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Re: 10/22 Upgrades?

26 by Bisbee
You can also slap on a Limbsaver for a quick 'n dirty solution for the time being.

I love my Butler Creek folding stock. Makes me feel I'm part of the A-Team.
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Lots of stuff can be done cheap

28 by NuJudge
The Civilian Marksmanship Program runs a class of competition that tries to limit how much can be spent on gear, the competition called ".22 Sporter", held during the Nationals at Camp Perry and some other places. That match will be July 22 at Camp Perry:
http://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads/20 ... r=20180322
http://thecmp.org/competitions/club-san ... e-sporter/
http://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads/Ri ... r=20180406
I have had three rifles modified for that match at Perry according to plans I saw on Rimfire Central (AKA RFC):
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/index.php

As discussed above, the usual 10/22 trigger is awful. There are several vendors who specialize in modifying the factory trigger to one that feels good when the sear trips, and is any weight you want (I want them at 4 pounds for .22 Sporter). One vendor I have used is Brimstone:
https://www.brimstonegunsmithing.com/co ... uger-10-22
There are other vendors who will make a whole new trigger group for you, and they are generally excellent.

I found the biggest improvement in group size came from having the rear of the barrel faced off by .200" and the barrel rechambered with a tighter reamer, one which had the Lead bullet engrave in the rifling a little as the bullet was chambered. Slight engraving of the bullet will give the bullet support on firing. Too much engraving will give you slam-fires. The barrel on the 10/22 is no problem for anyone with an allen wrench set to remove and mail to a the gunsmith. It is also no problem to reinstall when returned, you just need to have a .200" spacer in the clamp. The 'smith that did this for me later stiffed a lot of people, so I won't recommend him. The smith that gets the most positive comments on RFC is this guy (he also reworks trigger groups and bolts):
http://www.ct-precision.com

Mention above was made of the odd way the 10/22 bolt leaves itself when your magazine is empty. There is a cheap modification one can make to the bolt stop, which is mentioned above, but it still seems odd to me. There is another alternative, but it is expensive, and that's the way I went:
http://cstmtech.com/10-22bs2g/
This has a mechanical sensor and a new 'blueprinted' bolt, and together they hold back the bolt after the last shot is fired. In my estimation, this is how a semi auto rifle should function.

A factory 10/22 is set up to work with cheap 10/22 ammo, which is high speed. High speed is rarely accurate. Standard velocity, even the lower priced stuff, is much more accurate, but the factory 10/22 is not reliable with standard velocity ammo. In order to make a 10/22 reliable with standard velocity ammo, it helps a lot to radius the bottom, rear of the bolt, so the hammer does not absorb as much energy when the recoiling bolt rides over it. While one is having this done, one can have two other things done to the bolt: set headspace tighter and have a transverse pin put through the bolt above the firing pin to keep it from occasionally kicking upwards, which is supposed to give squirrelly ignition. I believe the blueprinted bolt used with the CST bolt stop mentioned above has had all these things done to it.

One of the posters above complained about 10/22 stock length. I think they were complaining about it being too short. One thing I did was get a Mini-14 recoil pad, which has the same type of musket buttplate, and install that on my 10/22 rifles, for an inch more length.

Having done all these tweaks, I usually have no difficulty shooting a perfect score in slow and rapid prone at 50 yards with a scoped rifle. I come close to that with Open sights.

Re: 10/22 Upgrades?

29 by aasoverteakettle
offensivename wrote:I just bought a new 10/22 carbine. I took it to the range and shot 50 rounds through it and I'm already ready to start tinkering. What are people's favorite upgrades? I think first off will be a nice scope ( may actually just buy a nice scope for my Ruger American Rimfire and put that rifle's cheap scope on the 10/22 but maybe not). Triggers? Stocks? Heavy Barrel?
Oh man! I just checked the forum for this exact thread because I’m in the exact same situation! I only have time to read the first two posts, but like OP, I hit the range once and already ordered a bunch of upgrades. I’m interested in where you go with yours. And I’ll send updates and photos on mine!

I’d love to order more of the exterior upgrades, but I went with a lot of internals to make it shoot better: extractor, firing pin, lock-back plate. More saved for the next paycheck.

What do you plan to do about sights? Mine is dead accurate at 50 yards with factory sights. But they’re so small!


