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Heh. I actually just came up with a working design with that thought in mind. I may have to go to a prototyping machine shop to see about getting one done and patented.

And yeah. I think Brown will veto again this year. We're screwed when Governor Goodhair (The authoritarian neo-left version, not to be confused with the original from Texas) gets into office.

Here's one patent already:

https://www.google.com/patents/US875684 ... 0Q6AEIODAE

Should we be spending our time pushing for a Gun Owners Rights Act that aggressively undermines states rights (crappy gun laws).... CA, NY, etc....? Basically, if a state has an "assault" rifle ban on its books the Feds block federal funding for non-compliance... among other measures. Sprinkle on the FBI to arrest any politicos for non-compliance:)

Trying to gain a compromise solution with these people is futile in CA. Its now a race to see who is more anti-gun. The best that we can do is ensure that we vote against the loudest voices.

shinzen wrote:Here's one patent already:

https://www.google.com/patents/US875684 ... 0Q6AEIODAE

Wonder how many CA politicians have shares in that....

This thread has established the gun restrictionist legislators in California want to take something from gun owners. That being the case, what are the legislators offering in return?

DispositionMatrix wrote:This thread has established the gun restrictionist legislators in California want to take something from gun owners. That being the case, what are the legislators offering in return?

Two Attaboys and a pat on the head.

DispositionMatrix wrote:This thread has established the gun restrictionist legislators in California want to take something from gun owners. That being the case, what are the legislators offering in return?

A delay of at least 3 weeks before they ask for something else...

DispositionMatrix wrote:This thread has established the gun restrictionist legislators in California want to take something from gun owners. That being the case, what are the legislators offering in return?

Jack and squat.

Unintended (Or perhaps not) consequences of this move may well finally piss off the hunting crowd and the wood rifle crowd. Impacted rifles that would also be considered assault weapons in this round would include:

Browning BAR Shorttrac and Longtrac
Benelli R1
Remington 750 Woodsmaster
Ruger Ranch Rifle
Springfield M1A
M1A1 Carbine
FN49

Maybe the Garand as well?

DispositionMatrix wrote:This thread has established the gun restrictionist legislators in California want to take something from gun owners. That being the case, what are the legislators offering in return?

Legislators in CA don't have to offer anything in return and won't. Can you imagine any Democrat going back to their district who either didn't rubber stamp an anti-gun measure, let alone proposed "compromising" with gun owners?

We need to turn our sights to an all 50 states Gun Owners Civil Rights Act or something like this handle to solidify rights in other states and place limits on anti-2nd extremists in CA. We can't wait a decade for court cases to resolve. When I say "we" I mean gun owners nation wide. The LGC have moved the needle, but only slightly. Better than never, but we are about 30 years too late in CA to influence Democratic Party politics.

We must get the word out on every thread outside of LGC of what is occurring in CA. The narrative of future sales bans and outright prohibition (standard mag prohibition) needs to be a part of the corosive effects on gun rights among gun owners outside of CA. It needs to be more prominently discussed nationally among gun owners. We can use all of this to help our cause nationally and help erode gun related prohibitions in other states before they become law.

joeblow9999 wrote:

DispositionMatrix wrote:This thread has established the gun restrictionist legislators in California want to take something from gun owners. That being the case, what are the legislators offering in return?

Legislators in CA don't have to offer anything in return and won't. Can you imagine any Democrat going back to their district who either didn't rubber stamp an anti-gun measure, let alone proposed "compromising" with gun owners?

We need to turn our sights to an all 50 states Gun Owners Civil Rights Act or something like this handle to solidify rights in other states and place limits on anti-2nd extremists in CA. We can't wait a decade for court cases to resolve. When I say "we" I mean gun owners nation wide. The LGC have moved the needle, but only slightly. Better than never, but we are about 30 years too late in CA to influence Democratic Party politics.

We must get the word out on every thread outside of LGC of what is occurring in CA. The narrative of future sales bans and outright prohibition (standard mag prohibition) needs to be a part of the corosive effects on gun rights among gun owners outside of CA. It needs to be more prominently discussed nationally among gun owners. We can use all of this to help our cause nationally and help erode gun related prohibitions in other states before they become law.

