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Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:53 pm
by highdesert
A brother of Las Vegas mass shooter Stephen Paddock has been detained in North Hollywood on suspicion of crimes related to child pornography, according to authorities.
Bruce Paddock, 58, was taken into custody in North Hollywood on Wednesday morning, according to a source who was not authorized to speak publicly about the case and requested anonymity.
The Los Angeles Police Department said a man was detained in the 5300 block of Laurel Canyon Boulevard on suspicion of crimes related to child pornography. However the LAPD would not reveal the name of the man.
On the night of Oct. 1, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock fired on the crowd at a country musical festival from his hotel room in Las Vegas. Paddock killed 58 people in the meticulously planned attack and wounded hundreds more before he shot and killed himself. His motivation remains a mystery, authorities say.
On Wednesday, Sandra Breault, a spokeswoman for the FBI in Las Vegas, declined to say whether Bruce Paddock’s detention was connected to the agency's investigation into the concert shooting.
"We have no comment at this time," she said.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html
Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:40 pm
by Xela
highdesert wrote:A brother of Las Vegas mass shooter Stephen Paddock has been detained in North Hollywood on suspicion of crimes related to child pornography, according to authorities.
Bruce Paddock, 58, was taken into custody in North Hollywood on Wednesday morning, according to a source who was not authorized to speak publicly about the case and requested anonymity.
The Los Angeles Police Department said a man was detained in the 5300 block of Laurel Canyon Boulevard on suspicion of crimes related to child pornography. However the LAPD would not reveal the name of the man.
On the night of Oct. 1, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock fired on the crowd at a country musical festival from his hotel room in Las Vegas. Paddock killed 58 people in the meticulously planned attack and wounded hundreds more before he shot and killed himself. His motivation remains a mystery, authorities say.
On Wednesday, Sandra Breault, a spokeswoman for the FBI in Las Vegas, declined to say whether Bruce Paddock’s detention was connected to the agency's investigation into the concert shooting.
"We have no comment at this time," she said.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html
yikes.
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Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:45 am
by SilasSoule
Analysis of audio of gun shots indicates multiple shooters using different types of weapons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHCN2A-PiBE
Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:12 am
by SilasSoule
Another audio analysis. He catches overlapping gunfire from different weapons. And whoever is shooting, they are not using 30 round magazines like the kind we saw in Paddock's hotel room!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kdsitqiWoE
Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:35 pm
by p0lyhuman
He had at least 60-rd mags in his room. We know this.
The most likely explanation for why we've had such a hard time nailing down the timeline of events in general, which is what has motivated so many to theorize about conspiracies involving additional shooters, or implicating the security guard, is that the hotel wants to avoid disclosing that its security staff likely should have been able to stop Paddock before he started firing.
Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:55 pm
by sikacz
p0lyhuman wrote:He had at least 60-rd mags in his room. We know this.
The most likely explanation for why we've had such a hard time nailing down the timeline of events in general, which is what has motivated so many to theorize about conspiracies involving additional shooters, or implicating the security guard, is that the hotel wants to avoid disclosing that its security staff likely should have been able to stop Paddock before he started firing.
Pingo!
Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:41 pm
by lurker
i think it unlikely that a security guard, or even a couple of them, likely armed with a 9mm handgun, could stop a heavily armed man barricaded in a room with a surveillance camera in the hall.
Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:57 pm
by sikacz
lurker wrote:i think it unlikely that a security guard, or even a couple of them, likely armed with a 9mm handgun, could stop a heavily armed man barricaded in a room with a surveillance camera in the hall.
Perhaps. Certainly would have complicated his efforts by trying.
Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:12 pm
by highdesert
lurker wrote:i think it unlikely that a security guard, or even a couple of them, likely armed with a 9mm handgun, could stop a heavily armed man barricaded in a room with a surveillance camera in the hall.
Yes, and it's all about liability and the hotel wants to avoid as much as possible. Police are trained for these types of situations, $15. an hour hotel security are not. Their armed security are basically for the gaming rooms where the money is.
Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:48 pm
by p0lyhuman
These audio analyses are irresponsibly off the mark. As someone who works with sound and has heard rifle fire in a reflective environment, I would expect to hear the crack of the bullet whizzing by, the intial report of the rifle, and then multiple echoes across the buildings. Completely expected. I have no stake in there being one or multiple shooters, but this is one of the weakest theories I've ever seen.
Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:07 pm
by SilasSoule
As the guy points out in the video, even if these are echoes or ricochets, they should have the same rhythm. BANG, BANG, BANG... BANG (short pause) bang, bang, bang...bang. If you watch the video that is clearly not what is happening. He could have changed weapons during the attack, but it's unlikely he was firing two at the same time and still hitting anything.
The first several loud "crack" sounds on the first video may be shots hitting the airfield fuel tanks, which were apparently intended to set off explosions before the main attack.
There are also videos on YouTube of survivors saying they are certain there were multiple shooters at different locations, and that news coverage was strangely different from what was actually happening.
Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:20 pm
by lurker
because everything has to be a conspiracy, with the accompanying cover-up.
Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:43 pm
by SilasSoule
The FBI terror sting gone bad theory: Paddock was part of an FBI terrorism sting to catch terrorists wanting to buy guns. Terrorists were suspicious and decided to kill Paddock instead and launch their attack after killing him. FBI had not informed local police.
This would explain:
Why Paddock had so many guns and so much ammunition in his room.
How he got them there without attracting suspicion.
Why there were cameras in the hallway and in his room that were "not recording anything".
