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Bacchus wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:26 pm I dig the screen name TolerantOne. It is amusing in its pretension.

But I have a sincere question for Mr. Koolaid, per the OP. Well, a two-parter, really. First, do you feel concern about the 'violent left?' Second, what specifically is it about the left that you feel is violent and/or threatening?

I ask because of what I see and hear from our president, from those slickly-produced Dana Loesch videos the NRA puts out, and from any conservative media I tune into. I ask because I don't see it. Anywhere. Oh: Portland. But I am genuinely curious about the specific incidents of left-violence that has seemingly everyone on the right talking about it.

Yes I am genuinely concerned.

The left agitators feel justified in attacking others based on their beliefs. They are encouraged by people like maxine waters and they are largely condoned by the media.

Here are a few examples just off too of my head and I'm on my phone just for a minute so it's a pain to copy links

Trump supporters were clubbed and pepper sprayed in San Jose as the police forces the trump supporters out of the area directly into the Protestors and just watched them get beaten and did not intervene.

I watched fergeuson, mo get torn to pieces

The las Vegas shooter (in not using his name) was a pink pu55y hat wearing.

Just pretty much any random weekend in Portland the far left blocks roads and bears up random drivers.

Pundits, media, commentators, Congress representatives, former attorney general's all advocate others to assault, confront, harrass conservatives. Like 50+ examples of this.

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Bacchus wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:25 pm Thanks Huck, that’s sharp humint action.

Mr. koolaid: suppressing ideas? No. Suppressing assholes? Gladly.
The general belief among consevatives is progressives want to suppress dissenting ideas.

I was curious for myself how it would work out.


I'm still checking in and reading seeing what's going on. I still like guns and stuff. In not trying to inflame anyone

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koolaidblue wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:28 pm
Bacchus wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:26 pm I dig the screen name TolerantOne. It is amusing in its pretension.

But I have a sincere question for Mr. Koolaid, per the OP. Well, a two-parter, really. First, do you feel concern about the 'violent left?' Second, what specifically is it about the left that you feel is violent and/or threatening?

I ask because of what I see and hear from our president, from those slickly-produced Dana Loesch videos the NRA puts out, and from any conservative media I tune into. I ask because I don't see it. Anywhere. Oh: Portland. But I am genuinely curious about the specific incidents of left-violence that has seemingly everyone on the right talking about it.

Yes I am genuinely concerned.

The left agitators feel justified in attacking others based on their beliefs. They are encouraged by people like maxine waters and they are largely condoned by the media.

Here are a few examples just off too of my head and I'm on my phone just for a minute so it's a pain to copy links

Trump supporters were clubbed and pepper sprayed in San Jose as the police forces the trump supporters out of the area directly into the Protestors and just watched them get beaten and did not intervene.

I watched fergeuson, mo get torn to pieces

The las Vegas shooter (in not using his name) was a pink pu55y hat wearing.

Just pretty much any random weekend in Portland the far left blocks roads and bears up random drivers.

Pundits, media, commentators, Congress representatives, former attorney general's all advocate others to assault, confront, harrass conservatives. Like 50+ examples of this.
You said you watched Ferguson, Mo get torn to pieces. I lived in that metro area for about 9 years, and I watched the entire uprising unfold. What part of Ferguson do you think has anything whatsoever to do with any leftist anywhere?

As for the rest: I'd like to see some links or references that support your position. Thanks in advance.

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koolaidblue wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:32 pm
Bacchus wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:25 pm Thanks Huck, that’s sharp humint action.

Mr. koolaid: suppressing ideas? No. Suppressing assholes? Gladly.
The general belief among consevatives is progressives want to suppress dissenting ideas.

Maybe I would be right, maybe I would be wrong. I'm always trying to learn and understand more.

I was curious for myself how it would work out.


I'm still checking in and reading seeing what's going on. I still like guns and stuff. In not trying to inflame anyone

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koolaidblue wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:32 pm
Bacchus wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:25 pm Thanks Huck, that’s sharp humint action.

Mr. koolaid: suppressing ideas? No. Suppressing assholes? Gladly.
The general belief among consevatives is progressives want to suppress dissenting ideas.

I was curious for myself how it would work out.


I'm still checking in and reading seeing what's going on. I still like guns and stuff. In not trying to inflame anyone
The key point there is this: "The general belief among conservatives..."

