willjr75 wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:10 pm

AndyH wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:46 pm

willjr75 wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:35 pm

AndyH wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:26 pm
You're the only person in this thread suggesting anyone be shot. As I don't know who 'Paul Rand' is, I can't comment on the significance of whatever that was.

I find it interesting that after jumping straight to the absurd you can even include the word 'civility' in your post.

Starting a fight and then blaming the person acting in self defense isn't the behavior of a rational adult.

How's the borscht today?

He's not suggesting that at all. You are not comprehending what he's saying and if you don't know who a certain person is, you should look it up before you comment.

Thank you for your comment. He's not suggesting what at all? I should look up 'a certain person' before commenting? Have you Goggled 'Paul Rand'? I have.

Way to support a troll, though. Kudos. I hope you get your 5 cents and an extra beet in your soup.

You said that he's suggesting a person be shot. He was not. He was referencing a politician being shot by a wacko.

AndyH mea culpa. But you knew that. Rand Paul was viciously attacked on his own property. I don't condone that form of protest.

Steve Scalise was attacked and shot. Other Republicans at that baseball practice were shot at. I don't condone that form of protest.

I am truly an independent when it comes to political ideology. Your borscht comment shows your acceptance towards open conversation. I've said nothing inflammatory or combative. If the mission statement of LGC is honest, the conversation should be two ways instead of one thought being touted as a mantra.

Swimmer wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:45 pm AndyH mea culpa. But you knew that. Rand Paul was viciously attacked on his own property. I don't condone that form of protest.

Steve Scalise was attacked and shot. Other Republicans at that baseball practice were shot at. I don't condone that form of protest.

I am truly an independent when it comes to political ideology. Your borscht comment shows your acceptance towards open conversation. I've said nothing inflammatory or combative. If the mission statement of LGC is honest, the conversation should be two ways instead of one thought being touted as a mantra.

Rand Paul was attacked, but it seems to have been more about bad blood between neighbors who don't like each other. It wasn't done as part of a political protest.

The attack on the Republican baseball team was horrific, but no more so than the car attack on the marchers in Charlottesville.

I do think that violence has a place and time, but none of these attacks were justified and should all be condemned.

willjr75 wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:10 pm

AndyH wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:46 pm

willjr75 wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:35 pm

AndyH wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:26 pm
You're the only person in this thread suggesting anyone be shot. As I don't know who 'Paul Rand' is, I can't comment on the significance of whatever that was.

I find it interesting that after jumping straight to the absurd you can even include the word 'civility' in your post.

Starting a fight and then blaming the person acting in self defense isn't the behavior of a rational adult.

How's the borscht today?

He's not suggesting that at all. You are not comprehending what he's saying and if you don't know who a certain person is, you should look it up before you comment.

Thank you for your comment. He's not suggesting what at all? I should look up 'a certain person' before commenting? Have you Goggled 'Paul Rand'? I have.

Way to support a troll, though. Kudos. I hope you get your 5 cents and an extra beet in your soup.

You said that he's suggesting a person be shot. He was not. He was referencing a politician being shot by a wacko.

You might want to read through the entire exchange again. He suggested that the Proud Boys that verbally abused a senator is the same as woman pleading with their member of congress to not throw them under the bus, and there is absolutely NO equivalence there. He further went all the way to argumentum ad absurdum by suggesting that there is equivalence between constituents exercising their 1A to assemble and to pursue redress of grievances and some nut shooting a senator. I simply reminded him that he was the only person in the thread to that point that said anything about shooting anyone. That's not the same as saying "he's suggesting a person be shot" - that's your problem, not mine.

Swimmer wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:45 pm

willjr75 wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:10 pm

AndyH wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:46 pm

willjr75 wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:35 pm

He's not suggesting that at all. You are not comprehending what he's saying and if you don't know who a certain person is, you should look it up before you comment.

Thank you for your comment. He's not suggesting what at all? I should look up 'a certain person' before commenting? Have you Goggled 'Paul Rand'? I have.

Way to support a troll, though. Kudos. I hope you get your 5 cents and an extra beet in your soup.

You said that he's suggesting a person be shot. He was not. He was referencing a politician being shot by a wacko.

