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Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:58 am
by SwampGrouch
I'm not convinced about Wasserman Schultz's narrative. This whole thing sounds like a typical admin response to a tech savvy person finding a security issue. Instead of fixing it, punish the person who reported it, especially if it presents a political opportunity.

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 12:18 pm
by Merkwuerdigliebe
Well they just announced 4 hours ago that they settled the dust up and Sanders has access again. With the RNC eating their own and close to starting human sacrifices, I wonder if the Democrats will manage to screw things up again.

I've resigned myself to Clinton redux, but she really is not the best this country can manage. The thought of the next 4-8 years of Hillary fighting with the Republicans makes me feel ill. On Election Day, the Republicans should just establish the Permanent Select Committee for Endless Investigations and Hillary ought to put Brendan Sullivan on permanent retainer.

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 1:05 pm
by senorgrand
The DNC has it in the bag for Clinton. If they screw up one more time, you can count on a number of Bernie supporters staying home on election day.

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 1:29 pm
by KnightsFan
It will be interesting to see how they react after the New Hampshire primary and the Iowa caucuses. If Hillary's doing bad we can expect a lot more of these "punishments," to happen.

But I doubt Bernie supporters will stay home regardless. They seem to be more invested in the process than a lot of the Clintonites.

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:08 pm
by PiratePenguin
DispositionMatrix wrote: The Party never wanted him. The DNC and its media surrogates have always been in the tank for Hillary. Now they want Sanders out.
That's why I don't believe it when people say "There's no chance for Sanders to get the Dem nomination". It's pretty clear that Clinton and allies are taking him seriously as a threat.

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:01 am
by comedian
Considering the dirty tricks played by Wasserman- Schultz and the DNC I found the official motto of the 3rd Democratic debate - Your Voice, Your Vote- to be especially ironic.

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2015 11:04 am
by lurker
between clinton and sanders, bernie is the bigger man. a 4-way race could be the best (or the worst) thing for the republic since douglas/breckinridge/bell/lincoln. i see a referendum on the future of democracy and the authoritarian state.

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:45 pm
by KnightsFan
A four way race between Clinton, Sanders, Rubio/Cruz and Trump would make 2016 very stressful indeed. Especially since I doubt a candidate would win a majority of the electoral college.

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2015 3:20 pm
by TrueTexan
KnightsFan wrote:A four way race between Clinton, Sanders, Rubio/Cruz and Trump would make 2016 very stressful indeed. Especially since I doubt a candidate would win a majority of the electoral college.
That would throw it into the House of Representatives. You cab bet it would then go to Rubio/Cruz even if they had the lowest vote count.

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:17 am
by beto
Given the.DNC is a branch of the Clinton campaign and this is the second time a "window" has opened, it might be fishing to get theSanders campaign to bite and this time they did. Bernie scares the hell out of them and threatens to derail the coronation.

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:52 am
by sikacz
beto wrote:Given the.DNC is a branch of the Clinton campaign and this is the second time a "window" has opened, it might be fishing to get theSanders campaign to bite and this time they did. Bernie scares the hell out of them and threatens to derail the coronation.
Yes, I would be surprised if the Clinton crew orchestrated the "leak".

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:00 am
by Wurble
TrueTexan wrote:
KnightsFan wrote:A four way race between Clinton, Sanders, Rubio/Cruz and Trump would make 2016 very stressful indeed. Especially since I doubt a candidate would win a majority of the electoral college.
That would throw it into the House of Representatives. You cab bet it would then go to Rubio/Cruz even if they had the lowest vote count.
If that happened. I'd be very scared. Honestly, it might spark something close to civil war.

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:30 am
by CDFingers
As long as they stay civil, the debate inside the Democratic Party will be good.

Clinton took the gold ring with "May the Force be with you."

If Sanders does not get the nom, I'll vote Green.

Clinton should select Sanders as her VP. That would take the prize to the max. Hence, the need for civility now.

CDFingers

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:15 pm
by Wurble
CDFingers wrote:As long as they stay civil, the debate inside the Democratic Party will be good.

Clinton took the gold ring with "May the Force be with you."

If Sanders does not get the nom, I'll vote Green.

Clinton should select Sanders as her VP. That would take the prize to the max. Hence, the need for civility now.

CDFingers
Clinton/Sanders ticket I would not hesitate to vote for.

The VP has very few REAL powers, but one of them is the bully pulpit. Sanders would do great things with that position.

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:47 pm
by senorgrand
A similar thing happened when TR was sellected as VP...it was meant to keep him under wraps by a party that didn't like him much.

