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Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 3:37 am
by SilasSoule
Petition For Firearms at RNC Convention Draws Strong Support
"By forcing attendees to leave their firearms at home, the RNC and Quicken Loans Arena are putting tens of thousands of people at risk both inside and outside of the convention site."
https://www.newsmax.com/Headline/petiti ... id/720807/
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:14 am
by TheHunterOfSkulls
Said petition has been picked up by several pro-restriction sites and many of them are not subtly hinting that they'd like to see it turn tragic.
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:34 am
by dougb
Not a 2A event. RNC is not a government unit. They could solve the problem by charging extra to enter with a weapon. Couple hundred dollars would weed out the problem causers, and allow any one caught with out disclosing to be charged with some crime. No one is forced to attend.
It has been tragic for weeks now.
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:49 am
by RobertS
They won't allow it. They know themselves, among there followers, there is too many radicals and unstable people. They're as afraid of their people as much as the anti-gun crowd.
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:56 am
by SailDesign
dougb wrote:<snippage!>
Couple hundred dollars would weed out the problem causers, and allow any one caught with out disclosing to be charged with some crime.
<more snip>
But, but, but... That's like saying only rich folks can carry! Is that not contra to everything we have been fighting for here?
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:16 am
by Elmo
The Trumpists and Cruzists will have their melee weapons.
I believe the fasces is preferred.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:54 am
by SwampGrouch
Do the names
Preston Brooks and Charles Sumner ring a bell?
(From back in the days when the Democrats were reactionaries and the GOP progressives or even radicals.)
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:40 pm
by workinstiff
Oh please, please, please. Brokered convention turns into gunfight.
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 2:36 pm
by TheHunterOfSkulls
RobertS wrote:They won't allow it. They know themselves, among there followers, there is too many radicals and unstable people. They're as afraid of their people as much as the anti-gun crowd.
I'd be willing to bet that the arena itself prohibits firearms, so it's not like the GOP would get a vote either way.
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:06 pm
by TrueTexan
Don't know about Cleveland, but in Texas carrying of guns at an athlete event is prohibited.
It also sounds like the RNC is going to make the gladiatorial games of Rome look like a Little League game.
So they should be prohibited unless they are going to be used by the candidates to decide the nomination.
I just wonder if Cruz is going to be serving KoolAid?
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:50 am
by SilasSoule
They have reportedly gotten 20,000 "signatures".
"It was not clear whether the person posting the petition was backing the proposal or attempting to put the party, which strongly backs gun rights, in an awkward position.... The Journal says the National Rifle Association declined to comment on the petition."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /82289342/
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:54 am
by Inquisitor
SilasSoule wrote:They have reportedly gotten 20,000 "signatures".
"It was not clear whether the person posting the petition was backing the proposal or attempting to put the party, which strongly backs gun rights, in an awkward position.... The Journal says the National Rifle Association declined to comment on the petition."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /82289342/
Whichever, it seems to have oddly bipartisan support among the masses.
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:36 pm
by dougb
SailDesign wrote:dougb wrote:<snippage!>
Couple hundred dollars would weed out the problem causers, and allow any one caught with out disclosing to be charged with some crime.
<more snip>
But, but, but... That's like saying only rich folks can carry! Is that not contra to everything we have been fighting for here?
Money is speech!!!
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 11:27 pm
by antia
Common sense analysis, if 1A is pushed out to a designated protest zone, why wouldn't 2A be allowed in a designated 2A zone, likely outside the arena.
Practical analysis, given that the Secret Service is Fed agency running the show on candidate protection, why would they allow firearms in a restricted space where multiple candidates will appear?
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 12:01 am
by inomaha
Democratic petition trolls better be careful. You may see the same petition brought up for the Democratic convention. It might get 5 million signatures , insread of 20,000, if the NRA gets wind.
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 12:08 am
by Elmo
inomaha wrote:Democratic petition trolls better be careful. You may see the same petition brought up for the Democratic convention. It might get 5 million signatures , insread of 20,000, if the NRA gets wind.
Yes, but the Democrats would say, no way we're letting guns into our convention, don't be ridiculous.
The petition is only a problem for the Republicans because their base is more conflicted on this issue.
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:23 am
by DispositionMatrix
inomaha wrote:Democratic petition trolls better be careful. You may see the same petition brought up for the Democratic convention. It might get 5 million signatures , insread of 20,000, if the NRA gets wind.
