The guns are legal and he is a licensed gun owner, but the ammo exceeded the limit of what’s legal.

The state of New York can go fuck itself...

Ammo limit? That's just kind of numb. Now, 600 pounds of powder. That could leave a mark. On a city block. Might be legit issues there.

CDFingers

Have tried Google, Wiki, etc, but nowhere can I find out WHAT the legal limit for ammo is. Anyone?

More details.
http://www.longislandfirearms.com/forum ... nse-forms/

Ammunition
You may not possess more than a total of 200 rounds of ammunition in your premises. Not 200 rounds of a certain caliber, not 200 rounds for each gun. Your TOTAL round count for ALL ammunition in your premises may not exceed 200 rounds. This is true for those with carry permits as well as premise permits. This is a NY Fire Department regulation.

DispositionMatrix wrote:More details.
http://www.longislandfirearms.com/forum ... nse-forms/

Ammunition
You may not possess more than a total of 200 rounds of ammunition in your premises. Not 200 rounds of a certain caliber, not 200 rounds for each gun. Your TOTAL round count for ALL ammunition in your premises may not exceed 200 rounds. This is true for those with carry permits as well as premise permits. This is a NY Fire Department regulation.

Thanks. Remind again to appreciate how not-like-NY Rhode Island is, even though it is pretty draconian at times.

DispositionMatrix wrote:More details.
http://www.longislandfirearms.com/forum ... nse-forms/

Ammunition
You may not possess more than a total of 200 rounds of ammunition in your premises. Not 200 rounds of a certain caliber, not 200 rounds for each gun. Your TOTAL round count for ALL ammunition in your premises may not exceed 200 rounds. This is true for those with carry permits as well as premise permits. This is a NY Fire Department regulation.

200 rounds? That's not even enough for an average range trip for me...

Good grief. A bulk pack of 22 and you're done?

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TheViking wrote:

DispositionMatrix wrote:More details.
http://www.longislandfirearms.com/forum ... nse-forms/

Ammunition
You may not possess more than a total of 200 rounds of ammunition in your premises. Not 200 rounds of a certain caliber, not 200 rounds for each gun. Your TOTAL round count for ALL ammunition in your premises may not exceed 200 rounds. This is true for those with carry permits as well as premise permits. This is a NY Fire Department regulation.

200 rounds? That's not even enough for an average range trip for me...

The party is just getting started at 200. My friends and I go through that many just on the skeet range. Of course, we also do live in a free state.

Since most apartments there are tiny, and in high density buildings, it could be like me having 200 rounds in every room of the house.

It's still stupid.

Bloomberg would like to impose that type of law on the rest of the country. 200 rounds is what my son and I shot on a range trip. When I get down to 200 I start loading more.

My grandmother's house is in Astoria Queens. As old as that thing is, I'm not sure the amount of gunpowder that guy had wouldn't level her house.

Smokeless powder is remarkably stable and safe, especially when sealed properly. Not sure why people think it's like sitting on a bomb or something.

The only conceivable risk I can see to having that much powder is if the house catches fire, the probability of which is so incredibly minute that it's not even worth mentioning.

I wonder if they have a prohibition on outdoor propane tanks? Or in-ground oil tanks? The risks of either of those things causing problem are about zero, much like the perp's powder stash. Well, there is that minor issue of millions of old leaky oil tanks...., but I digress.

And, for fuck's sake, I'm tired of every bit of gun-related news including the word 'arsenal'.

Since I've lived here there was a guy making illegal fireworks and the took his stuff. I think an explosion from someone making pipe bombs, and the normal fireworks injuries and deaths. But there have been at least one or two fires/explosions from natural gas lines.

The latest last month when it destroyed a building downtown.

I'll second the remark about NY effing itself. Same thing with the NY Post -- they can go to hell.

"three high-power magazines of ammo" -- what the hell are high power magazines? Magazines for the Browning Hi-Power?

And when did owning two guns (AR-10 and AR-15 are all that are mentioned) make someone a "gun nut"?

Edit: Also, how did neighbors know he received a "large delivery of firearms" when you can't legally deliver them to a residence (unless he's a C&R licensed owner, but all he owns are AR-15s and AR-10s). Jesus christ.

beaurrr wrote:Smokeless powder is remarkably stable and safe, especially when sealed properly. Not sure why people think it's like sitting on a bomb or something.

As long as it's in the original containers it'll just burn, those are meant to burst open rather than explode in a fire. In the grand scheme of a house or apartment fire, even a substantial amount of powder won't even make things that much worse.

Even loaded ammo that's not in the chamber of a gun will just pop the bullets out with relatively little force since there isn't enough containment to cause a proper explosion.

Now if the powder is stored in a study metal container like an old military ammo boxes, you would have a minor bomb.

SailDesign wrote:Have tried Google, Wiki, etc, but nowhere can I find out WHAT the legal limit for ammo is. Anyone?

The fire code defines small arms ammunition, primers, and smokeless powder as a low explosive: http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/pdf/fireco ... mplete.pdf

Explosives. A permit is required to store, handle, use or sell explosives as follows:
1. Store, sell or offer for sale any amount of black powder and smokeless powder.
2. Store, sell or offer for sale any amount of blasting caps.
3. Store, sell or offer for sale 200 or more shells of small arms ammunition.

The fee for a permit/inspection is $210 for ammunition and $50/$105 for <14/14+ pounds of black or smokeless powder.
Chapter 33

3301.1 Scope. This chapter shall govern the possession, manufacture, storage, handling, use,
transportation and sale of explosives, fireworks, materials used to create a special effect,
including pyrotechnic materials, and model and high-power rockets.

which includes:

3301.3.1 Explosives. It shall be unlawful to:
1. Manufacture any explosive, including small arms ammunition, primers, black powder
and smokeless propellants.

I'm not sure if that includes reloading.

3306.4 Storage in Group R-3 [houses but not apartments] occupancies. Where small arms ammunition and primers are
stored together in Group R-3 occupancies, it shall be unlawful to store a combined quantity of
more than 200, counting each round of ammunition and each primer separately.

It just seems nuts that they would specify a round-by-round limit. 200 50-cals does NOT equate to 200 .22LR rounds....

But no-one is accusing them of being sensible here, I guess.

I used to live in a town where it was illegal to have more than twenty ants. There was a pet ordinance about twenty of any animal, so the ant farm came up. Illegal with more than twenty ants.

It just shows to go you that folks can make all kinds of laws. If I owned a gun shop there, I'd charge a small fee to store ammo for folks. That's the ticket. Adapt and carry on.

CDFingers

Update from a different source, it appears he has a few more guns (14 handguns 2 shotguns, and apparently only one completed rifle, though other AR15/AR10 parts). Lots of guns not properly stored, for which he got zinged. And high capactiy magazines (But what if it was for 458 Socom?!)

http://www.guns.com/2016/02/11/man-char ... apartment/