A "typical" gun owner

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When browsing the web, came across this story:
http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/loca ... 27385.html
An Idaho man (originally from California) who seems to survive by dealing in meth and dope, and also happens to own some legal firearms obtained illegally across state borders, plus illegal short-barreled rifles, and a DIAS (the part that turns a normal and usually legal AR-15 rifle into a very illegal machine gun). Some of his ARs seem to have no serial number, whether legally (built from an 80% lower) or not (foreign them off) is unclear. Also member in a motorcycle "club". He gets arrested and tried as part of a drug sweep in rural Idaho, mostly on several ounces of meth with distribution enhancement, and machine gun charges.

To some extent, this one of the types of "prototypical gun owner": the anti-government anti-authoritarian rugged individualist. In theory, libertarians and liberals should support this type of person, if he didn't go around spreading death and destruction (like meth and bullets).

Where this incident gets really funny: Further googling found that the gentleman in question has an 18 year old son, resident of the San Francisco area (?!?), who seems to have participated in acquiring and setting up the guns in question. The son now posts on a California gun law discussion group, asking for legal aid in retrieving "his" guns. The ones that constitute several federal crimes in and of themselves, were used in the commission of a few other federal crimes, the ones that his father has already given up in a plea deal. What chutzpah! The discussion has since been deleted on that discussion group; I guess California gun owners don't want it to be known publicly what kinds of people they are associated with. Here is a quote of what the young man posted:
Mr. Bohm Jr. in California wrote:Around mid July my Dad moved from Dublin, CA to Meridian, ID. Naturally, I jumped at the chance to move to a free state with him. So, of course I packed up all of my guns and made the trip out there. After a week, a friend of mine drove up from CA and we went storm chasing in Colorado. When we got back to CA 6 days later I came to find out that my Dad and Stepmom had been arrested on some drug related charge and was given a really sketchy story as to why. Turns out some way or another (i still haven't been told the true story) a cop was in the area and smelled weed from the street coming from their house. Just then my Dad and some friends of his rode up (He's affiliated with a noncriminal motorcycle club, though I wont say which) and promptly had his bike checked out by the drug dog. After several attempts by the officer the dog signaled to drugs being on his bike, so they searched it as well as getting a search warrant for the house. (See where i'm going with this?) No dope on the bike, just an unloaded kimber 1911 in the saddle bag for which he was charged with concealed carry without a permit. When the house was searched all of my firearms were taken even though the warrant (which was never shown to anyone) was only for drugs. "Officer safety" I guess. Unfortunately for everybody it turned out that before going on their ride one of his friends left a special something at dads house - a big ol' bag of meth. Well a few weeks later the FED's took over his case, re-arrested him and took all of the evidence (and non-evidence) that Meridian PD had. In November he plead guilty to trafficking (possession over 50 grams in idaho) of methamphetamines. Well come to find out that in the process of getting the return of his harley into the plea deal he signed away his (and apparently my) right to file a claim for any firearms. I'll say that again. He signed a doccument that says if anyone tries to claim any of the firearms, parts, or any other property from the FBI they will be charged with something (i don't know what). I have also been told that the firearms were brought into the state of Idaho illegally (a load of BS). Not to mention the ATF has claimed that one of the items was an unregistered SBR. It was a Mosin Nagant Obrez built off of a barrel with receiver stub and a demilled m38 receiver and bolt. Yep, a title 1 pistol built on a virgin receiver is apparently an illegal NFA item now.

I would really like to know if any of you have any suggestions as to what I should do at this point. Not looking for what I SHOULD have done, I've spent the past 6 months thinking about that. Also not looking for anything to the effect of "That's your fault you idiot", got a lot of that when I posted when this all first went down. My brain isn't really firing on all cylinders right now so I'm sure I've left out some details but I think I got the gist of the situation.
The part that I find really funny is that someone who is directly associated with several very serious crimes, and has managed to get off so far (while his dad and step-mother are going to spend decades in federal prison) seems to think that he has a right to recover the instruments of the crime, and that the prosecution and confiscation seems to be just a vendetta against him.

This is the kind of thing that makes me ashamed of being a gun owner myself. Guilt by association.

Re: A "typical" gun owner

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SoftwareEngineer wrote:
To some extent, this one of the types of "prototypical gun owner": the anti-government anti-authoritarian rugged individualist.