How would this impact an arena full of people who believe the mere ownership of firearms by citizens should be illegal?
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:12 pm
by SilasSoule
Guns at GOP convention petition tops 35K; Trump wants to study 'fine print'
"While proclaiming himself “a very, very strong person for Second Amendment,” the Republican front-runner told ABC's “This Week” that “I have not seen the petition. I want to see what it says. I want to read the fine print.”"
http://triblive.com/politics/politicalh ... republican
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:35 pm
by SilasSoule
antia wrote:Common sense analysis, if 1A is pushed out to a designated protest zone, why wouldn't 2A be allowed in a designated 2A zone, likely outside the arena.
Practical analysis, given that the Secret Service is Fed agency running the show on candidate protection, why would they allow firearms in a restricted space where multiple candidates will appear?
Yes, there is no way this is ever going to happen. It's political theater, but the Republican candidates are not sharp enough to take the ball and run with it. "Of course firearms should be allowed! What? Oh, sorry, the Secret Service won't let us!" I shouldn't be giving them any ideas.
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 11:39 pm
by sturner
TheHunterOfSkulls wrote:RobertS wrote:They won't allow it. They know themselves, among there followers, there is too many radicals and unstable people. They're as afraid of their people as much as the anti-gun crowd.
I'd be willing to bet that the arena itself prohibits firearms, so it's not like the GOP would get a vote either way.
the venue does have a no carry policy.
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:29 am
by modernhamlet
Much ado about nothing.
The event is on private property. The owner of that property has a no guns policy. End of conversation. End of story.
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:35 am
by inomaha
Elmo wrote:inomaha wrote:Democratic petition trolls better be careful. You may see the same petition brought up for the Democratic convention. It might get 5 million signatures , insread of 20,000, if the NRA gets wind.
Yes, but the Democrats would say, no way we're letting guns into our convention, don't be ridiculous.
The petition is only a problem for the Republicans because their base is more conflicted on this issue.
I don't doubt that there are Democrats signing the petition for the LULZ of it. They get to point and laugh, "Look the Republicans want guns everywhere, but ban them from their own events.". I could see half of the signatures coming from the DKOS and/or Comedy Central staff.
If a Liberal with a CCW permit (a unicorn we know exists) were to set up a similar petition for the Democratic Convention, it wouldn't take much for it to get over 35,000 signatures. So they could point and laugh, "Look the Democrats want to ban guns everywhere, but 5,000,000 people want them at their own event.".
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:52 pm
by TrueTexan
Secret Service says not no but hell no to guns at the GOP convention.
Title 18 United States Code Sections 3056 and 1752 provides the Secret Service authority to preclude firearms from entering sites visited by our protectees, including those located in open-carry states. Only authorized law enforcement personnel working in conjunction with the Secret Service for a particular event may carry a firearm inside of the protected site. The Secret Service works closely with our local law enforcement partners in each state to ensure a safe environment for our protectees and the public. Individuals determined to be carrying firearms will not be allowed past a predetermined outer perimeter checkpoint, regardless of whether they possess a ticket to the event.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rep ... d3fe234d28
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:19 pm
by JaxTeller
TrueTexan wrote:Secret Service says not no but hell no to guns at the GOP convention.
Title 18 United States Code Sections 3056 and 1752 provides the Secret Service authority to preclude firearms from entering sites visited by our protectees, including those located in open-carry states. Only authorized law enforcement personnel working in conjunction with the Secret Service for a particular event may carry a firearm inside of the protected site. The Secret Service works closely with our local law enforcement partners in each state to ensure a safe environment for our protectees and the public. Individuals determined to be carrying firearms will not be allowed past a predetermined outer perimeter checkpoint, regardless of whether they possess a ticket to the event.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rep ... d3fe234d28
And that's that.
Re: Provocateurs demand right to open carry at RNC
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:03 am
by Bisbee
antia wrote:Common sense analysis, if 1A is pushed out to a designated protest zone, why wouldn't 2A be allowed in a designated 2A zone, likely outside the arena.
Practical analysis, given that the Secret Service is Fed agency running the show on candidate protection, why would they allow firearms in a restricted space where multiple candidates will appear?
Yeah, but bullets hurt more than words... and travel farther. Would one have to have the 2nd Amendment zone in a parking lot several miles away? How many miles to be safe?
I love it. RNC gets burned for playing with (Teabag) fire.