Sounds great, but getting such a bill signed into law by Obama/Hillary over the next 9 years is never going to happen.

I am glad I do not live there. I am ready just to call it like it is and say:

Blue State Problems

Reading this craptastic prop again, I think things such as M1 Garands or CA-legal SKS's should be fine since their "ammunition feeding device" is permanently attached in the receiver (or at least can't be removed without disassembly). The en-bloc or stripper clip, while detachable, is not what feeds the cartridges into the chamber, it's the actual permanently affixed magazine well and spring inside that does. Of course, who knows how the CA DOJ will interpret this, I'm pretty sure most of them are confused by the current laws as it is.

CA Legislators should realize that if they wanted to reduce the number of "assault weapons" in California, they have all but guaranteed that the number of "assault weapons" will triple or quadruple after they pass such legislation. The run on lower receivers will be legendary, both from existing gun owners and from first time gun owners as they want to get a hold of something before it is prohibited from sale. Watch 80% jigs start flying off retailer's shelves as well.

i'm thinking belt-fed semi-auto now...

lurker wrote:i'm thinking belt-fed semi-auto now...

Belt fed is an ammunition feeding device and in CA can't link over 10 rounds. The evil baby killing loophole is some people have links of over ten rounds that are preban. Some of these nefarious monsters have inserted a dummy round as the 11th link so when fired there is always at least 10 rounds left linked together so they can add as many more linked rounds as they want so they never "manufacture" a new feeding device of greater than 10 rounds.

The Outlaw Josey Wales was on again. Cap and ball 6 shooters. About 6 of them. Probably weigh less than body armor. He didn't have speed loaders and he didn't have 10 shot magazines. Between legal get arounds and scofflaws ignoring the laws completely, what will California gain? I note that guns are selling quickly in the great state. And the urban terrorist still has bomb making 101 to work with.
I suppose it's easier to do than actually solve a problem, and it does get air time.

BKinzey wrote:

lurker wrote:i'm thinking belt-fed semi-auto now...

Belt fed is an ammunition feeding device and in CA can't link over 10 rounds.

aw, shucks.

dougb wrote:The Outlaw Josey Wales was on again. Cap and ball 6 shooters. About 6 of them. Probably weigh less than body armor. He didn't have speed loaders and he didn't have 10 shot magazines. Between legal get arounds and scofflaws ignoring the laws completely, what will California gain? I note that guns are selling quickly in the great state. And the urban terrorist still has bomb making 101 to work with.
I suppose it's easier to do than actually solve a problem, and it does get air time.

All you need is two 686 plus 357 magnums. That is 14 rounds of proven manstoppers in a New York carry. Also good to use as clubs. Add a couple of speed loaders if not banned and there you have a good defensive combination.

the law is bullshit, but the SKS is a fantastic rifle. And, what's more, you can buy them by the crate of 10:

https://www.classicfirearms.com/yugo-sks-for-sale

these qualify for C&R, but would require that the grenade launching tip be cut off and then re-crowned to be legal in CA.

Group buy, fellow californians?

Is it possible to recall a state Attourney General?

More on 1664 and the other two bills affecting MSRs:
http://www.courthousenews.com/2016/03/0 ... -bills.htm

Santiago said the proposal, Assembly Bill 1674, is crucial to closing a loophole on long-gun purchases - rifles and shotguns - and slowing gun sales in California. California limited handgun purchases to one per month in 1999 but long-gun purchases are still unlimited.

Another bill to prohibit gun manufacturers from selling weapons with a "bullet button" also passed the committee Tuesday. Assemblyman Marc Levine, D-San Rafael, said AB 1664 prevents the current practice of gun manufacturers exploiting state laws by creating ways for users to quickly detach magazines.

The committee also advanced AB 1663, which too addresses guns manufactured with "bullet buttons." The proposal requires semi-automatic rifles sold in California to be built with magazines that can't be detached.

One sided assholery?

Since the San Bernardino Shooters bought their guns illegally, modified them illegally, acquired their magazines illegally and ultimately used them illegally, we obviously need new laws to make us safe.

Get your spot welders out to make your rifles CA compliant.