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Civil war coming--offshoot

1 by featureless
Rather than post in the Is Civil War Coming thread, I thought I'd open up a new offshoot.

What does Civil War look like on an individual basis? I was thinking about that last night as the cat kneaded my side keeping me awake.

I mean, do you go to work during the day, come home at night and hope your neighbors are on the same "side"? What if your're not on the same side? Do you go to work? Do you stay home to protect the family? Do you remain "civil" with your neighbors like Sam Sheepdog and Ralph Wolf of Looney Tunes lore? Do you bug out with your BOB, BOV and SO?

I'm being silly, but I really have no idea how those logistics work themselves out. Anybody else?

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4 by HuckleberryFun
I’ll forgive you for offshooting my thread because I like you. ;)

Read the Sarajevo Survival Guide for some interesting insights into daily life for ordinary people during a real civil war—
Bosnia in the 90s. It is written in a mock travel guide format but also really tells you surprising things about how modern Europeans lived in a city under siege where everything was scarce. More than just dodging snipers, it surprises you with what everyday items were scarce, how people bartered, how people got through their day (hopefully). Check it out.

http://friends-partners.org/bosnia/surintro.html

Mad Max style total disintegration where it’s everybody against everybody may make for more exciting movies, but it’s not going to happen. Organize into groups. Help your neighbors. Going solo will get you killed. Tribes.
Best of all: lay those tribal connections beforehand.
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8 by AndyH


I worked the Provide Promise airlift. "Heartbreaking" is just the beginning.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... d5ac6e660a
NAPLES -- Every night, it's the same old thing: Load the planes with vittles, fly over the dark wasteland of Bosnia, shove the stuff out the back, fly home.

Mercy has become an endless routine in the endless Bosnian civil war, perhaps because the feeding of Bosnia has been a modest achievement overshadowed by larger failures -- failures of diplomacy, of humanity, of military threats that until recently were all bark and no bite.

Nevertheless, if there's a positive counterpoint to the Western world's inability to end the carnage in the former Yugoslav republic, it may be the dogged persistence in hauling food, medicine and other supplies night after night, week after week, in a relief mission that now has lasted 20 months -- nearly half a year longer than the Berlin Airlift of 1948-49.
In areas where snipers are not lurking to pick off civilians rooting for food, the crews drop 1,000-pound bundles on parachutes. The loads fall to earth at 45 mph, and planners worry constantly about crushing someone -- although, as one U.S. military officer noted, U.N. officials "tell us not to worry about hitting the houses because they're all destroyed anyway."
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9 by featureless
HuckleberryFun wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:59 pm
featureless wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:46 pm Well, at least I didn't trash up you thread!

Is that from the farfal guy?
Not sure who farfal is.
The book was written by Miroslav Prstojević to benefit a charity called FAMA, if that’s what you mean.
Some internet handle I recall from years ago (and may be some other variation of that) that wrote about similar things. I'll check your link. Thanks.

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10 by sikacz
Bardo wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:01 pm
sikacz wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:14 pm
Bardo wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:58 pm well first you must sprinkle uranium ore dust in your neighbors car vents. that takes care of that awkward "hows 'bout the weather" talk.

get yours here
https://www.amazon.com/Images-SI-Uraniu ... ranium+ore
I’d only trust ACME products...
obviously you didnt read the reviews
I never read review! Someone badmouthing ACME products! :guns:
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11 by highdesert
The economy would have collapsed first so the dollar would be worth far less. We' have paramilitary factions fighting openly against the police and military, a lot of skirmishes and a few open battles. Martial law would be declared in some states and cities. Some states might succeed to form their own republic or theocratic state. It won't happen in my lifetime.

The Dubrovnik on the Adriatic coast is another Yugoslav city that suffered during that war. The siege went on for 9 months.