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Re: 10/22 Upgrades?

30 by Bisbee
Unless you need compactness or fast acquisition, the 10/22 is really wonderful with glass. You can be pretty consistent out to 100 yards if you can see what you're aiming at. Doesn't have to be an expensive one.

But currently I have a take-down model that came w fiber optic sights that is really nice and bright. Also own a "classic" model that came factory with ghost-ring rear and the mini-14 style protected front. I didn't add a scope to that either because the ghost ring works so well for quick shots. I've owned several in the past that I've experimented with and later sold just to try something new.

Oh, on both of my plinkers currently I run the Ruger Lasermax out front. Not really useful for target practice beyond 25 yards, it really is fun for plinking and dancing cans from the hip.
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Re: 10/22 Upgrades?

32 by offensivename
I've upgrade the bolt catch release, the charging handle and the guide rod/spring (not really something I cared about but it came with the KIDD bolt handle), I also slapped a Mueller APT 4.5-14x scope on it. I actually haven't shot much with the 10/22 recently, I've been spending most of my range time testing grendel loads and shooting skeet.

Up next is a new stock. I really need to increase the LOP to make the 10/22 fit comfortably, I'm mostly leaning towards a Boyd's AT-ONE right now.

Re: 10/22 Upgrades?

34 by aasoverteakettle
I'm in the process of making my recently purchased 10/22 stainless carbine into a lightweight, everything-I-need-and-nothing-I-don't range and functional rifle. I will definitely share more soon because thats what we do. But for now, I wanted to throw this "upgrade" out to the group. Lightweight being a goal (not an obsession), and a bipod being a particularly heavy item given its location on the rifle, I decided my cheapo AIM Sports bipod could be lightened up. When at the range, I practice all shooting positions, so a lighter bipod is much better for standing shots. I did not weigh it prior to modification, but the website reports 15 oz. Here is the original bipod:
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And here is my modified bipod. Just shy of 9 oz now. Doesn't look great, but neither do I. Drilled out some excess material, removed the feet and approximately 2" from the inner leg. I did attach grip tape to the bottom of the feet for traction. I may drill out some material from the outer legs in the future. Interested in your thoughts.
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Per my earlier post, I did purchase the Williams Ace in the Hole sight, and proceeded to mount the front sight backwards. Not going to stress this mistake because my plan is to shoot, not stress.
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Re: 10/22 Upgrades?

35 by Hiker
senorgrand wrote: Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:40 pm Boyds will make a custom one for you.
Senor, I don't know whether to thank you, or cuss you, for telling me about Boyd's. They are going to get a bunch of my money over the next few years!!!
:thanks:
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Re: 10/22 Upgrades?

36 by offensivename
Added my new stock. Got an AT-One from Boyd's. Slipped on super easy tightened up nice. The length of pull is a much better fit for me and all the other pieces are really nice. I guess its not surprising since the stock costs close to the cost of the 10/22 as it came.
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I really dig the rubberized bits and that it came with multiple sling studs on the foregrip one for a sling I don't have and one for the bipod. All the adjustable pieces are push button locked so no tools needed.

Re: 10/22 Upgrades?

37 by Marlene
Fred’s 10-22 with fluted bull barrel, trigger job, and Tech Sights is my favorite that I’ve ever shot. I forget whose barrel it was, but the fluting was just right for balance without heaviness. Shooting a 6” plate at 100 offhand I was having so much fun that he had a hard time getting it back out of my hands.
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10/22 Upgrades?

40 by Bucolic
I have done both. I had Brimstone do a “Tier 2” job on a factory trigger and set it to 2.5#. It was a fine trigger, better than the Volquartsen TG2000 trigger group that I had in another 10/22.

Then I discovered Kidd triggers. I gave away the Volquartsen and Brimstone triggers. I currently have four single stage Kidd triggers and one two stage. The latter is set to 8oz/8oz and is absolutely sublime but requires scrupulous trigger discipline and is best shot off the bench. The single stages are simply the best rimfire triggers I have encountered. No pre-travel, no creep and the proverbial “break like a glass rod.”

Are the Kidd triggers worth it? IMO, yes. If you don’t go for one, I think you would be happy with the Brimstone.


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Re: 10/22 Upgrades?

