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willa1975 wrote:Inappropriate, yes, but I enjoyed this meme...
Inappropriate? This is one of the best things I have seen for quite some time on a forum. :thumbup:
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JColville wrote:In light of the extreme right wing terrorism in Charlottesville I've come to the sad realization that the time for talk has ended. It's time to come down and come down hard on the NAZIs once and for all. We all knew the biggest terrorist threat was going to come from that quarter and it seems as if the glove have come off. There's plenty of room in GITMO for them.

Sad that I'm saying this but the time has come to pick a side.
Yep. Fuck these assholes.
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Even The Mooch came out against Trump’s response.
President Donald Trump’s response to Saturday’s violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, should have been “much harsher” on the white supremacists whose rally sparked the bloodshed, former White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci said on Sunday.

“I think he needed to be much harsher as it relates to the white supremacists,” Scaramucci said on ABC’s “This Week.” “You have to call that stuff out.”

Trump has come under intense criticism for his response to clashes between white nationalist groups ― including members of neo-Nazi and KKK groups ― and counter-protesters, which came to a head Saturday when a 20-year-old Ohio man allegedly plowed his vehicle into a group of anti-racist demonstrators, killing a 32-year-old woman and injuring at least 19 others. The suspect, James Alex Fields Jr., was photographed holding a shield bearing a white supremacist emblem before the deadly attack

“We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides ― on many sides,” Trump said during a bill signing ceremony at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey. “It’s been going on for a long time in our country, not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama. It’s been going on for a long, long time.”

Lawmakers on both sides of the political aisle have called out Trump’s apparent reluctance to specifically mention the white supremacist groups who gathered in Charlottesville for a “Unite the Right” rally. But to Scaramucci ― a Wall Street financier who served less than two weeks in his White House post last month ― the president’s response was textbook Trump.

“He likes doing the opposite of what the media thinks he’s going to do,” he said. “I think he’s of the impression there is hatred on all sides.”

Scaramucci said he “disagreed” with Trump’s statement, but that such differences of opinion would likely do little to shape the message coming out of the White House.

“You’re not going change the president,” Scaramucci said. “He’s going to do what he wants to do, how he wants to do it.” Furthermore, Trump’s advisers are “reluctant to tell him the truth,” he said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ant ... mg00000009

Also Sen. Lindsey Graham
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Sunday urged President Donald Trump to strongly and clearly condemn the white supremacist hate groups who stormed into Charlottesville, Virginia, this weekend, sparking violent clashes that left a 32-year-old woman dead and dozens more injured.

“He missed an opportunity to be very explicit here,” said Graham on Fox News Sunday. “These groups seem to believe they have a friend in Donald Trump in the White House. I don’t know why they believe that, but they don’t see me as a friend in the Senate and I would urge the president to dissuade these groups that he’s their friend.”

Trump drew swift bipartisan criticism for his response to Saturday’s chaos, in which he blamed “hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides,” but declined to specifically call out white supremacists. Trump has also faced backlash in the past for being slow to disavow the support of far-right hate groups that have become reliable advocates of his administration.

“If I were president of the United States and these people showed sympathy toward me and my agenda, it would bother me, and I would urge the president to dissuade them of the fact that he sympathetic to their cause,” said Graham. “Their cause is hate, it is un-American, they are domestic terrorists and we need more from our president.”

Graham added that he would support the creation of a federal task force to investigate the “size and scope” of racist hate groups and to “report back to Congress to see if we need to do more in terms of suppressing them.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lin ... mg00000009
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7N6Wolf wrote:
willa1975 wrote:Inappropriate, yes, but I enjoyed this meme...
Inappropriate? This is one of the best things I have seen for quite some time on a forum. :thumbup:
We think of the idea and saying "Give me liberty, or give me death" as something said in the first person, but I don't think it is of such limited use. When you see someone, or as it is now a group of people, actively fighting against liberty and equality, what is the answer? When you observe them willing to fight, maim and kill for their goals under the guise of some kind of American patriotism, take a moment and put that most American of phrases in their mouthes. What is the logical conclusion?

So how inapropriate is it really?

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White House homeland security adviser Tom Bossert on Sunday claimed President Donald Trump’s failure to condemn white supremacists after violence broke out at a rally in Charlottesville was because he didn’t want to “dignify” the movement. “The President not only condemned the violence, and stood up at a time and a moment when calm was necessary, and didn’t dignify the names of these groups of people, but rather addressed the fundamental issue,” Bossert said on CNN’s “State of the Union.” Trump on Saturday did not remark on the nature of the rally but called the clashes an “egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides” and called for Americans to “love each other.”