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"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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12 by K9s
HuckleberryFun wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:29 pm I’ll forgive you for offshooting my thread because I like you. ;)

Read the Sarajevo Survival Guide for some interesting insights into daily life for ordinary people during a real civil war—
Bosnia in the 90s. It is written in a mock travel guide format but also really tells you surprising things about how modern Europeans lived in a city under siege where everything was scarce. More than just dodging snipers, it surprises you with what everyday items were scarce, how people bartered, how people got through their day (hopefully). Check it out.

http://friends-partners.org/bosnia/surintro.html

Mad Max style total disintegration where it’s everybody against everybody may make for more exciting movies, but it’s not going to happen. Organize into groups. Help your neighbors. Going solo will get you killed. Tribes.
Best of all: lay those tribal connections beforehand.
Best Answer :goodpost:

The Sarajevo stories fit better than almost any other.

Also, look into the Argentina financial crisis videos and prepper retrospectives on Hurricane Katrina.

Anyone just stockpiling ammo and lots of firearms is just watching too many Walking Dead episodes. No one would ever be perfectly prepared, but having other people nearby that you trust with your life is truly important.
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It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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13 by K9s
highdesert wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:19 pm The economy would have collapsed first so the dollar would be worth far less. We' have paramilitary factions fighting openly against the police and military, a lot of skirmishes and a few open battles. Martial law would be declared in some states and cities. Some states might succeed to form their own republic or theocratic state. It won't happen in my lifetime.

The Dubrovnik on the Adriatic coast is another Yugoslav city that suffered during that war. The siege went on for 9 months.
Handmaid's Tales sorta stuff.... The past week actually seemed a lot like the beginning of that book. A Christian Nationalist theocracy seemed crazy when that book was written. It doesn't seem so farfetched these days.

While I doubt any civil war would happen in my lifetime, I am reminded that almost no one sees it coming.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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14 by YankeeTarheel
highdesert wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:19 pm The economy would have collapsed first so the dollar would be worth far less. We' have paramilitary factions fighting openly against the police and military, a lot of skirmishes and a few open battles. Martial law would be declared in some states and cities. Some states might succeed to form their own republic or theocratic state. It won't happen in my lifetime.

The Dubrovnik on the Adriatic coast is another Yugoslav city that suffered during that war. The siege went on for 9 months.


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Why on earth would Canada want to merge with the Blue States? California, alone has 3 million more people than Canada (40 million vs 37 million). Well over 110 million people or more in those states. Not sure they'd want that!
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

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15 by YankeeTarheel
sikacz wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:14 pm
Bardo wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:58 pm well first you must sprinkle uranium ore dust in your neighbors car vents. that takes care of that awkward "hows 'bout the weather" talk.

get yours here
https://www.amazon.com/Images-SI-Uraniu ... ranium+ore
I’d only trust ACME products...
Recommended by genius coyotes everywhere!
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

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16 by HuckleberryFun
K9s wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:32 pm
highdesert wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:19 pm The economy would have collapsed first so the dollar would be worth far less. We' have paramilitary factions fighting openly against the police and military, a lot of skirmishes and a few open battles. Martial law would be declared in some states and cities. Some states might succeed to form their own republic or theocratic state. It won't happen in my lifetime.

The Dubrovnik on the Adriatic coast is another Yugoslav city that suffered during that war. The siege went on for 9 months.
Handmaid's Tales sorta stuff.... The past week actually seemed a lot like the beginning of that book. A Christian Nationalist theocracy seemed crazy when that book was written. It doesn't seem so farfetched these days.

While I doubt any civil war would happen in my lifetime, I am reminded that almost no one sees it coming.
Actually, Atwood wrote The Handmaid’s Tale during the Reagan years, when the Moral Majority was at its zenith and
traditional family values was the catchphrase of the day. A Christian Nationalist theocracy did not seem far fetched at all in the 1980s. I was there and I was watching.
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17 by TrueTexan
I just need to ask my sister-in-Law’s husband and his twin brother. They are Serbian, now US citizens, and we’re in Kosovo when Clinton bombed it. He tells us stories about living in a basement with the only a barrel of flour to eat.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

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18 by K9s
HuckleberryFun wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:38 pm
K9s wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:32 pm
highdesert wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:19 pm The economy would have collapsed first so the dollar would be worth far less. We' have paramilitary factions fighting openly against the police and military, a lot of skirmishes and a few open battles. Martial law would be declared in some states and cities. Some states might succeed to form their own republic or theocratic state. It won't happen in my lifetime.