42 by aasoverteakettle
I recently polished the stock trigger, sear, hammer, bolt, and receiver internals of my stainless 10/22 carbine based on some internet research (Tincanbandit specifically has a few good tutorials for the 10/22 and Charger, just ignore everything non-gun related from him). In lieu of finances available for the Volquartzen target trigger and hammer kit that I want, this was my option. I was pleasantly surprised at how much smoother the action became after polishing. My bolt action felt really "crunchy" prior to this polishing.

Polishing tutorial links I used. I'm sure there are others, but these are the ones I used.
http://tincanbandit.blogspot.com/2014/0 ... n-job.html
http://tincanbandit.blogspot.com/2015/0 ... arger.html

Did polishing improve reliability, accuracy, etc? Unsure after one quick trip to the range with stock 10 round magazines. I guess I'll just have to go shoot more...

Re: 10/22 Upgrades?

43 by offensivename
I just installed a Kidd single stage trigger. I've only tried the stock, the Ruger BX trigger and now this trigger. This trigger is amazing. At 1.5 lbs I don't think I'd want to do a lot of trouncing around the woods with this but for benchrest I can't wait.

I also threw in the Kidd bolt buffer, because it was cheap and seemed like it might make things smoother.

Re: 10/22 Upgrades?

45 by Bisbee
I think you’ll really find it quite fun to shoot with those sights, Eris. I love my stock ghost ring sights from Ruger (Collectors Edition). Makes it feel like aiming a mini Mini-14.
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Re: 10/22 Upgrades?

46 by Bucolic
offensivename wrote:I just installed a Kidd single stage trigger. I've only tried the stock, the Ruger BX trigger and now this trigger. This trigger is amazing. At 1.5 lbs I don't think I'd want to do a lot of trouncing around the woods with this but for benchrest I can't wait.

I also threw in the Kidd bolt buffer, because it was cheap and seemed like it might make things smoother.
Yes, the Kidd triggers are fabulous. The only downside is that you will soon want a Kidd bolt, charging handle, etc. you will know you are in trouble when you buy a Kidd receiver and start all over again.
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Re: 10/22 Upgrades?

47 by shinzen
Marlene wrote: Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:53 am Fred’s 10-22 with fluted bull barrel, trigger job, and Tech Sights is my favorite that I’ve ever shot. I forget whose barrel it was, but the fluting was just right for balance without heaviness. Shooting a 6” plate at 100 offhand I was having so much fun that he had a hard time getting it back out of my hands.
Yeah, I keep thinking about getting another 10/22, but I realize that I'd not be happy with it until it was setup like Fred's is. So a $200 purchase turns into a $1000 purchase..... Other priorities....
“Do the best you can until you know better. Then when you know better, do better.”
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Re: 10/22 Upgrades?

48 by offensivename
Bucolic wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:40 am
offensivename wrote:I just installed a Kidd single stage trigger. I've only tried the stock, the Ruger BX trigger and now this trigger. This trigger is amazing. At 1.5 lbs I don't think I'd want to do a lot of trouncing around the woods with this but for benchrest I can't wait.

I also threw in the Kidd bolt buffer, because it was cheap and seemed like it might make things smoother.
Yes, the Kidd triggers are fabulous. The only downside is that you will soon want a Kidd bolt, charging handle, etc. you will know you are in trouble when you buy a Kidd receiver and start all over again.
My partner did catch me eying the kidd receiver and barrel last night . . .

Next up for me will be a new barrel, it might be a while because I realized that the stock I bought was for the tapered barrel and not a bull. I'm not 100% sure I want to sand out the barrel cut to make a bull fit or just buy a 2nd stock and ebay the first (or closet it till I need a new stock) and for now I'll just make due with the factory barrel.

Re: 10/22 Upgrades?

49 by Bucolic
The combination of Kidd bolt, charging lever and rod, and receiver is sublime.

I have four Kidd barrels, two heavy bull barrels, a lightweight, and an ultralight weight. All are 16.5 inch and all easily shoot dime size groups of five rounds at fifty yards off a bipod and rear bag.

Highly addictive.


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Re: 10/22 Upgrades?

50 by Eris
Sounds like you can build a complete rifle from Kidd parts, and looking on their website I see they actually sell their own rifles. Makes me wonder what the point is to buying a Ruger to begin with if what you really want is a Kidd.
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