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http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... -shootings

At least seven people are dead after multiple shootings in three different locations in the Kalamazoo, Mich., area. on Saturday night. Three additional people were shot, two of which are listed by local hospitals as being in critical condition.

Kalamazoo Public Safety Chief Jeff Hadley says Michigan police have detained a "strong suspect" in the killings. Earlier, local police said they were looking for a white man in his 50s, driving a blue, Chevy HHR, based on descriptions drawn from surveillance video and eyewitness statements.

Gordon Evans of WMUK tells our Newscast unit that the suspect was taken into custody more than six hours after the first shooting:

More:
http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/ind ... tally.html

KALAMAZOO, MI — Kalamazoo's police chief is calling the mass shootings in the area "random acts of violence."

Seven people were killed Saturday evening and Sunday morning when a man in his mid-40s from Kalamazoo shot people at random at three different scenes.

"It's totally unprovoked, random acts of violence," said Kalamazoo Department of Public Safety Chief Jeff Hadley. "We're still trying to figure out the motives."

Edited title for accuracy.

I just woke up to this news. Thirsty hers actually lives closer to where that happened.

This poses an interesting question for CCW people: would you return fire to a moving vehicle? I would not.

Dang. Randoms suck more than any other shootings for me.

CDFingers

CDFingers wrote:This poses an interesting question for CCW people: would you return fire to a moving vehicle? I would not.

A very tough call, and the reason most law enforcement agency use of force policies don't outright prohibit doing so, using instead language that translates into, "If you do, you'd better have bloody damn good reason or we're going to crucify you."

What factors would justify it? Well, in this case, if guy is shooting people seemingly at random and it looks like he's going to continue doing so, the essentially driverless car may present less risk than letting him go on his merry way and letting the cops deal with him. Is there a crowd of school kids on a field trip for him to plow into when you hit him and he loses control? That changes things. Or is he shooting at the kids, too? Since the vehicle is moving, knowing what's beyond and around your target becomes a whole lot more difficult,too.

Now, if he's circles back and starts on another firing pass, I'd be way more inclined to shoot back. He's demonstrated that he remains a threat.

Again, a very tough call. Good on you for thinking about this stuff in advance, CD.

Three name guy in custody.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/21/us/michig ... ing-spree/

(CNN)Police have arrested Jason Brian Dalton in connection with three shooting incidents that killed six people and injured two more in Kalamazoo County, Michigan, prosecutor Jeff Getting said Sunday.

"I would expect six counts of murder, two counts of assault with intent to commit murder, six counts of felony firearm, and then we'll see from there."

"I know he liked guns," Gary Pardo said.

CDFingers wrote:This poses an interesting question for CCW people: would you return fire to a moving vehicle? I would not.

Dang. Randoms suck more than any other shootings for me.

CDFingers

Like my old professor said, the answer to the question is "it depends".

If he's moving fast and I have good cover, then the likelihood of him hitting me is slim to none, so I wouldn't return fire. If he's 10 feet away blasting at me while driving at 5 mph, and I have nowhere to hide, then I will return fire.

"Uber" has been worked into the story since the shooter was an Uber driver.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... story.html

By midday, authorities were investigating a Facebook post that indicated the suspect was driving for Uber during the manhunt and had taken at least one fare, Getting said.

A spokeswoman for Uber confirmed that Dalton had driven for the company in the past, but she declined to say whether he was driving Saturday night.

Uber prohibits both passengers and drivers from possessing guns of any kind in a vehicle. Anyone found to be in violation of the policy may be prohibited from using or driving for the service.

DispositionMatrix wrote:"Uber" has been worked into the story since the shooter was an Uber driver.

What do you mean 'worked' into the story?

It's always good to be suspicious at seeing new corps getting into a story carried perhaps by media who've perhaps invested in the mentioned company. The source I saw said he drove for Uber. "Worked" might be a bit rich, but it's good to watch, eh?

CDFingers

Uber prohibits both passengers and drivers from possessing guns of any kind in a vehicle. Anyone found to be in violation of the policy may be prohibited from using or driving for the service.

Uber driver stops a mass shooting.
Uber responds by banning their drivers from carrying.
Uber driver commits a mass shooting.

I am not sure that ban worked very well.

Serial killers are odd by definition. Some are lazy and some are meticulous. Had he lured random people tied them up and killed them quietly, he could have gone for years. This method was quick, just as random, and just as wtong.

"Arsenal."
http://www.wzzm13.com/news/local/kalama ... e/54722227

Jason Dalton's neighbors have said he liked guns, but just how much is becoming more apparent as additional details come out about the killing spree that the Uber driver is accused of committing in Kalamazoo.

Eleven long guns -- mainly rifles -- and four handguns were seized from Dalton's home in rural Cooper Township, north of Kalamazoo, in the aftermath of Saturday's shootings that left six people dead and two others gravely wounded.

A neighbor told the Free Press today that Dalton regularly shot off his guns, sometimes for hours on end.

Thank god it wasn't terrorism

Now the story is he was unhappy about restrictions placed on gun owners.
http://woodtv.com/2016/02/24/friend-dal ... shootings/

COOPER TOWNSHIP, Mich. (WOOD) — A longtime, close friend of the Kalamazoo shooting spree suspect said Jason Dalton is a staunch Second Amendment supporter who feared that recent mass shootings could lead to gun control.

“He was a gun enthusiast. He’s always been pro-Second Amendment,” Dalton’s friend, who asked not to be identified, told 24 Hour News 8 on Wednesday, providing some of the best insight so far into the suspected killer.

He had owned guns for years for protection, the friend said, and also liked gun shows and shooting at the range.

Those last two are on the cusp of becoming disarmament enthusiast dogwhistle for extremist enemy of the state.

He's for the second amendment then goes ahead a does something to add more fuel to the fire of the anti's argument. Good job fuckhead.

And in related news, an Indian-(Hindu type, not NA)-killed 14 with a knife in India, then suicided with a rope. Not a gun in sight.