AndyH mea culpa. But you knew that. Rand Paul was viciously attacked on his own property. I don't condone that form of protest.

Steve Scalise was attacked and shot. Other Republicans at that baseball practice were shot at. I don't condone that form of protest.

I am truly an independent when it comes to political ideology. Your borscht comment shows your acceptance towards open conversation. I've said nothing inflammatory or combative. If the mission statement of LGC is honest, the conversation should be two ways instead of one thought being touted as a mantra.

Yes, Scalise (and a number of others, I think we should add) were shot. Rand Paul's attack, however was neither political nor protest and therefore has nothing to do with this conversation.

Federal prosecutors said Boucher "had enough" after he witnessed Paul stack brush into a pile on his own lawn, but near Boucher's property. Boucher then ran onto Paul's property and tackled him.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... or-n839366

That's a real problem with folks that share your worldview. When someone cherry-picks, then misidentifies and mislabels, and used those data to build an attack plan, there's absolutely no way for them to be successful. Facts are important, swimmer. Truth is a thing, in spite of what any politician might repeat.

I can understand why you might feel defensive coming here, especially since you've been so mislead by Morse's article and the rest of the right-wing gun community rhetoric. Do keep in mind that a two-way conversation is not the same as pushing untruths in order to win a high school debate. In other words, if one acts like a criminal they should expect attention from neighborhood watch and LEOs. If one acts like a troll, they shouldn't be surprised to be treated like one.

This country was born in protest and everything we've accomplished since has been due to protest. I wore this country's uniform for more than 21 years because I believe in our entire Constitution as amended, believe it applies to all citizens, and am willing to put my blood on the line to make sure nobody can threaten that. That means that any citizen that feels they can tell anyone else what sort of protest (not criminal activity - that's a separate issue) is acceptable is a domestic enemy and should be treated as such. That absolutely has nothing to do with politics or race, gender, national origin, sexual preference, or whether they prefer the grip angle of Glock or 1911.

I see the Oct 19th boys are sticking together and throwing out typical right-wing "Whataboutism" as red-herrings.

First, NOBODY I know here or anywhere defends the shooting of Scalise in any way, shape or form, and applaud the LEOs who shot and killed the asshole.
Second, the attack on Rand Paul was due to 2 neighbors both being assholes in dealing with each other--nothing to do with Paul's politics.

So let's cut the bullshit already! I expect at some point the moderators and site admins will run out of patience and act appropriately.

AndyH wrote: ↑
That's not the same as saying "he's suggesting a person be shot" - that's your problem, not mine.

What exactly did this mean below then?

AndyH wrote: ↑
You're the only person in this thread suggesting anyone be shot. As I don't know who 'Paul Rand' is, I can't comment on the significance of whatever that was.

Whatever. Backtrack all you want. You should have just said that you misinterpreted what he wrote and left it at that. It's pretty easy to do and nobody would have looked down on you for that. It happens all the time to all of us.

Instead you are going to try to say that you said different.

willjr75 wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:32 pm AndyH wrote: ↑
That's not the same as saying "he's suggesting a person be shot" - that's your problem, not mine.


What exactly did this mean below then?

AndyH wrote: ↑
You're the only person in this thread suggesting anyone be shot. As I don't know who 'Paul Rand' is, I can't comment on the significance of whatever that was.

Whatever. Backtrack all you want. You should have just said that you misinterpreted what he wrote and left it at that. It's pretty easy to do and nobody would have looked down on you for that. It happens all the time to all of us.

Instead you are going to try to say that you said different.

Grow up and learn to read, snowflake. This isn't your safe space.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/too ... d-Absurdum

Rep. Scalise Shooting: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=43590
Rand Paul Assault: viewtopic.php?f=65&t=45661&p=631218

Edit: fixed and labeled links to make it easier for our new folks.

I've showed you concrete proof of what you said and your response is a childish one with childish insults. That's okay. We all know what you wrote and it cannot be changed or edited since it's quoted.

Get in your last childish dig. You'll win in your own head because I will not respond. Have a good night sir.

willjr75 wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:43 pm I've showed you concrete proof of what you said and your response is a childish one with childish insults. That's okay. We all know what you wrote and it cannot be changed or edited since it's quoted.