This is the kind of thing that makes me ashamed of being a gun owner myself. Guilt by association.
I could not disagree more. This man isn't remotely a 'prototypical gun owner' -to any extent. Tens of millions of American gun owners are not drug dealers or engaged in manufacturing illegal firearms.
Further, I believe gun owners, in general, are not 'guilty by association' with criminals who use guns any more than Harley owners are not guilty by association with motorcycle 'club' criminals who ride Harleys.
Just imagine what would happen if we started saying that people who wear hoodies are guilty by association.

Guilt (or innocence) should never be applied wholesale based solely on association. It's reckless and dangerous.
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Re: A "typical" gun owner

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virtualhabitat wrote:...
Just imagine what would happen if we started saying that people who wear hoodies are guilty by association.
Sadly, that already happens.

I'm of the belief that the media needs more stories of normal *cough* people like us who also happen to be gun owners.
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Re: A "typical" gun owner

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Bacchus wrote:
virtualhabitat wrote:...
Just imagine what would happen if we started saying that people who wear hoodies are guilty by association.
Sadly, that already happens.

I'm of the belief that the media needs more stories of normal *cough* people like us who also happen to be gun owners.
Agreed, journalism has been focused on sensationalism for so long, the exception has become the rule.
The symbol of the race ought to be a human being carrying an ax, for every human being has one concealed about him somewhere, and is always seeking the opportunity to grind it.
- Mark Twain, a Biography

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Remember the words of the king of Yellow Journalism, William Randolph Hearst.
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Re: A "typical" gun owner

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SoftwareEngineer wrote:This is the kind of thing that makes me ashamed of being a gun owner myself. Guilt by association.
:rolleyes: If you say so. :rolleyes:

Even the majority of conservative gun owners I encounter at the range or classes do not fit your characterization of a "prototypical gun owner." :rolleyes:
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Re: A "typical" gun owner

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pdoggeth wrote:"Prototypical gun owner"? According to whom? The CSGV?
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Re: A "typical" gun owner

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Also, by "law discussion group", you probably mean the Calguns "General Discussion" forum. Deleted now, yes, but the cache remains up. I won't link to it, you can find it if you try hard enough.

Not to defend Calguns in anyway, but I think you're stretching this statement a bit:
The discussion has since been deleted on that discussion group; I guess California gun owners don't want it to be known publicly what kinds of people they are associated with
We both don't know the actual reason the post was deleted; it could have been at the request of the son in question. The son himself is a relatively new member of Calguns, he has less than 40 posts total, so I wouldn't say he was representative of a typical Calguns poster. Almost unanimously the replies in the thread were "get a lawyer ASAP, we can't offer legal advice here" or to that extent. Leaving the thread up would not have hurt the integrity of Calguns, let alone gun owners.

It's pretty obvious this whole family has some shady background, whether it's drug running or illegal gun modifications. These guys are bad apples. But this is a far from the norm from typical gun owners. As gun owners, we tend to like our guns, so we tend not to do things that would get guns taken away or prevent us from acquiring new guns in the future (ie felony convictions).

Re: A "typical" gun owner

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Shame is an insidious emotion, worthless for advancing anything other than ulcers. I recommend to avoid shame.

Some other folks' associations with things I don't do, do not in any way influence the things that I do do, even if they do it too. Lookin' out my back door, as it were. :yes:

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Re: A "typical" gun owner

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SoftwareEngineer wrote:To some extent, this one of the types of "prototypical gun owner": the anti-government anti-authoritarian rugged individualist.
Perhaps in the minds of some who have swallowed the politicization of the issue, but in reality, it's Bovine Feces.
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SwampGrouch wrote:
SoftwareEngineer wrote:To some extent, this one of the types of "prototypical gun owner": the anti-government anti-authoritarian rugged individualist.
Perhaps in the minds of some who have swallowed the politicization of the issue, but in reality, it's Bovine Feces.
Maybe, but we have lamented the existence of such for some time. So much so this place exists to not be near them and their ilk...

Re: A "typical" gun owner

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Well, l guess I'm an atypical gun owner.

Other than being old and white...

My parents never were jailed and remained wedded until Dad passed.

There were no guns in the house I grew up in. I'm not involved in drug making/dealing. All my arms are legally purchased and still have the serial numbers on them.

I like to think of myself as rugged but as close as I can come to that is stubborn. I actually rely on a functioning society to survive.

I want Bernie Sanders to be the next President.

Guess I'm not good media fodder.
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