“What you need to focus on is the rest of his statement,” Bossert said. He called Trump’s comments about love “a fundamental assault on the very nature of the hatred that we’re seeing here.” CNN’s Jake Tapper pressed Bossert to give his own response to the violence. “You on this show today have said that you condemn groups and condemn actions and condemn bigotry, but I haven’t heard you say, ‘I condemn white supremacists. I condemn neo-Nazis. I condemn the alt-right.’ I haven’t heard that,” he said.

“I think you’ve belabored it,” Bossert fired back. “So let me say, I condemn white supremacists and racists and white Nazi groups and all the other groups that espouse this kind of hatred and exclusion.” Bossert’s claim that condemning white supremacy groups in those terms would “dignify” them rang hollow in light of Trump’s fixation on using one particular term for a different kind of violence.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/t ... ottesville
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In Re: the nonsense about dignifying a group by calling by name: No. When dealing with a hateful, murderous group like the white power idiots and their kind, no spin is needed. It is really quite simple: Call them out, shine light on those evil little cockroaches, and denounce them by name.

How to address these bastards is crystal clear. The only reason why Trump doesn't in an unequivocal manner is that he recognizes the substantial support he derives from them.
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The right wing media jumps in.
Reacting to Trump’s words on Saturday, the neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer praised the president’s comments as “good.”

“He didn’t attack us. He just said the nation should come together. Nothing specific against us,” wrote Andrew Anglin, the website’s founder.

“No condemnation at all,” Anglin continued. “When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/neo ... mg00000009
The morning after a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, left one counter-protester dead, a Fox News host came to the rally attendees’ defense and compared them to the Black Lives Matter movement against police brutality.

On Sunday’s episode of Fox & Friends, co-host Pete Hegseth defended President Donald Trump’s statements on the deadly rally, which many condemned for not singling out the white supremacists and instead laying blame for the violence on “many sides.”

Hegseth, however, said Sunday that Trump “nailed it” and applauded him for condemning “hatred and bigotry on all sides as opposed to immediately picking a side out the gate.”

He then suggested the grievances of those attending the Charlottesville rally ― which included activists from the so-called “alt-right,” Nazis, Ku Klux Klan members and other white supremacists ― deserve the same sympathy and support offered to the Black Lives Matter movement, which was created to put a spotlight on police shootings of black Americans.

“You can call [violence] out, and then ― but still also listen, say, on Black Lives Matter, to the grievances of young African-American males in urban cores who feel like they are looked at differently by police. That discussion still should be had,” Hegseth said, arguing that many young white men “feel like, ‘Hey, I’m treated differently in this country than I feel like I should have. I’ve become a second-class citizen. None of it ― they tell me I have white privilege.’”
Fox News as a whole, it’s worth noting, has consistently painted the Black Lives Matter in broad strokes, going as far as describing it as a “murder” movement and “hate group” and blaming it for violence carried out by black individuals, even when they have no connection to the movement.

But Hegseth offered the self-identified neo-Nazis, white supremacists and nationalist protesters the benefit of the doubt.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fox ... mg00000009
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
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Bang wrote:
highdesert wrote:This has stirred up the wackos at Strom Front.
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...Can I just ask why you read that site? I'm curious.
Sun Tzu...
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keep your friends close and your enemies closer. the sole benefit of this and similar episodes is that they are emboldened to come out into the open. the hoods are coming off. hopefully all of these portraits of evil are getting archived for later analysis.
i'm retired. what's your excuse?

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rascally wrote:
Bang wrote:
highdesert wrote:This has stirred up the wackos at Strom Front.
LINK REDACTED
...Can I just ask why you read that site? I'm curious.
Sun Tzu...
I read 'em as well for the same reason.
I don't like to think of my self as an artist so much as someone who stares at empty spaces and imagines s--t.

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I read them too, but only after a bout of food poisoning and need to quickly disgorge what was previously consumed in order to save my life.
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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tonight i posted niemoller's "first they came" to my facebook. lest lack of response be mistaken as concurrence, i'm thinking it has become necessary to openly state my opinion on such things. this will be interesting, because i have a lot of conservative "friends". if they can't hack it, good riddance.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
i'm retired. what's your excuse?

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The least he could have done is call them "losers".
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