If I'm reading this right, a woman was shot and killed because she was nearby when the cops opened fire on a young, disturbed guy who was holding a baseball bat. The 19-year-old man was also killed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/27/us/ch ... tiny.html?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... story.html

Some PD's *really* need to step up on their training regimen and training ammo budgets. Oh, and reform the whole "officer liability" (or lack thereof) thing...a PD officer should be just as responsible for stray rounds as anyone else.

Apparently Chicago could cut their gun death rate significantly if the cops stop shooting.
A man armed with a bat can kill you as fast as a man armed with a fist or an AR. All are lethal.
I would wait for the investigation, but it is Chicago.

dougb wrote:Apparently Chicago could cut their gun death rate significantly if the cops stop shooting.
A man armed with a bat can kill you as fast as a man armed with a fist or an AR. All are lethal.
I would wait for the investigation, but it is Chicago.

No one disputes that but an unarmed 55 year old woman who just answers the door is no threat to anybody. Tasers mace and when they fail go to the gun.

eelj wrote:

dougb wrote:Apparently Chicago could cut their gun death rate significantly if the cops stop shooting.
A man armed with a bat can kill you as fast as a man armed with a fist or an AR. All are lethal.
I would wait for the investigation, but it is Chicago.

No one disputes that but an unarmed 55 year old woman who just answers the door is no threat to anybody. Tasers mace and when they fail go to the gun.

According the NYT story, it's possible she was shot accidentally.

I too will wait for some real facts before crying "murder".

Gave up trying to access the Tribune story after enduring 2 minutes of paywall. Hey, it's their site but this sort of shit is making the 'net not work for me.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/26/us/chicag ... -shooting/

Rahm Emanuel is the epitome of the corrupt mayor and should have long been brought up on charges for the cover up of police shootings. I think his political clout will keep him protected.

“He wasn’t just a thug on the street, he was an honor student in college and high school,” (Quintonio) LeGrier’s mother, Janet Cooksey, told WBBM-TV. “Seven bullets were put in my son. Seven.”

“Eight shots were fired,” she added tearfully. “One hit an innocent lady who was just opening her door. Something is wrong with this picture.”

This statement was also quoted in the Washington Post.

begemot wrote:

eelj wrote:

dougb wrote:Apparently Chicago could cut their gun death rate significantly if the cops stop shooting.
A man armed with a bat can kill you as fast as a man armed with a fist or an AR. All are lethal.
I would wait for the investigation, but it is Chicago.

No one disputes that but an unarmed 55 year old woman who just answers the door is no threat to anybody. Tasers mace and when they fail go to the gun.

According the NYT story, it's possible she was shot accidentally.

I too will wait for some real facts before crying "murder".

Funny how your " real facts" trend towards blaming the victim whenever a cop kills a black person.

comedian wrote:

begemot wrote:

eelj wrote:

dougb wrote:Apparently Chicago could cut their gun death rate significantly if the cops stop shooting.
A man armed with a bat can kill you as fast as a man armed with a fist or an AR. All are lethal.
I would wait for the investigation, but it is Chicago.

No one disputes that but an unarmed 55 year old woman who just answers the door is no threat to anybody. Tasers mace and when they fail go to the gun.

According the NYT story, it's possible she was shot accidentally.

I too will wait for some real facts before crying "murder".

Funny how your " real facts" trend towards blaming the victim whenever a cop kills a black person.

Sometimes, the victim is at fault. If you commit an illegal act, forcing police involvement, and then fight with the police until they feel their lives are at risk, you will probably wind up dead. Of course, the media will revel in the death while ignoring the illegal act that started the chain of events.

Surprisingly, most cops don't enjoy shooting people. Also surprisingly, most cops never discharge their weapons in the line of duty, even though their job description involves facing danger frequently.

comedian wrote:

begemot wrote:

eelj wrote:

dougb wrote:Apparently Chicago could cut their gun death rate significantly if the cops stop shooting.
A man armed with a bat can kill you as fast as a man armed with a fist or an AR. All are lethal.
I would wait for the investigation, but it is Chicago.

No one disputes that but an unarmed 55 year old woman who just answers the door is no threat to anybody. Tasers mace and when they fail go to the gun.

According the NYT story, it's possible she was shot accidentally.

I too will wait for some real facts before crying "murder".

Funny how your " real facts" trend towards blaming the victim whenever a cop kills a black person.

Isn't it, though? Much like "wait for facts" is immediately translated into "apologetics."

It's certainly not okay to make assumptions, favorable or unfavorable, about guilt or innocence based on race (we have a name for that - it's called "racism"), yet similar assumptions based on occupation seem to be just fine with some folks.

"But that's different!" Yeah, right.

SwampGrouch wrote:Isn't it, though? Much like "wait for facts" is immediately translated into "apologetics."

It's certainly not okay to make assumptions, favorable or unfavorable, about guilt or innocence based on race (we have a name for that - it's called "racism"), yet similar assumptions based on occupation seem to be just fine with some folks.

"But that's different!" Yeah, right.

You can choose your occupation and how you do your occupation. You can't choose your race.

TrueTexan wrote:

SwampGrouch wrote:Isn't it, though? Much like "wait for facts" is immediately translated into "apologetics."

It's certainly not okay to make assumptions, favorable or unfavorable, about guilt or innocence based on race (we have a name for that - it's called "racism"), yet similar assumptions based on occupation seem to be just fine with some folks.

"But that's different!" Yeah, right.

You can choose your occupation and how you do your occupation. You can't choose your race.

So this makes the prejudice (that is, prejudging) okay? I think not.

YOU chose how you respond to other people. If you damn the cops for doing it then do it yourself, you're a hypocrite, plain and simple.

If the shoe fits, wear it. (Due to high demand, the LGC Shoe Department may be out of stock on that particular style. We'll have more in soon.)

SwampGrouch wrote:

TrueTexan wrote:

SwampGrouch wrote:Isn't it, though? Much like "wait for facts" is immediately translated into "apologetics."

It's certainly not okay to make assumptions, favorable or unfavorable, about guilt or innocence based on race (we have a name for that - it's called "racism"), yet similar assumptions based on occupation seem to be just fine with some folks.

"But that's different!" Yeah, right.

You can choose your occupation and how you do your occupation. You can't choose your race.

So this makes the prejudice (that is, prejudging) okay? I think not.

YOU chose how you respond to other people. If you damn the cops for doing it then do it yourself, you're a hypocrite, plain and simple.

If the shoe fits, wear it. (Due to high demand, the LGC Shoe Department may be out of stock on that particular style. We'll have more in soon.)

This isn't about police in general, it's about Chicago police. You mentioned the differences between different departments in another thread. Chicago, New York, Albuquerque among others have come under the microscope for a few years now. I have seen rampant racism in the different PDs and county sheriffs departments in my home state for years. You should see what it's like being Native American and living in Carlton county Mn.

CNN reported the bullet passed through the neighbor's door and hit her on the other side. So she may have been in line of shot but not line of sight.

They also mentioned the officer was on the front lawn while bat man was on the porch.