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Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:08 am
by highdesert
Female genital mutilation is child abuse and if the physician is convicted she can be sentenced to life in prison.
A Michigan doctor has been accused of performing genital cutting on two 7-year-old girls at a medical clinic, in a case that federal officials believe to be the first prosecution under a law banning the brutal practice.
The doctor, Jumana Nagarwala, 44, was arrested on Wednesday on charges that she performed the genital cutting at an unnamed medical clinic in Livonia, Mich.; transported minors with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity; and lied to federal agents.
According to a criminal complaint filed in federal court on Wednesday, Dr. Nagarwala performed the procedure on two girls from Minnesota who traveled to the clinic with their parents in February. The complaint also said that “multiple” other girls, including some from Michigan, may have been victimized between 2005 and 2007.
One of the girls told investigators that she thought she and the other girl had gone to the doctor because “our tummies hurt.” The other said the cutting procedure was so painful that she screamed and could barely walk afterward. She drew a picture of the room where the procedures were allegedly carried out, marking an “X” on the spot where she said she had bled on the examination table, according to the complaint.
“Dr. Nagarwala is alleged to have performed horrifying acts of brutality on the most vulnerable victims,” Kenneth A. Blanco, an acting assistant attorney general with the Justice Department’s criminal division, said in a statement on Thursday. “The Department of Justice is committed to stopping female genital mutilation in this country, and will use the full power of the law to ensure that no girls suffer such physical and emotional abuse.”
Dr. Nagarwala appeared in court on Thursday and was ordered held in jail until another hearing on Monday. The doctor’s lawyer, Shannon M. Smith, could not be reached by phone for comment on Thursday. According to the complaint, Dr. Nagarwala said she had never performed genital cutting on any children.
Dr. Nagarwala, who practices emergency medicine at the Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit, has been placed on administrative leave, said David Olejarz, a spokesman for the Henry Ford Health System.
“The alleged criminal activity did not occur at any Henry Ford facility,” he said in an email. “We would never support or condone anything related to this practice.”
Female genital cutting involves removing parts of the genitalia. The World Health Organization has documented the practice in 30 countries, most of them in Africa. The procedure, which is illegal in the United States, is typically performed on girls before they reach puberty and can lead to infections, childbirth complications or pain during urination or menstruation.
The World Health Organization estimates that worldwide, more than 200 million girls and women alive today have undergone some form of genital cutting. A study last year by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that more than a half million women and girls were affected by, or at risk of, genital cutting in the United States in 2012.
Genital cutting has been illegal in the United States since 1996, but that law was amended in 2013 to outlaw what is sometimes referred to as “vacation cutting,” or transporting a girl overseas to carry out the procedure.
The Michigan case is significant because it can help to raise awareness of an issue that often flies under the radar, said Shelby Quast of Equality Now, an international women’s rights advocacy organization.
She said people who might see evidence of genital cutting, such as teachers and health care providers, are not always aware of obligations to report it. “We need better information about exactly where they are,” Ms. Quast said of practitioners of genital cutting. “We know that this is a child abuse issue, and we know that we need to start training our child protection folks better.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/13/us/m ... .html?_r=0
The UK has had a major problem and enacted laws that give police and courts additional powers to help ensure young girls are not taken overseas for cutting.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... tion-order
Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:33 am
by SwampGrouch
But circumcision is tradition so it's okay.

Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:01 am
by Bisbee
Watch, the lawyers are going to bring up protections for freedom of religious expression in their defense. With all the anti-abortion cases in play throughout the States, this would be an interesting test case for future decisions on religion and medical procedures.
Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:23 am
by HuckleberryFun
SwampGrouch wrote:But circumcision is tradition so it's okay.

Exactly. Thank you. If we allow male genital mutilation (circumcision) for religious or any other reason, then under the equal protection clause we
have to allow female genital mutilation too. Because in recent decades circumcision has, for whatever reason, become routine and "tradition" (a few decades and it's tradition?) it's OK. Good luck trying to circumvent (see what I did there?) that bit of cognitive dissonance.
Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:59 pm
by highdesert
Agreed this could be a test of religious and cultural practices. Ironically it's legal in Michigan, but illegal under federal law. I've always thought male circumcision of minors should be outlawed. FGM is much more than male circumcision. The physician being held was trained in the US, she's a graduate of Johns Hopkins University medical school. Reports are she'll be charged with more cases. Henry Ford Hospital where she was an ER physician was quick to announce that none of those procedures took place in their hospital.
Young Turks had a good discussion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOGQ-_o3Lq0
Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:16 pm
by SwampGrouch
highdesert wrote:FGM is much more than male circumcision.
Genital mutilation of children is genital mutilation of children, period. Nothing short of demonstrated medical necessity* in the case of a specific individual makes it okay.
*Postulated future health benefits don't count.
Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:39 pm
by ScottFM
SwampGrouch wrote:highdesert wrote:FGM is much more than male circumcision.