That's not a slam or attack - but it's really important. One of the primary disconnects that happened to the Republican party and conservatism happened when Present Reagan was elected. President Carter was correct about climate and energy -and he did what he could to shift to promote sustainability and to lead by example (like the solar hot water panels installed on a roof on the White House grounds). But the Republican party wasn't interested in facts - they were interested in oil money. In order to keep that moving, they had to disconnect from reality. Reagan's "morning in America' process was a psyop and it began the turn from reality.

As I said earlier, Conservatism used to mean something. For a very small group, it still does. http://conservamerica.org/

Conservatives that believe that progressives want to suppress dissenting ideas are wrong. It's easy to see why they want to believe that, though. There are many Americans that still understand the importance of science and facts and truth. When some republican claims that climate change isn't real (false) or that there's no consensus among scientists that it's happening and that man is the cause (false), they get upset when someone brings facts to the table. Those bringing facts aren't doing so to 'suppress dissenting ideas' - they're doing it to save all of us from destroying our ability to grow food.

Here's an easy test: When one group pushes an idea that makes a small portion of our citizen's lives better, and another group pushes an idea that makes everyone's lives better, it should be pretty easy to tell which is worth paying attention to.

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HuckleberryFun wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:15 pm Koolaidblue is disciplined, unlike his friends. From his NY Gun Forum post in the “In Case You’re Bored...” thread:
Drinkthekoolaid, Oct 18, 2018 #24
All right I'm in.

Koolaidblue
And...
Drinkthekoolaid, Oct 18, 2018 #25
I've started posting over there. Nothin too juicy yet just trying to get my post count up a little so they don't immediately ban me.
And....
Drinkthekoolaid, Friday at 8:13 AM #39
I've started the infiltration.

Im gradually posting more "triggering" material and ideas.

I see @GOPerfect is already starting. Lol

I might make a glorious post "outting" myself as a conservative and asking then if they will use their tolerance on me or ban me when I'm being quite civil and respectful. I think it will be interesting if they immediately default to suppressing ideas they are not comfortable with.

Let’s find out. Little by little ratchet it up. Moderators are standing by.
Drinkthekoolaid, Friday at 9:11 AM #50
This huckleberry character is already picking up
Yup. And this Huckleberry character is such an asshole too. On this everyone agrees.
Nice work. My gut was screaming "good cop, bad cop" from the start, but I didn't want to build an account on yet another forum to find out. My blood pressure meds are just starting to work right. :lol:

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Eris wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:54 pm OK, here's a question: what's you're stance on LGBT rights? For my part I am a liberal gun owner precisely because I want *all* of my rights and not just some of them. The Democrats offer to protect some rights and take away others. The Republicans do they same, but they generally reverse the lists of what to protect and what to take away.
I’m a conservative. First post here. I live in NY.

Im pro LGB, date, marry, have sex with anyone you want.
On the other hand my transgender views are different, I think you should be staying in your bathroom which the sex you were born as. Why? Because there’s a threat to our children. So I’m not really pro Transgender unless you can stay in your own bathroom and not push your beliefs on me and say I’m wrong about my opinions about genders and sex.
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Eris wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:52 pm I saw that YT. Tried to flag it for the mods. I'm glad you deleted it. Tempers are getting out of hand.
I did it at the request of TM (The Management).

One cannot be a member of a forum if one refuses to follow their rules and decisions.
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OurLordSaviorTrump wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:10 pm
Eris wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:54 pm OK, here's a question: what's you're stance on LGBT rights? For my part I am a liberal gun owner precisely because I want *all* of my rights and not just some of them. The Democrats offer to protect some rights and take away others. The Republicans do they same, but they generally reverse the lists of what to protect and what to take away.
I’m a conservative. First post here. I live in NY.

Im pro LGB, date, marry, have sex with anyone you want.
On the other hand my transgender views are different, I think you should be staying in your bathroom which the sex you were born as. Why? Because there’s a threat to our children. So I’m not really pro Transgender unless you can stay in your own bathroom and not push your beliefs on me and say I’m wrong about my opinions about genders and sex.
Curious about the threat to children. Haven't seen too many news articles - No, wait, I haven't seen Any news articles - about Trans individuals posing a danger to children. You can believe whatever you wish, but beware of making false claims simply because something makes you feel uncomfortable.

Oh, and congratulations on being conservative. I'm a liberal. Glad we've gotten that out of the way. :)
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OurLordSaviorTrump wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:10 pm
Eris wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:54 pm OK, here's a question: what's you're stance on LGBT rights? For my part I am a liberal gun owner precisely because I want *all* of my rights and not just some of them. The Democrats offer to protect some rights and take away others. The Republicans do they same, but they generally reverse the lists of what to protect and what to take away.
I’m a conservative. First post here. I live in NY.