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:16 pm
by lurker
i've been watching for some media discussion of the actual debate, and there's nothing. closest i've seen is yahoo's 12 pics of the candidates, and hillary appears in 11 of them. the media (all of it) is trying to pretend bernie sanders doesn't exist. this is starting to tick me off. there's little or nothing democratic about the "democratic" party.

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:13 pm
by TrueTexan
lurker wrote:i've been watching for some media discussion of the actual debate, and there's nothing. closest i've seen is yahoo's 12 pics of the candidates, and hillary appears in 11 of them. the media (all of it) is trying to pretend bernie sanders doesn't exist. this is starting to tick me off. there's little or nothing democratic about the "democratic" party.
MSM =Bernie who?

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:34 pm
by Wurble
senorgrand wrote:A similar thing happened when TR was sellected as VP...it was meant to keep him under wraps by a party that didn't like him much.
Him and McKinley were both trust busters. But TR was FAR more progressive for sure.

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 5:08 pm
by begemot
I don't see the big issue. A few flunkies snooped around in a digital equivalent of an open diary on the bed for 30 minutes. There's no nefarious conspiracy. I'd take a much closer look at the authoritarian, corrupt, gun grabbing, drug warrior in charge of the DNC.

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:07 pm
by sikacz
With all these DNC issues and supporter lists someone has been cheating! Received this. I've not given to or joined her campaign.
Juha --

Welcome, and thank you for being a member of Hillary for America.

I can’t tell you how much it means to me to know that you’re with us. With your support, we’re going to grow this organization even faster and even smarter -- that means building new tools to communicate with supporters and hiring organizers who will knock on doors and make phone calls to earn each and every American’s vote.

Now will you chip in $1 or more to support this work?

This campaign isn’t about me. It’s about everyday Americans -- hard workers, problem solvers, and goal-reachers. Americans deserve a raise, and an economy that puts people first.

You need someone willing to fight for you. I want to be that fighter.

This team is growing every single day, and I’m thrilled for each and every American who joins our campaign. Together, we can work toward the America that we believe in -- where everyone has the opportunity to get ahead and stay ahead.

Again, I want to thank you for your support. Taking this campaign all the way -- and defending ourselves against baseless attacks -- is going to mean everyone chipping in what they can, when they can. If you’re with me, will you donate $1 right now and become an official donor to this campaign?

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/donate/

You’ll hear from the campaign again soon, so keep an eye out for important updates. And thank you again. I’m so glad that you’re here.

Hillary
Feel like writing her about her position on the 2nd. Grrrr. :roflmao:

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:13 am
by modernhamlet
Literally NOTHING in that email was substantive or specific to her as a candidate. Barf.

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:38 am
by sikacz
modernhamlet wrote:Literally NOTHING in that email was substantive or specific to her as a candidate. Barf.
What's even more my concern since the DNC seems to think lists have owners is that the last contribution I made was during the President's last campaign. And I've only gone to Bernie's campaign and put myself on his mailing list.

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:43 pm
by Coach
KnightsFan wrote:A four way race between Clinton, Sanders, Rubio/Cruz and Trump would make 2016 very stressful indeed. Especially since I doubt a candidate would win a majority of the electoral college.
Not to mention the prediction of some pundits of a banner year for third party candidates. The LP and the Greens could conceivably throw monkey wrenches into more than one race.

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 8:56 am
by Wurble
sikacz wrote:
modernhamlet wrote:Literally NOTHING in that email was substantive or specific to her as a candidate. Barf.
What's even more my concern since the DNC seems to think lists have owners is that the last contribution I made was during the President's last campaign. And I've only gone to Bernie's campaign and put myself on his mailing list.
When the firewall dropped, the access went BOTH ways. Clinton's people could access Bernie's data just as easily as Bernie's people could access Clinton's.

Who wants to bet that Clinton's people drained Bernie's entire database and put it on a backup somewhere secret?

Re: Sanders campaign DNC suspension

Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 9:20 am
by sikacz
Wurble wrote:
sikacz wrote:
modernhamlet wrote:Literally NOTHING in that email was substantive or specific to her as a candidate. Barf.
What's even more my concern since the DNC seems to think lists have owners is that the last contribution I made was during the President's last campaign. And I've only gone to Bernie's campaign and put myself on his mailing list.
When the firewall dropped, the access went BOTH ways. Clinton's people could access Bernie's data just as easily as Bernie's people could access Clinton's.

Who wants to bet that Clinton's people drained Bernie's entire database and put it on a backup somewhere secret?
That was my though too.