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Re: Civil war coming--offshoot

26 by JColville
Eris wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:25 pm
Bisbee wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:15 pm California reaches out, Los Angeles offers to become Canada's new capitol. Canada's national GDP instantly quadruples and everyone learns Spanish just to be fair.

Odale! :thumbup:
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Bienvenue a les Etats Unis du Canada!
Benvenidos a los Estados Unidos de Canada!
I'm hearing Joel Grey singing in my head...Willkommen, Bienvenue, Welcome....
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Re: Civil war coming--offshoot

27 by YankeeTarheel
Wino wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:18 pm Trumpistan in lieu of Trump Land. Left states should take over Canada rather than vice versa, cut Quebec free, make Puerto Rico and Cuba states. Would take less than an generation before Tumpistan would break up and beg to return to United States.
Generation? 26 of the Trumpistan states are subsidized--only 4 are donor states--and 3 of THOSE trend purple--Wisconsin, Michigan and Florida. The fourth? Texas. I give them 5 years, max, before they default and go bankrupt.

13 of the 20+1 Clinton states are donor states. One is break-even--can't remember if it's DE or RI, but I think it's RI, and 7 are subsidized. All but 2 are tiny--New Mexico, Hawaii, Vermont, Delaware (or RI) and DC. The bigger ones, Virginia and Maryland are subsidized because so much of the Federal Government is them (think FDA, NIH, and the Pentagon). Cali, NY, NJ, CT, and Mass give AMAZING amounts--.39 cents of every dollar NJ sends to DC is spent in "taker" states. We'll be fully solvent in less than 5 years.

The point? When the Trumpistan states BEG to come back, we should (are you ready?) BUILD THE WALL!!!!
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

Re: Civil war coming--offshoot

28 by Eris
YankeeTarheel wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:04 pm
Wino wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:18 pm Trumpistan in lieu of Trump Land. Left states should take over Canada rather than vice versa, cut Quebec free, make Puerto Rico and Cuba states. Would take less than an generation before Tumpistan would break up and beg to return to United States.
Generation? 26 of the Trumpistan states are subsidized--only 4 are donor states--and 3 of THOSE trend purple--Wisconsin, Michigan and Florida. The fourth? Texas. I give them 5 years, max, before they default and go bankrupt.

13 of the 20+1 Clinton states are donor states. One is break-even--can't remember if it's DE or RI, but I think it's RI, and 7 are subsidized. All but 2 are tiny--New Mexico, Hawaii, Vermont, Delaware (or RI) and DC. The bigger ones, Virginia and Maryland are subsidized because so much of the Federal Government is them (think FDA, NIH, and the Pentagon). Cali, NY, NJ, CT, and Mass give AMAZING amounts--.39 cents of every dollar NJ sends to DC is spent in "taker" states. We'll be fully solvent in less than 5 years.

The point? When the Trumpistan states BEG to come back, we should (are you ready?) BUILD THE WALL!!!!
I don't think Texas is going to go bankrupt. The state government is generally pretty good about budgeting and the state has a multi-billion dollar "rainy day fund".
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Re: Civil war coming--offshoot

29 by YankeeTarheel
Eris wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:11 pm
YankeeTarheel wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:04 pm
Wino wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:18 pm Trumpistan in lieu of Trump Land. Left states should take over Canada rather than vice versa, cut Quebec free, make Puerto Rico and Cuba states. Would take less than an generation before Tumpistan would break up and beg to return to United States.
Generation? 26 of the Trumpistan states are subsidized--only 4 are donor states--and 3 of THOSE trend purple--Wisconsin, Michigan and Florida. The fourth? Texas. I give them 5 years, max, before they default and go bankrupt.

13 of the 20+1 Clinton states are donor states. One is break-even--can't remember if it's DE or RI, but I think it's RI, and 7 are subsidized. All but 2 are tiny--New Mexico, Hawaii, Vermont, Delaware (or RI) and DC. The bigger ones, Virginia and Maryland are subsidized because so much of the Federal Government is them (think FDA, NIH, and the Pentagon). Cali, NY, NJ, CT, and Mass give AMAZING amounts--.39 cents of every dollar NJ sends to DC is spent in "taker" states. We'll be fully solvent in less than 5 years.

The point? When the Trumpistan states BEG to come back, we should (are you ready?) BUILD THE WALL!!!!
I don't think Texas is going to go bankrupt. The state government is generally pretty good about budgeting and the state has a multi-billion dollar "rainy day fund".
Texas is one of 17 states subsidizing 36+1. That's just over 2 parasites to one donor. In Trumpistan, it will be 26 to 4. That's more than 6 parasites to each donor. And Texas (and Florida) are barely donor states. In Trumpistan, they'll be overwhelmed.
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

Re: Civil war coming--offshoot

30 by K9s
No way Florida would stay in Trumpistan. Georgia probably wouldn't, either, very long. Those are two big economies. Texas would go back to independence before joining Trumpistan.