Im pro LGB, date, marry, have sex with anyone you want.
On the other hand my transgender views are different, I think you should be staying in your bathroom which the sex you were born as. Why? Because there’s a threat to our children. So I’m not really pro Transgender unless you can stay in your own bathroom and not push your beliefs on me and say I’m wrong about my opinions about genders and sex.
I don't see any threat to children except from people trying to force trans folk to use the wrong bathroom. I'm a trans woman. I use the women's restroom. I carry a gun in case anyone ever attacks me over it.

You stay in *your* restroom and leave me alone and we'll get along fine. People who object to trans people using the restroom are the ones pushing their opinions on people about sex and gender, because they are the ones demanding to inspect people's genitals and threatening to use violence against people. Like this guy, the Sherriff of Denton County, Texas. If he ever attacks me, he's going to regret it.

https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/den ... ee-8240131
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Bacchus wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:13 pm
OurLordSaviorTrump wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:10 pm
Eris wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:54 pm OK, here's a question: what's you're stance on LGBT rights? For my part I am a liberal gun owner precisely because I want *all* of my rights and not just some of them. The Democrats offer to protect some rights and take away others. The Republicans do they same, but they generally reverse the lists of what to protect and what to take away.
I’m a conservative. First post here. I live in NY.

Im pro LGB, date, marry, have sex with anyone you want.
On the other hand my transgender views are different, I think you should be staying in your bathroom which the sex you were born as. Why? Because there’s a threat to our children. So I’m not really pro Transgender unless you can stay in your own bathroom and not push your beliefs on me and say I’m wrong about my opinions about genders and sex.
Curious about the threat to children. Haven't seen too many news articles - No, wait, I haven't seen Any news articles - about Trans individuals posing a danger to children. You can believe whatever you wish, but beware of making false claims simply because something makes you feel uncomfortable.

Oh, and congratulations on being conservative. I'm a liberal. Glad we've gotten that out of the way. :)
Go read his intro.
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sikacz wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:18 pm
Bacchus wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:13 pm
OurLordSaviorTrump wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:10 pm
Eris wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:54 pm OK, here's a question: what's you're stance on LGBT rights? For my part I am a liberal gun owner precisely because I want *all* of my rights and not just some of them. The Democrats offer to protect some rights and take away others. The Republicans do they same, but they generally reverse the lists of what to protect and what to take away.
I’m a conservative. First post here. I live in NY.

Im pro LGB, date, marry, have sex with anyone you want.
On the other hand my transgender views are different, I think you should be staying in your bathroom which the sex you were born as. Why? Because there’s a threat to our children. So I’m not really pro Transgender unless you can stay in your own bathroom and not push your beliefs on me and say I’m wrong about my opinions about genders and sex.
Curious about the threat to children. Haven't seen too many news articles - No, wait, I haven't seen Any news articles - about Trans individuals posing a danger to children. You can believe whatever you wish, but beware of making false claims simply because something makes you feel uncomfortable.

Oh, and congratulations on being conservative. I'm a liberal. Glad we've gotten that out of the way. :)
Go read his intro.
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Hi New Conservative. I believe like many conservatives you pride yourself in your ability to think and be rational. I believe you honestly hold your opinions true because you've tested them and haven't found them lacking. Good. Folks here like Eris and SikaCZ have now asked you to show evidence that Trans-gender folks using the bathroom according to the sex they identify with have been dangerous for children. One assumes you mean sexual assault of defensiveness minors and not just that girls become psychologically traumatized by seeing a 6' woman with an adam's apple in their bathroom nor that boys seeing a bull-dyke in a tank top with breasts smaller than some of their fat friends would lose their sh*t.

Because this is the life of a liberal. We call Dems out all the time about their "guns are dangerous" BS... literally all the time. We use many of the same arguments to defend the 2A as Conservatives do. But we do this because we ourselves are tested to provide evidence to support our assertions. We don't hide behind religiosity or "beliefs" when we talk about rights that affect all people in society.

Man up. Show us the evidence or admit that you are just a Believer and hide behind freedom of religion. Then take a seat and stay quiet because the pulpit here is not for folks who don't have the fortitude for truth nor kids who speak before they think. Because the military may have use for kids who follow orders without thinking but we don't. We are a community of self-sufficient individuals.