Confusion about his check in date.
Why hotel staff cleaning his room noticed nothing.
Confusion about timeline of shooting.
Absence of hotel video of incident.
Why witnesses claim there appeared to be multiple shooters in different locations.
Why audio appears to reveal simultaneous firing of different weapons.
How Paddock really made a living.
Why he had so many guns in his home.
Why he traveled extensively.
Why he has no apparent motive.
Why details of investigation are being tightly withheld.
Why hotel security guard disappeared after the shooting and cancelled his initial press appearances.
Just a theory, and not my original theory. But if I tell you whose theory it is it will influence your assessment.
Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:52 pm
by bigbass4me
p0lyhuman wrote:These audio analyses are irresponsibly off the mark. As someone who works with sound and has heard rifle fire in a reflective environment, I would expect to hear the crack of the bullet whizzing by, the intial report of the rifle, and then multiple echoes across the buildings. Completely expected. I have no stake in there being one or multiple shooters, but this is one of the weakest theories I've ever seen.
I was wondering about that with all the conspiracy theories floating around I wouldn’t want to help spread propaganda
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Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:57 pm
by SilasSoule
bigbass4me wrote:p0lyhuman wrote:These audio analyses are irresponsibly off the mark. As someone who works with sound and has heard rifle fire in a reflective environment, I would expect to hear the crack of the bullet whizzing by, the intial report of the rifle, and then multiple echoes across the buildings. Completely expected. I have no stake in there being one or multiple shooters, but this is one of the weakest theories I've ever seen.
I was wondering about that with all the conspiracy theories floating around I wouldn’t want to help spread propaganda
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And why are there so many conspiracy theories floating around? Because of malicious intent or because of unbelievable official versions of events and lack of transparency?
Doesn't the public have a right to know when their government messes up or does something wrong? If it's covered up, how can the public evaluate THEIR government's performance?
Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:20 pm
by SilasSoule
This guy lays out the same "terror sting gone bad" theory. You can skip the first 4 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPKpnBA-Ebo
I suspect this is where my original source got his theory.
Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:57 pm
by p0lyhuman
Will you be dissatisfied if investigators find that the hotel is at fault, and then they pay a massive settlement to the victims?
You can theorize all you want, but even if it turns out that somebody in government wanted this to happen and took steps to put it in motion, it doesn't bring any lives back, and it doesn't take away the justification for all the new gun control laws that have been drafted in response. Those agendas are always there, waiting for the next tragedy.
Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:53 pm
by SilasSoule
Not claiming the government did this on purpose.
Here is a video comparing the sound of an M240 machine gun with an AR with a bump stock with some audio from the Las Vegas shooting. You be the judge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mXe9dk77bk
Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:38 am
by lurker
i'd bet we can come up with some more imaginative theories, and make them look plausible. and if we keep repeating them, someone will believe them..
Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:28 am
by highdesert
lurker wrote:i'd bet we can come up with some more imaginative theories, and make them look plausible. and if we keep repeating them, someone will believe them..
Psst, e-mail it to Alex Jones at InfoWars, he'll do the rest.
Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:36 am
by CottonMcKnight77
And now conspiracy theorists are threatening one of the survivors of the shooting. What is wrong with these people?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.3591391
Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:41 am
by TrueTexan
lurker wrote:i'd bet we can come up with some more imaginative theories, and make them look plausible. and if we keep repeating them, someone will believe them..
How about the CIA did it to keep the conspiracy theorist busy so they would ingnore the JFK papers release that shows the CIA killed JFK.
Hillary did it.
Aliens anybody? Illegal interstellar aliens escaped from Area 51 did it.
Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:41 pm
by CottonMcKnight77
TrueTexan wrote:lurker wrote:i'd bet we can come up with some more imaginative theories, and make them look plausible. and if we keep repeating them, someone will believe them..
How about the CIA did it to keep the conspiracy theorist busy so they would ingnore the JFK papers release that shows the CIA killed JFK.
Hillary did it.
Aliens anybody? Illegal interstellar aliens escaped from Area 51 did it.
That’s what the Freemasons and Illuminati
want you to think.
Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:46 pm
by senorgrand
CottonMcKnight77 wrote:TrueTexan wrote:lurker wrote:i'd bet we can come up with some more imaginative theories, and make them look plausible. and if we keep repeating them, someone will believe them..
How about the CIA did it to keep the conspiracy theorist busy so they would ingnore the JFK papers release that shows the CIA killed JFK.
Hillary did it.
Aliens anybody? Illegal interstellar aliens escaped from Area 51 did it.
That’s what the Freemasons and Illuminati
want you to think.
There ain't no difference between a flying saucer and a time machine. People get so hung up on specifics. They miss out on seeing the whole thing.
Plate of shrimp...
Re: At Least 50 Dead in Las Vegas Shooting, Full Automatic F
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:05 pm
by Darwinchip
TrueTexan wrote:lurker wrote:i'd bet we can come up with some more imaginative theories, and make them look plausible. and if we keep repeating them, someone will believe them..
Hillary did it.
You're close with this one, but it's actually time traveling future Hillary. About 10 years from now she's still upset about not winning the election so she steals the world's only time machine and comes back to exact her revenge. That's why Republicans are so focused on her (current Hillary), they know everything negative about them and Trump is actually her (future Hillary) doings.
Some have questioned why she didn't just adjust the election results to give herself the presidency but... Did you hear that? It sounded like the rustle of a pantsuit... Oh no, I've said too much!