involved. Avenatti disputed that account, saying it’s an “absolute lie.” The video, caught on another patron’s cellphone, captures part of an argument involving Carlson and a man seated at the bar, whom Avenatti describes in the tweet as a “gay Latino immigrant.” Only a portion of the video was released.

“Guys. Guys, get the f--- out of here,” Carlson, who is seen standing near the bar, can be heard saying. An individual in the video can be seen grabbing a man by the collar. That’s when another person intercedes: “Hey. Hey! … There’s no excuse for violence.” Another person interjects, asking: “Did you see what he did?” Avenatti told POLITICO he is representing the man who was grabbed by the collar, describing him as the “victim” in the incident. “We are attempting to locate additional witnesses and to identify those depicted in the video. In particular, we need assistance identifying the balding man that grabs the man seated at the bar. We anticipate charges being filed,” Avenatti wrote on Twitter. “Anyone with knowledge, pls contact us.” In another Tweet, Avenatti added: “We are investigating an alleged assault on a gay latino immigrant committed by T. Carlson and/or members of his inner circle at a club in VA in Oct. It likely includes underage drinking in violation of VA law.”

In a statement released by a spokeswoman for Fox News, Carlson said the incident depicted in the video took place on Oct. 13 at the Farmington Country Club in Charlottesville, Va., where he was having dinner with two of his children. “Toward the end of the meal, my 19-year-old daughter went to the bathroom with a friend,” Carlson said in the statement. “On their way back through the bar, a middle aged man stopped my daughter and asked if she was sitting with Tucker Carlson. My daughter had never seen the man before. She answered: ‘That’s my dad,’ and pointed to me. The man responded, ‘Are you Tucker’s whore?’ He then called her a ‘f---ing c---.’” Carlson continued: “My daughter returned to the table in tears. She soon left the table and the club. My son, who is also a student, went into the bar to confront the man. I followed. My son asked the man if he’d called his sister a ‘whore’ and a ‘c---.’ The man admitted he had, and again become profane. My son threw a glass of red wine in the man’s face and told him to leave the bar, which he soon did.”

Carlson said he detailed the incident to country club’s management, and the club revoked the man’s membership last week following an investigation. “I love my children. It took enormous self-control not to beat the man with a chair, which is what I wanted to do,” Carlson said in the statement. “I think any father can understand the overwhelming rage and shock that I felt seeing my teenage daughter attacked by a stranger. But I restrained myself. I did not assault this man, and neither did my son. That is a lie. Nor did I know the man was gay or Latino, not that it would have mattered. What happened on October 13 has nothing to do with identity politics. It was a grotesque violation of decency. I’ve never seen anything like it in my life.”

Both Avenatti and Carlson have gathered heightened attention in recent months. In September, Avenatti sat across from Carlson in a Fox interview as the chyron underneath them read “Creepy Porn Lawyer Toying with 2020 Run.” Carlson’s prime-time, hourlong program — “Tucker Carlson Tonight” — has come under increased scrutiny in recent months as media critics have called out the anchor for what they consider increasingly nativist and offensive segments during his broadcast. Roughly 30 protesters from the anti-racist, anti-fascist group Smash Racism DC demonstrated outside Carlson’s home Wednesday, harassing his family to such a degree that his wife locked herself in the kitchen pantry and called 911, Carlson said.

Fox News called the protests “reprehensible” in a statement Thursday. “The violent threats and intimidation tactics toward him and his family are completely unacceptable. We as a nation have become far too intolerant of different points of view," said Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott and President Jay Wallace. "Recent events across our country clearly highlight the need for a more civil, respectful, and inclusive national conversation." Carlson in March remarked on his show that “no nation, no society has ever changed this much this fast” and said America’s shifting demographic landscape was “more change than human beings are designed to digest.” And in September, Carlson asked on-air, “How, precisely, is diversity our strength?” He added: “Can you think, for example, of other institutions such as, I don’t know, marriage or military units in which the less people have in common, the more cohesive they are? Do you get along better with your neighbors or your coworkers if you can’t understand each other or share no common values?”

Avenatti has drawn his own criticism of late. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley referred the attorney and his client Julie Swetnick to the Department of Justice for investigation, accusing them of making false statements against then-Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh during a sexual misconduct investigation. Avenatti also drew fire after he was recently quoted in Time saying that the Democrat to run against Trump in 2020 better be a white male. Avenatti said the remark was taken out of context.

highdesert wrote: Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:52 pm I think the left can be smarter in how they deal with the winger wackos and not give them any ammo for their TV and radio tirades. I too want to see the police reports. As always Andy, I respect your opinion.

I was there for the entirety of the 10-minute demonstration, and can report in detail what actually happened.

A group numbering 13 or 14 protesters trailed by four protest observers, some in the bright green hats often worn by trained First Amendment legal observers when monitoring police-protester interactions, walked up Carlson’s street just after dark on Wednesday.

One of the protesters knocked firmly on Carlson’s front door three times then trotted back down the steps to join the rest of the group in the street. This person did not throw their body against the door, as Carlson has claimed to newspapers. A police report on the incident makes no mention of damage to the Carlsons’ front door from the three stiff knocks, contradicting Carlson’s claim that the demonstrators had cracked the door.

...Someone started throwing himself against the front door and actually cracked the front door,” Carlson said. None of the couple’s four children were home at the time.

But there’s no mention of a cracked door in the police report. The Erik Wemple Blog asked a department spokesperson whether the police had found a broken door or whether such a detail would be included in the report. “Officers take down as much information as possible,” said the spokesperson, speaking generally about the process.

When The Post visited Carlson’s place, the front door appeared to be in working condition. A woman answered the door at Carlson’s home. We asked her whether the door had suffered a crack. She took a quick look and shrugged her shoulders, as if to signal that it looked okay. She declined to allow us to photograph it from inside the house. We asked Carlson to provide a picture of the crack and haven’t received a response from the Fox News host. It’s possible that he replaced the door, or that the crack is visible from the home’s interior.

gator68 wrote: Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:42 pm Ahh, that's short for "I can't admit I was wrong" -- got it.

VodoundaVinci wrote: Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:07 am Apparently they kicked/broke the door in addition to chanting. I'm a pretty peaceful guy but if you come to my house and surround it and someone breaks the door in an attempt to enter/terrify my family I'm afraid I would take that as a direct attack and respond...someone could get hurt.

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