It's a test, (a very small one) designed to provoke and emotional response...
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Bisbee wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:09 am Hi New Conservative. I believe like many conservatives you pride yourself in your ability to think and be rational. I believe you honestly hold your opinions true because you've tested them and haven't found them lacking. Good. Folks here like Eris and SikaCZ have now asked you to show evidence that Trans-gender folks using the bathroom they identify with has been dangerous for children. One assumes you mean sexual assault of defensiveness minors and not that girls are psychologically traumatized by seeing a 6' woman with an adam's apple in their bathroom or that boys see a bull-dyke in a tank top with breasts smaller than some of their fat friends.

Because this is the life of a liberal. We call Dems out all the time about their "guns are dangerous" BS all the time. We use many of the same arguments to defend the 2A as Conservatives do. But we do this because we ourselves are tested to provide evidence to support our assertions. We don't hide behind religiosity or "beliefs" when we talk about rights that affect all people in society.

Man up. Show us the evidence or admit that you are just a Believer and hide behind freedom of religion. Then take a seat and stay quiet because the pulpit here is not for folks who don't have the fortitude for truth nor kids who speak before they think.

Because the military may have use for kids who follow orders without thinking but we don't. We are a community of self-sufficient individuals.
Righteous post, Bisbee.
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AndyH wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:49 am I for one am not enjoying the Gish Gallop of fecal matter happening this week. This isn't about bridge building - this is a straight-up info op.
We can't build a bridge - where would we get the witch?
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Eris wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:59 am
AndyH wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:49 am I for one am not enjoying the Gish Gallop of fecal matter happening this week. This isn't about bridge building - this is a straight-up info op.
We can't build a bridge - where would we get the witch?
A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. I learned that the hard way in sales, in years of climate change lobbying, and in trying to talk with this new breed of 'conservatives'. It's not worth the blood pressure, Eris. When they're ready, they'll come to us for a real conversation. Until then, it just fans the flames. It's just head-butting paradigms.

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AndyH wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:10 am
Eris wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:59 am
AndyH wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:49 am I for one am not enjoying the Gish Gallop of fecal matter happening this week. This isn't about bridge building - this is a straight-up info op.
We can't build a bridge - where would we get the witch?
A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. I learned that the hard way in sales, in years of climate change lobbying, and in trying to talk with this new breed of 'conservatives'. It's not worth the blood pressure, Eris. When they're ready, they'll come to us for a real conversation. Until then, it just fans the flames. It's just head-butting paradigms.
Um, I was actually making a Monty Python reference, you know. "How can you tell she's made of wood? Build a bridge out of her!"
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Whoa that is esoterica! Eris gets the trophy.

Well AndyH, I think all that has transpired this past week from October 19th has been fruitful to some extent. It has given us the opportunity to sharpen our wit and reasoning. I'm having fun with this. And at a certain point I (and many others) will feel as you do and lose interest. And then people will stop posting replies and just quietly put names on their ignore list and leave it to the mods to delete when they overstep the rules.

Yeah, there is no Conservative Gun Club that we Leftists (like Eris) can go and build bridges or just troll for lolz. Because just about every other gun club is filled with ignorant, Right-wing tripe. White Male Culture in America still don't comprehend the reasoning for affirmative action and call it racist policy. Because of their ignorance, they still hear Black Pride and bemoan the fact that calling for "White Pride" is the equivalent of "White Supremacy" (asleep in history class?). They think, "Liberal Gun Club" and decide to attack our ideals of "open mindedness" by stating their beliefs, somehow not comprehending that proselytizing is offensive enough but are so tone deaf not to understand how they embarrass themselves with full-throat pronouncements of half-baked ideas. They are the kids who would join a Vegetarian Diets Group and insert a full color photo of roast beef between recipes for quinoa salad and lentil soup just because the anonymity of the internet allows them to be crude and insensitive without social consequence.

But of course, that's what young Bratt Kavanaugh believed also. And so the entire country got to watch him squirm and cry foul in front of his wife and daughters on national TV. Youth is fleeting but the sting of ignorance stays on one's conscience forever.
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Eris wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:19 am
AndyH wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:10 am
Eris wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:59 am
AndyH wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:49 am I for one am not enjoying the Gish Gallop of fecal matter happening this week. This isn't about bridge building - this is a straight-up info op.
We can't build a bridge - where would we get the witch?
A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. I learned that the hard way in sales, in years of climate change lobbying, and in trying to talk with this new breed of 'conservatives'. It's not worth the blood pressure, Eris. When they're ready, they'll come to us for a real conversation. Until then, it just fans the flames. It's just head-butting paradigms.
Um, I was actually making a Monty Python reference, you know. "How can you tell she's made of wood? Build a bridge out of her!"
Ah, yes. Bridges...
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