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Looking for a x1-6 illuminated scope

#1 Post by senorgrand » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:16 pm

I'd like to get an illuminated scope for my 357 pump. I'd like something that dials down to 1x so I can use it as a red dot. I'd prefer something that dials up to 6x, as I might move this over to a hunting rifle at some point.

I had picked out the Vortex Optics Strike Eagle 1-6x24 with AR-BDC Reticle, but someone here said that the reticle is "busy as fuck." Looking at it, I would have to agree.

Here it is at Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00S2P2KKS/?c ... _lig_dp_it

Then I found the Burris MTAC 1-4 x 24 Illuminated Scope. The reticle is much better, but it only goes to 4x

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005G00M5C/?c ... _lig_dp_it

I'll be "engaging" paper and steel targets at between 20 and 100 yards with the 357. If I move it to a 308, I'll be shooting between 50 and 250 yards at pig-sized vitals.

Let me know your thoughts and other scope recommendations.

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Re: Looking for a x1-6 illuminated scope

#2 Post by Marlene » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:12 pm

If you go up to 1.5x as your low end, options open up more. I think the drastically smaller size of the 1-4 scopes is worth the lower magnification and 4 is plenty at 100 for anything but tiny groups, which you aren’t shooting below 10x anyway.

Hits on the 425 at slosa with a 2.5x are boringly easy.
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#3 Post by Marlene » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:15 pm

Also 1-6 is a tall order for optics. A 6x zoom ratio is beyond the fanciest tactical stuff.
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Re: Looking for a x1-6 illuminated scope

#4 Post by Mason » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:36 pm

Lighted stuff is gimmicky, spend your money on good glass with no batteries required.
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#5 Post by senorgrand » Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:21 pm

Thanks!

Yeah, once I get the spotting scope setup, I think 1-4 would be adequate.

Mason...it does work without the illumination too. Just seems like that putting a dot on stuff and shooting it would be fun. :)
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#6 Post by shinzen » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:16 pm

Given how light and handy your carbine is, I'd probably tend towards the Burris- adding a half pound to get the 6x and having a bulkier scope is probably not worth it.
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#7 Post by senorgrand » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:27 pm

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Re: Looking for a x1-6 illuminated scope

#8 Post by DavidMS » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:41 pm

I have a Bushnell AR91424I (http://bushnell.com/tactical/riflescope ... w-down-pcl) on my AR carbine and like it OK but its a little too easy for the turrets to get moved and loose zero. On my Saiga I have a Weaver V3 which I like very much provided the target is within ~100 yards as that is about the farthest I would be comfortable shooting given that level of magnification, my present skill level and that most local ranges top out at 100 yards.

I have heard good things about the Vortex 1-6. I have also heard good things about the Steiner P4Xi 1-4x (https://www.opticsplanet.com/steiner-1- ... scope.html).

Given that one of the major benefits of the .357 Magnum from a carbine is that its almost inherently a light and handy rifle, I would be uncomfortable encumbering it with a heavy rifle scope. If it was me, I'd buy a Weaver V3 or similar and mount it in lightweight aluminum rings or if I had the budget, titanium rings. I am not sure if such a low powered rifle scope would be suitable for pig hunting at those ranges.

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Re: Looking for a x1-6 illuminated scope

#9 Post by featureless » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:48 pm

senorgrand wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:16 pm
someone here said that the reticle is "busy as fuck."
Man, I'm eloquent when I put some thought into it. :oops:

I like a simple cross hair--I don't know what to do with windage, etc. and just find it's more shit in the field to sort through. This is the Leopold 1.5x4 that I have and would recommend. It can be a little frustrating if you're looking for touching groups at 100, but for pigs, it should be plenty (old timers hunted almost exclusively with fixed 4x, from what I understand). I don't find the firedot gimmicky--it's useful, quick and auto on/off. And it's light at ~12 ounces. The 1.5 is about as good as an aimpoint for quick shooting (not that I do much of that).
https://www.amazon.com/Leupold-113769-F ... ld+firedot

For some more dollars and magnification, these are on my sortlist. 2x minimum though.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004SRB15E/?c ... _lig_dp_it
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XWY7G2Z/?c ... _lig_dp_it

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Re: Looking for a x1-6 illuminated scope