Trumpistan would quickly resemble 1970s Mexico or a former East Bloc country with nothing but poverty, oligarchs, and Trumpaganda.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

Re: Civil war coming--offshoot

31 by YankeeTarheel
K9s wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:55 pm No way Florida would stay in Trumpistan. Georgia probably wouldn't, either, very long. Those are two big economies. Texas would go back to independence before joining Trumpistan.

Trumpistan would quickly resemble 1970s Mexico or a former East Bloc country with nothing but poverty, oligarchs, and Trumpaganda.

They'd all be BEGGING to come back to The United Blue States of America!
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

Re: Civil war coming--offshoot

32 by Bardo
It takes what the 2nd most oil rich, mass land area red state to not be a federal leech.

The fundemental notion that taxes are politically easy to cut and budgets politically suicidal to balance utterly escapes the returd voter at its most basic level.

...all while they talk about evil handouts and using welfare as a political bribe

Re: Civil war coming--offshoot

33 by YankeeTarheel
Bardo wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:04 pm It takes what the 2nd most oil rich, mass land area red state to not be a federal leech.

The fundemental notion that taxes are politically easy to cut and budgets politically suicidal to balance utterly escapes the returd voter at its most basic level.

...all while they talk about evil handouts and using welfare as a political bribe
I've said the same thing for years but never so clearly and succinctly. Thanks!
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

Re: Civil war coming--offshoot

34 by K9s
YankeeTarheel wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:58 pm
K9s wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:55 pm No way Florida would stay in Trumpistan. Georgia probably wouldn't, either, very long. Those are two big economies. Texas would go back to independence before joining Trumpistan.

Trumpistan would quickly resemble 1970s Mexico or a former East Bloc country with nothing but poverty, oligarchs, and Trumpaganda.

They'd all be BEGGING to come back to The United Blue States of America!
Nah. Trumpians always think they are right. Gilead.. er... Trumpistan would never admit they were wrong. Kim Jong Un will give them lessons on how to deal with a poor economy.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

Re: Civil war coming--offshoot

35 by AndyH
YankeeTarheel wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:58 pm
K9s wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:55 pm No way Florida would stay in Trumpistan. Georgia probably wouldn't, either, very long. Those are two big economies. Texas would go back to independence before joining Trumpistan.

Trumpistan would quickly resemble 1970s Mexico or a former East Bloc country with nothing but poverty, oligarchs, and Trumpaganda.

They'd all be BEGGING to come back to The United Blue States of America!
I think K9's right about Texas. We could go it alone - and independence is pretty hard-wired into the DNA of the state.

Re: Civil war coming--offshoot

36 by K9s
YankeeTarheel wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:21 pm
Bardo wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:04 pm It takes what the 2nd most oil rich, mass land area red state to not be a federal leech.

The fundemental notion that taxes are politically easy to cut and budgets politically suicidal to balance utterly escapes the returd voter at its most basic level.

...all while they talk about evil handouts and using welfare as a political bribe
I've said the same thing for years but never so clearly and succinctly. Thanks!
If you mean Texas, I cannot imagine Texas would ever give up the chance to be an independent republic again. Why would they join Trumpistan with a bunch of states like that?
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

Re: Civil war coming--offshoot

37 by K9s
AndyH wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:23 pm
YankeeTarheel wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:58 pm
K9s wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:55 pm No way Florida would stay in Trumpistan. Georgia probably wouldn't, either, very long. Those are two big economies. Texas would go back to independence before joining Trumpistan.

Trumpistan would quickly resemble 1970s Mexico or a former East Bloc country with nothing but poverty, oligarchs, and Trumpaganda.

They'd all be BEGGING to come back to The United Blue States of America!
I think K9's right about Texas. We could go it alone - and independence is pretty hard-wired into the DNA of the state.
Oops. Posted mine at the same time you posted. I have a lot of family from Texas (and still in Texas). I would probably move there in this scenario. Texas would jump at the chance to secede and create an armed border with Oklahoma. :)
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

Re: Civil war coming--offshoot

39 by K9s
Eris wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:30 pm
K9s wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:25 pm Texas would jump at the chance to secede and create an armed border with Oklahoma. :)
Do you know why Texas doesn't fall into the Gulf of Mexico? Because Oklahoma sucks. ;)
See?
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