Genital mutilation of children is genital mutilation of children, period. Nothing short of demonstrated medical necessity* in the case of a specific individual makes it okay.
*Postulated future health benefits don't count.
YES!
Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:46 pm
by Mossberg42MB
Circumcision allegedly enhances sexual pleasure, whereas clitorectomy prevents it. Significant difference there.
Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:56 pm
by inomaha
SwampGrouch wrote:But circumcision is tradition so it's okay.

Unfortunately that is the argument. Classic Tu quoque. At least girls are equal right?
Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:16 pm
by Stiff
I am against FGM, but I think it's the height of double standard to send a doctor to jail for life for performing it, while circumcision for non-consenting boys is 100% legal.
To be perfectly fair, any non-corrective genital procedure should be legal only for consenting adults. If you're 18 and you still want to do it, fine, but kids should not be subject to their parents' will for this matter.
Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:51 pm
by SwampGrouch
Mossberg42MB wrote:Circumcision allegedly enhances sexual pleasure, whereas clitorectomy prevents it. Significant difference there.
On the contrary, male circumcision was not common in the US outside of the Jewish community until the late 19th Century.
At that time, British and American doctors began recommending it primarily as a deterrent to masturbation, masturbatory insanity being such a terrible threat to public health and order.
Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:57 pm
by HuckleberryFun
I concur. Circumcision severs many nerves and significantly decreases feeling and sexual pleasure.
Of course, thus may be considered a plus in some circles.
Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:00 pm
by TrueTexan
I'm against Circumcision for males or females. If the person needs that surgery for a valid medical reason that's fine otherwise wait until they are of legal age and can decide on the own.
As for male Circumcision as a nurse I have seen the results of when it goes wrong. Not a very good result.
As for religious reasons to have Circumcision it is not just the Jewish population but also the Moslem population that practices the Act.
Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:01 pm
by TrueTexan
If the doctor is being charged are the parents being charge with child endangerment or child abuse?
Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:12 pm
by highdesert
TrueTexan wrote:If the doctor is being charged are the parents being charge with child endangerment or child abuse?
I think it's a good idea, taking children across state lines to be abused. The Feds are probably treading cautiously since they need the cooperation of the children against the doctor. They may have already done a deal to get the parent's cooperation and children's testimony.
A short video on what FGM is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSNEgLgvzUY
It's already a federal crime to perform FGM, a harder battle ahead to outlaw male circumcision. Male circumcision on infants in Denmark and Sweden is illegal.
Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:28 am
by BKinzey
What male who has been circumcised as a child went on to experience pain in performing intercourse as an adult due to the circumcision?
That's the difference.
You can argue they are both wrong but FGM often affects the rest of the woman's sex life.
Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:01 pm
by HuckleberryFun
BKinzey wrote:What male who has been circumcised as a child went on to experience pain in performing intercourse as an adult due to the circumcision?
That's the difference.
You can argue they are both wrong but FGM often affects the rest of the woman's sex life.
Many gay men (straight women I dunno....), me among them, think that circumcised penises are ugly and a turn off. So yes, it could affect your sex life...
well maybe not YOUR sex life, but
someone's.
Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:17 pm
by SwampGrouch
BKinzey wrote:What male who has been circumcised as a child went on to experience pain in performing intercourse as an adult due to the circumcision?
That's the difference.
You can argue they are both wrong but FGM often affects the rest of the woman's sex life.
You gonna volunteer to get cut so you can compare the experiences?
Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:21 am
by BKinzey
All you need do is look up FGM on the internet.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Female+Genital+Mutilation
Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:17 am
by SwampGrouch
I don't need to read all that again. But, okay, I'll quote your party line, "Female genital mutilation is worse than male genital mutilation because [insert lame attempt at minimizing here]." Yeah, it interferes with sexual activity more for women than for men, so f
uckornicating what? It doesn't change the fact that cutting kids of either sex is barbaric.
If informed consenting adults, male or female, want to get cut to get into heaven or gross out the squares or whatever, that's their business, but leave the kids pee-pees alone.
Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:28 pm
by Mikester
Bisbee wrote:Watch, the lawyers are going to bring up protections for freedom of religious expression in their defense. With all the anti-abortion cases in play throughout the States, this would be an interesting test case for future decisions on religion and medical procedures.
You called it... In the first hearing the Defense Attorney claimed protection under free exercise of religion.
Surprising nobody, this doctor is Muslim and performing the procedure in accordance with her bullshit religion. According to the Defense, this procedure is actually being performed secretly in Mosques across the US, and the clinic was used as an alternative to keep it sterile.
That defense reveals some horrifying behavior that should really be investigated. FGM is absolutely unacceptable and destructive to the sexual health and psychological well-being of women.
However, all the doctor needs to do now is claim "Islamaphobia" and a bunch of misguided people on the far left will rush to the defense of this atrocious act.
