The Liberal Gun Club Forum

http://www.dallascitynews.net/opencarry

I can't imagine this going without issues.

I thought it was safe to assume everyone in Texas was carrying a gun until proven otherwise. I had neighbors from the Waco area who had one in the glovebox and one under the driver's seat of their car. Plus 2 nightstand revolvers. They moved back to Texas because Kansas was too liberal.

I just assumed everyone down there had a gun on them whether they show it or not.

Citizens are urged to call 911 only when encountering a person who is in clear violation of House Bill 910. Violations can include:

* Removal of the gun from a secured holster
* When a gun holder seems intoxicated
* When the gun holder is obviously committing a crime or acting in a reckless or suspicious manner.

Does "carrying while non-white" count?

Hopefully, most people will have enough sense to not open carry.

Yes, there are loads of guns out of sight. I wonder if being able to see the gun turns neutral situations into challenges, crime in progress, armed non-white, and other serious issues. Time will tell.

Open Carry no-nos from the DPD site:
Removal of the gun from a secured holster
When a gun holder seems intoxicated
When the gun holder is obviously committing a crime or acting in a reckless or suspicious manner.

Bloomberg's minions and LGC members may get their hackles up, but most people in Dallas are not going to be walking around with hip holsters. It is a good thing, too, because those opencarry911 instructions would lead to havoc.

ArmedAndLiberal wrote:Bloomberg's minions and LGC members may get their hackles up, but most people in Dallas are not going to be walking around with hip holsters. It is a good thing, too, because those opencarry911 instructions would lead to havoc.

Don't you mean "some LGC"? My hackles won't be up.

No he means to paint the group with that brush. He's cute that way.

Inquisitor wrote:No he means to paint the group with that brush. He's cute that way.

A few too many brushes lately.

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2015/12 ... -gun.html/

Dallas transportation has simplified their outlook: “If it’s in a holster, you can almost assume it’s going to be legal,” and the person is licensed, Ball said.

My hackles won't be up until the 2A mob starts calling for insurrection from the "Police State" because someone Open Carrying is killed after being perceived as a threat. Or even treated roughly by Police. You know it's going to happen. It has to, otherwise a criminal need simply holster their weapon before the Police get there since being holstered seems to be purported as the Get Out Of Jail Free card.

Carrying in general entails a number of responsibilities and also an acceptance of some degree of risk.

Simmer down wrote:http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2015/12 ... -gun.html/

Dallas transportation has simplified their outlook: “If it’s in a holster, you can almost assume it’s going to be legal,” and the person is licensed, Ball said.

Makes sense. Someone doing nothing to endanger should not automatically be perceived as a threat.

DispositionMatrix wrote:

Simmer down wrote:http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2015/12 ... -gun.html/

Dallas transportation has simplified their outlook: “If it’s in a holster, you can almost assume it’s going to be legal,” and the person is licensed, Ball said.

Makes sense. Someone doing nothing to endanger should not automatically be perceived as a threat.

Agreed. It's good the police are at least trying to tell people not to panic.

sikacz wrote:

DispositionMatrix wrote:

Simmer down wrote:http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2015/12 ... -gun.html/

Dallas transportation has simplified their outlook: “If it’s in a holster, you can almost assume it’s going to be legal,” and the person is licensed, Ball said.

Makes sense. Someone doing nothing to endanger should not automatically be perceived as a threat.

Agreed. It's good the police are at least trying to tell people not to panic.

It won't work. Disarmament enthusiasts will not pass on opportunities to try to get carriers killed by the police and generally create as much drama as possible.

Didn't say anything about the anti-gun enthusiasts not doing stupid things in the name of public safety. I'm just glad the police in Dallas is putting it out. Frankly the DPS should put out a statement. Houston has said very little on the subject. If they have I have not noticed.

Simmer down wrote:http://www.dallascitynews.net/opencarry

I can't imagine this going without issues.

The License to Carry in Indiana allows open carry and the only 'issue' is with people calling police for 'man with a gun' which they have to check out.

Merkwuerdigliebe wrote:... otherwise a criminal need simply holster their weapon before the Police get there since being holstered seems to be purported as the Get Out Of Jail Free card...

I would think others at the scene of the crime would readily point out the perpetrator so I don't think holstering will be much help. Most criminals are repeat offenders so they will still be committing a crime by carrying and open carry would bring unwanted attention to them.

I remember as a kid in the late 80 's or early 90's we lived south of Dallas in Cedar Hill Texas. Concealed carry was just being legalized, I was starting Jr high school. I had a social studies teacher who was a very progressive feller, he would start in on these diatribes whiles foaming at the mouth about how it would be nothing but shoot outs & blood in the school hallways. All because of concealed carry. I can only remember one shooting ever being reported on the news . All the anti-gun fear mongers were wrong. Yes I was only a kid at the time & I can't possibly be able to remember everything from the, but that stuck with me through the years.

We have open carry here in Missouri. There are a lot of municipalities where you still can't though. In Springfield, I see maybe a dozen people a year who do, & that is with having a metric shit ton of anti-goverment hillbillies around here. The simple fact of it, is that the large majority of people just aren't comfortable with carrying in the open. People don't want the looks or the questions, or the Hassel of the police. Those who want to carry will by and large get the ccw permit. This is south Missouri though & people act alot different than in Dallas or Houston. I can't even stand going to visit family in Fort Worth anymore. To many people.

Note: I have alot of respect for that teacher. For bucking the trend of conservative teaching during the high point of the Kay Bailey Hutchinson political era. I learned a lot from her. Independent thought formost amongst them.

Just for perspective as of December 2014 there was under 830,000 concealed handgun licenses in the state of Texas. https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/r ... aphics.htm Will see a new update next year for 2015. The state of Texas has a population near 27,700,000 (rounded slightly up). Rough math says about 3 percent of Texans have concealed handgun licences. Considering that a concealed handgun license is required to open carry I don't predict seeing many open carry people. Also as an aside 2013 reports indicated holders were generally much older than the minimum requirement of 21 years old.

DispositionMatrix wrote:
Makes sense. Someone doing nothing to endanger should not automatically be perceived as a threat.

When you remove individuals and their unique combination of experiences and perceptions there isn't a problem. But, that's the root of the debate and the basis of all debate on this topic.

DispositionMatrix wrote:

sikacz wrote:

DispositionMatrix wrote:

Simmer down wrote:http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2015/12 ... -gun.html/

Dallas transportation has simplified their outlook: “If it’s in a holster, you can almost assume it’s going to be legal,” and the person is licensed, Ball said.

Makes sense. Someone doing nothing to endanger should not automatically be perceived as a threat.

Agreed. It's good the police are at least trying to tell people not to panic.

It won't work. Disarmament enthusiasts will not pass on opportunities to try to get carriers killed by the police and generally create as much drama as possible.

Guess it's time to pack it up and go home. We can do nothing. We are all doomed.

I feel better for saying that.

Proactive law enforcement is a good thing. Let's hope it sticks. Be interesting to see how the next 6 months goes. I predict a couple of outliers, people calling false alarms, probably a theft or two of an openly carried gun, otherwise a bunch of nothing.

Considering how low the license numbers are I don't expect much either.