Re: Civil war coming--offshoot

40 by YankeeTarheel
Eris wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:30 pm
K9s wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:25 pm Texas would jump at the chance to secede and create an armed border with Oklahoma. :)
Do you know why Texas doesn't fall into the Gulf of Mexico? Because Oklahoma sucks. ;)
:roflmao:
Patrick Sky's Parody wrote: I'm proud to be an Okie from Muskogee
Said I'm proud to be a redneck from the south
Everywhere I go the Wallace voters know me
Said love me or I'll punch you in the mouth

Now, the way we get out kicks down in Muskogee
Is to beat up everyone who isn't white
Well it's muscatel and honkey-tonks and ripple
Yes, we like living free, and being right

Now every time I see them hippie peace creeps
You know it really makes me feel like I'm a man
Yes if I had my way I'd join the Ku Klux
And I'd burn them with their draft cards in their hand

So come on you good men who love America
And who'd like to keep our good clean country free
From the commie marij-a-weena smokin' preverts
Who fill their engines up with STP

I said I'm proud to be an Okie from Muskogee
Said I'm proud to be a redneck from the south
Everywhere I go the Wallace voters know me
Said love me or I'll punch you in the mouth
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

Re: Civil war coming--offshoot

41 by K9s
Oklahoma politics frightens me. Even more than Texas.

And Texas has AMAZING good food.

If they could leave Cruz in Trumpistan/Washington DC, then Texas would be a nicer place.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

Re: Civil war coming--offshoot

44 by HuckleberryFun
sikacz wrote: Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:29 am If the USA fell apart Texas would go on it’s own.
Texas would go on its own and Austin and the Rio Grande country would secede from centralized government oppression.
Texas is really five or six distinct states mashed into one. They could easily Balkanize. Conservatives in the new sovereign and independent State of Texas would quickly discover how much they are all for centralized government control.
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Re: Civil war coming--offshoot

45 by sikacz
HuckleberryFun wrote: Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:39 am
sikacz wrote: Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:29 am If the USA fell apart Texas would go on it’s own.
Texas would go on its own and Austin and the Rio Grande country would secede from centralized government oppression.
Texas is really five or six distinct states mashed into one. They could easily Balkanize. Conservatives in the new sovereign and independent State of Texas would quickly discover how much they are all for centralized government control.
I suppose anything is possible, but regardless of political leaning I think most Texans like being Texans. They argue, but ultimately would try to stick together. That’s just an observation from the peer group of liberal and conservatives I know and have known and over thirty years and spanning over four decades. Besides they are deeply attached to the shape of Texas. :roflmao:
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Re: Civil war coming--offshoot

46 by HuckleberryFun
sikacz wrote: Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:54 am
HuckleberryFun wrote: Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:39 am
sikacz wrote: Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:29 am If the USA fell apart Texas would go on it’s own.
Texas would go on its own and Austin and the Rio Grande country would secede from centralized government oppression.
Texas is really five or six distinct states mashed into one. They could easily Balkanize. Conservatives in the new sovereign and independent State of Texas would quickly discover how much they are all for centralized government control.
I suppose anything is possible, but regardless of political leaning I think most Texans like being Texans. They argue, but ultimately would try to stick together. That’s just an observation from the peer group of liberal and conservatives I know and have known and over thirty years and spanning over four decades. Besides they are deeply attached to the shape of Texas. :roflmao:
I can see that. Think of all the neon Texas bar lights they would have to change. That alone would make it not worth it.
On the other hand, without them damned Yankees to unite against the internal squabbling would commence in earnest.
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Re: Civil war coming--offshoot

47 by sikacz
HuckleberryFun wrote: Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:59 am
sikacz wrote: Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:54 am
HuckleberryFun wrote: Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:39 am
sikacz wrote: Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:29 am If the USA fell apart Texas would go on it’s own.
Texas would go on its own and Austin and the Rio Grande country would secede from centralized government oppression.
Texas is really five or six distinct states mashed into one. They could easily Balkanize. Conservatives in the new sovereign and independent State of Texas would quickly discover how much they are all for centralized government control.
I suppose anything is possible, but regardless of political leaning I think most Texans like being Texans. They argue, but ultimately would try to stick together. That’s just an observation from the peer group of liberal and conservatives I know and have known and over thirty years and spanning over four decades. Besides they are deeply attached to the shape of Texas. :roflmao:
I can see that. Think of all the neon Texas bar lights they would have to change. That alone would make it not worth it.
On the other hand, without them damned Yankees to unite against the internal squabbling would commence in earnest.
:roflmao: :whistle: Yep. But, there’d be beers all around after.
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Re: Civil war coming--offshoot

50 by Wino
Texas would be the first to go 3rd world if seceded. The notion that Texas could exist as a nation is ridiculous, plus it would make Yugoslavia breakup seem tame. If not red neck white, would be legal to drag you behind their pick up. Many Texans remind me of the Afrikaners I worked with years ago when it came to racism and Texas is BARELY covert in that regard.
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