#10 Post by shinzen » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:48 pm

RE: Busy as fuck reticles- it all depends on use and how much time you've spent on the reticle. Some would argue that my Bushnell reticle is too busy, but man it sure make switching ranges in the wind easy.
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Re: Looking for a x1-6 illuminated scope

#11 Post by featureless » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:56 pm

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RE: Busy as fuck reticles- it all depends on use and how much time you've spent on the reticle. Some would argue that my Bushnell reticle is too busy, but man it sure make switching ranges in the wind easy.
Agreed, and I fully admit I don't even know what all those little tick marks are for (well, I sorta do, but...). I guess it depends. Paper at long range, maybe a benefit. On all those "tacticool" scopes? I don't see the point unless you plan on sniping and spending the rest of your life in jail. I like it clean and simple. Just like life. :P

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#12 Post by senorgrand » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:58 pm

I'm looking for something to get good quick shots off hand, so I feel that's a knock against "busy as fuck". ;)
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Re: Looking for a x1-6 illuminated scope

#13 Post by Yopala » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:51 am

Center Point Scopes from Walmart https://thetacticalscopes.com/best-optic-for-tavor/ You'll have three choices for illuminated $58 $69 and $106. They come with flip up lenses and mounts. You can try the mounts and see how they perform, I eventually replaced them.

I have had three of the cheaper model on my Model 60's. The two 4-16 models are still working the 3-9 came apart inside. They have a guarantee but you need to keep the box and papers. The optics suffer at the high magnification, otherwise it's a decent scope for the money,I have spent more on scopes and been disappointed. The 4-16 is a bit large, but it has AO, very handy.
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Re: Looking for a x1-6 illuminated scope

#14 Post by DavidMS » Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:39 pm

senorgrand wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:58 pm
I'm looking for something to get good quick shots off hand, so I feel that's a knock against "busy as fuck". ;)
For me, If I am looking for a rifle scope to support quick shots off hand, I'd get an illuminated 1-x power or a 1-4x FFP riflescope with illumination. I have found that a 1-4x FFP with a "busy" reticle that at 1x the reticle is just a black or illuminated dot.

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#15 Post by AndyH » Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:44 pm

Primary Arms has a couple. Rob Ski suggests they're usable from CQB ranges to 500 yards. The first focal plane scopes are more expensive than the seconds...I don't know how the prices shake out with the offerings from Vortex et al.

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#16 Post by justinf » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:19 pm

senorgrand wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:58 pm
I'm looking for something to get good quick shots off hand, so I feel that's a knock against "busy as fuck". ;)
For me, that's a 4x ACOG all day long.

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#17 Post by K9s » Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:30 pm

Not sure what you ended up getting. Let us know!

I have really enjoyed the 1-4x a lot more than I imagined. My biggest issue is that the Bushnell (Bushnell Banner Dusk & Dawn Circle-X Reticle Riflescope shotgun scope on sale $55!) is really 1 dot something instead of true 1x-4x. It isn't illuminated, but I actually like the "no battery" thing for these. If I could find something true 1x that didn't cost as much as a used car, I would love to try it.
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Re: Looking for a x1-6 illuminated scope

#18 Post by Wazooohye » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:52 pm

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Re: Looking for a x1-6 illuminated scope

#19 Post by ZMacGirthy » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:57 am

AndyH wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:44 pm
Primary Arms has a couple. Rob Ski suggests they're usable from CQB ranges to 500 yards. The first focal plane scopes are more expensive than the seconds...I don't know how the prices shake out with the offerings from Vortex et al.

I have a Primary Arms 1-6 Gen III in my shopping cart, I'm about to press "buy" lol. Someone stop me!

Also, any suggestions for mounting hardware? I'm an AR noob and not sure if "extended" is needed or QD is better than thumbscrews, etc. Any guidance is welcome.

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#20 Post by shinzen » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:04 am

The PEPR mount or similar is rock solid for the AR platform.
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Re: Looking for a x1-6 illuminated scope

#21 Post by AndyH » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:23 pm

I got a Primary Arms 1-6 first focal plane scope last month and it's excellent. The glass is better than my Vortex Crossfire II, and the eye relief range is huge by comparison. On 1x, the reticle functions as a red dot both lit and unlit. At higher magnifications, the ranging, hold-over, and windage features of the ACSS reticle are fully usable. I plan to get another for my .308 AR10. Love it!

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