Get in your last childish dig. You'll win in your own head because I will not respond. Have a good night sir.

Please note the links I provided in my post. Also note that when one edits a post it's tagged - and I have not edited the posts you seem to find objectionable. Finally, all you've done is prove you have no desire to understand but instead to attack. Welcome to the ignore list.

willjr75 wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:35 pm

AndyH wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:26 pm

Swimmer wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:07 pm

YankeeTarheel wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:01 pm A little old lady was called a piece of shit by a much younger, much bigger man. Called her a communist and how she should leave America.

How is this ANY equivalent to women confronting Senators to tell them about how they were sexually assaulted and begging them to vote to help end that?

One more acid test of how to identify Retrumplican trolls coming here to disrupt the LGC.

So Steve Scalise having the opportunity to taste lead is the answer?
Paul Rand being physically attacked is the way to approach this?

If civility is off the table then we need to convert a LOT more of us to support and embrace gun ownership.

You're the only person in this thread suggesting anyone be shot. As I don't know who 'Paul Rand' is, I can't comment on the significance of whatever that was.

I find it interesting that after jumping straight to the absurd you can even include the word 'civility' in your post.

Starting a fight and then blaming the person acting in self defense isn't the behavior of a rational adult.

How's the borscht today?

He's not suggesting that at all. You are not comprehending what he's saying and if you don't know who a certain person is, you should look it up before you comment.

What part of your fellow Oct 19th pal's statement:

So Steve Scalise having the opportunity to taste lead is the answer?

in response to me do you not understand? or REFUSE to understand?

We deal in facts and evidence here at LGC, even when we disagree (and many disagree with me). One of you suggested, AS A RED HERRING, that I, somehow, differing between a man getting in the face of a tiny old woman and screaming threatening insults (the kind that quickly turn to violence) from a woman yelling at a MUCH LARGER male senator that she was raped and he needs to vote to prevent crimes, means that I suggested shooting politicians I don't agree with.

That's the kind of pure inflammatory rhetoric that Trump puts out every day. Not to foster debate, but to enrage, outrage, and start fights.

I've suggested to the PTB here that all you Oct 19th registrants are here solely to troll, disrupt and try to ruin this site. As you post, more and more I'm convinced of it.
You're not here to debate, present alternate views, but to disrupt. I'm also wondering if this is how the site can be hacked to identify participants so they can be harassed in their homes.

I, for one, intend to ignore all you Oct 19th boys and suggest others consider whether they should as well.

If you feel the need to use the ignore feature, than do so. That's what free men are entitled to do. In the end you only hurt yourself because you cannot see what another wrote so that you can defend yourself while everyone else can. It's a safe space.

It was nice talking to you while it lasted.

Swimmer wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:45 pm

willjr75 wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:10 pm

AndyH wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:46 pm

willjr75 wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:35 pm

He's not suggesting that at all. You are not comprehending what he's saying and if you don't know who a certain person is, you should look it up before you comment.

Thank you for your comment. He's not suggesting what at all? I should look up 'a certain person' before commenting? Have you Goggled 'Paul Rand'? I have.

Way to support a troll, though. Kudos. I hope you get your 5 cents and an extra beet in your soup.

You said that he's suggesting a person be shot. He was not. He was referencing a politician being shot by a wacko.

AndyH mea culpa. But you knew that. Rand Paul was viciously attacked on his own property. I don't condone that form of protest.

Steve Scalise was attacked and shot. Other Republicans at that baseball practice were shot at. I don't condone that form of protest.

I am truly an independent when it comes to political ideology. Your borscht comment shows your acceptance towards open conversation. I've said nothing inflammatory or combative. If the mission statement of LGC is honest, the conversation should be two ways instead of one thought being touted as a mantra.

I'm sorry, swimmer, I got off track with my last. I'll try to TL;DR this a bit.

- I've linked to our previous threads on the shooting and assault you mentioned. I think you'll find that most of us agree that those were criminal acts.
- Where we differ is in calling them forms of protest. (See 'criminal acts' above.) Nobody here calls them protest. That you either think they are, or think that we think they are, tells us about what you believe. While you're welcome to your beliefs, you're not welcome to your own facts.
- Your post is off topic and the implication is insulting.