Last year, the Journal of Medical Ethics published an article making the case that it's time to revisit the blanket prohibition on female genital mutilation and consider allowing exceptions because the ban is "culturally insensitive" to Muslims, is "supremacist" and some-crazy-how "discriminatory against women."
This appalling argument was made by the type of so-called "progressive" now more frequently referred to as the "regressive left." If you want to know why people talk about "political correctness run amuck," this is why.
Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:48 pm
by Mason
The doctor fucked up my circumcision. I remember it being very painful to pee and spending a couple of days in hospital when they "fixed" it. I musta been four- ish. I hadn't stared school. I have visible scars. The general anisthetic giant shot in the ass was a blast for a scared four year old. I remember the horror the second time they put me under, I knew what was coming.
Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:17 pm
by dandad
I am pretty sure they screwed up mine as well. I know they did it when I was born, but Im pretty sure it was a lot bigger before they removed part of it.
Lol
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Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:19 pm
by dandad
Mason wrote:The doctor fucked up my circumcision. I remember it being very painful to pee and spending a couple of days in hospital when they "fixed" it. I musta been four- ish. I hadn't stared school. I have visible scars. The general anisthetic giant shot in the ass was a blast for a scared four year old. I remember the horror the second time they put me under, I knew what was coming.
That would suck. Why at 4? I thought it was at birth, or for some at 13.
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Re: Michigan doctor arrested for female genital mutilation
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:23 pm
by dandad
Mikester wrote:Bisbee wrote:Watch, the lawyers are going to bring up protections for freedom of religious expression in their defense. With all the anti-abortion cases in play throughout the States, this would be an interesting test case for future decisions on religion and medical procedures.
You called it... In the first hearing the Defense Attorney claimed protection under free exercise of religion.
Surprising nobody, this doctor is Muslim and performing the procedure in accordance with her bullshit religion. According to the Defense, this procedure is actually being performed secretly in Mosques across the US, and the clinic was used as an alternative to keep it sterile.
That defense reveals some horrifying behavior that should really be investigated. FGM is absolutely unacceptable and destructive to the sexual health and psychological well-being of women.
However, all the doctor needs to do now is claim "Islamaphobia" and a bunch of misguided people on the far left will rush to the defense of this atrocious act. [emoji14]
Last year, the Journal of Medical Ethics published an article making the case that it's time to revisit the blanket prohibition on female genital mutilation and consider allowing exceptions because the ban is "culturally insensitive" to Muslims, is "supremacist" and some-crazy-how "discriminatory against women."
This appalling argument was made by the type of so-called "progressive" now more frequently referred to as the "regressive left." If you want to know why people talk about "political correctness run amuck," this is why.
I am pretty sure ita not part of Muslim religion , but an act performed by a few groups that claim its islamic law. But its locals made up act under the pretense of religion. Just as many religious radicals do. Be them Muslim, Hindi, Christian,Jewish, Mormon, etc... They read into the writings what they want , and say thats religion.
Update
Found it
A very well written , and very long, background on this practice and its wrongly being attributed to religion.
http://www.meforum.org/1629/is-female-g ... ic-problem
Just a tidbit for your viewing pleasure.
"Among social activists and feminists, combating female genital mutilation (FGM) is an important policy goal. Sometimes called female circumcision or female genital cutting, FGM is the cutting of the clitoris of girls in order to curb their sexual desire and preserve their sexual honor before marriage. The practice, prevalent in some majority Muslim countries, has a tremendous cost: many girls bleed to death or die of infection. Most are traumatized. Those who survive can suffer adverse health effects during marriage and pregnancy. New information from Iraqi Kurdistan raises the possibility that the problem is more prevalent in the Middle East than previously believed and that FGM is far more tied to religion than many Western academics and activists admit.
Many Muslims and academics in the West take pains to insist that the practice is not rooted in religion[1] but rather in culture. "When one considers that the practice does not prevail and is much condemned in countries like Saudi Arabia, the center of the Islamic world, it becomes clear that the notion that it is an Islamic practice is a false one," Haseena Lockhat, a child clinical psychologist at North Warwickshire Primary Care Trust, wrote.[2] True, FGM occurs in non-Muslim societies in Africa. And in Arab states such as Egypt, where perhaps 97 percent of girls suffer genital mutilation,[3] both Christian Copts and Muslims are complicit.
But at the village level, those who commit the practice believe it to be religiously mandated. Religion is not only theology but also practice. And the practice is widespread throughout the Middle East. Many diplomats, international organization workers, and Arabists argue that the problem is localized to North Africa or sub-Saharan Africa,[4] but they are wrong. The problem is pervasive throughout the Levant, the Fertile Crescent, and the Arabian Peninsula, and among many immigrants to the West from these countries. Silence on the issue is less reflective of the absence of the problem than insufficient freedom for feminists and independent civil society to raise the issue."