The Dubrovnik on the Adriatic coast is another Yugoslav city that suffered during that war. The siege went on for 9 months.
Handmaid's Tales sorta stuff.... The past week actually seemed a lot like the beginning of that book. A Christian Nationalist theocracy seemed crazy when that book was written. It doesn't seem so farfetched these days.

While I doubt any civil war would happen in my lifetime, I am reminded that almost no one sees it coming.
Actually, Atwood wrote The Handmaid’s Tale during the Reagan years, when the Moral Majority was at its zenith and
traditional family values was the catchphrase of the day. A Christian Nationalist theocracy did not seem far fetched at all in the 1980s. I was there and I was watching.
Ugh. I guess this has always been a problem. I guess it took State Controlled Faux News to bring it to fruition.

I wonder why liberal preppers and liberal gun owners are not the norm?
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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19 by highdesert
HuckleberryFun wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:38 pm
K9s wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:32 pm
highdesert wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:19 pm The economy would have collapsed first so the dollar would be worth far less. We' have paramilitary factions fighting openly against the police and military, a lot of skirmishes and a few open battles. Martial law would be declared in some states and cities. Some states might succeed to form their own republic or theocratic state. It won't happen in my lifetime.

The Dubrovnik on the Adriatic coast is another Yugoslav city that suffered during that war. The siege went on for 9 months.
Handmaid's Tales sorta stuff.... The past week actually seemed a lot like the beginning of that book. A Christian Nationalist theocracy seemed crazy when that book was written. It doesn't seem so farfetched these days.

While I doubt any civil war would happen in my lifetime, I am reminded that almost no one sees it coming.
Actually, Atwood wrote The Handmaid’s Tale during the Reagan years, when the Moral Majority was at its zenith and
traditional family values was the catchphrase of the day. A Christian Nationalist theocracy did not seem far fetched at all in the 1980s. I was there and I was watching.
Yes, you and K9s are right it's very similar. An older variation on that map labeled Trumpland as Jesusland. To answer YT, Canada would want the blue states for California's SUN and BEACHES when it's 50 below north of the border.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_szP7M7hHj8o/T ... andmap.gif
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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21 by YankeeTarheel
HuckleberryFun wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:22 pm We’d have to learn French. We’d have to put club de tir libéral in equal sized letters on the webpage and talk about our fusils. Also, we’ll have to kiss each other on the cheeks at meetings. If we are doing that I want to sit next to the good looking ones. You know who you are. :love:
Je parle un peau. "Le jeux sont fait!"
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

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22 by Bisbee
California reaches out, Los Angeles offers to become Canada's new capitol. Canada's national GDP instantly quadruples and everyone learns Spanish just to be fair.

Odale! :thumbup:
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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23 by Wino
Trumpistan in lieu of Trump Land. Left states should take over Canada rather than vice versa, cut Quebec free, make Puerto Rico and Cuba states. Would take less than an generation before Tumpistan would break up and beg to return to United States.
"Being Republican is more than a difference of opinion - it's a character flaw." "COVID can fix STUPID!"
The greatest, most aggrieved mistake EVER made by USA was electing DJT as POTUS - TWICE!!!!!

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25 by Eris
Bisbee wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:15 pm California reaches out, Los Angeles offers to become Canada's new capitol. Canada's national GDP instantly quadruples and everyone learns Spanish just to be fair.

Odale! :thumbup:
Welcome to the United States of Canada!
Bienvenue a les Etats Unis du Canada!
Benvenidos a los Estados Unidos de Canada!
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